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Sun, October 3, 2021, 6:09 AM
A few skeptical U.S. hospital workers choose dismissal over vaccine

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Jennifer Bridges

Jennifer Bridges loved her job as a nurse at Houston Methodist Hospital, where she worked for eight years, but she chose to get fired rather than inoculated against COVID-19, believing that the vaccine was more of a threat than the deadly virus.

"I have never felt so strong about anything," said Bridges, 39, who lives in Houston. She was terminated from her $70,000 per year post on June 21, the deadline for employees to get a jab. "I did not feel there was proper research in this shot. It had been developed very quickly."

For Bridges, the high demand for nurses meant she could refuse the shot without sacrificing financial security. On the same day she was fired by Methodist, she started training for her next job at a private nursing company that has no vaccine mandate.

Nurse Katie Yarber also found a job after leaving Houston Methodist but only after going 12 weeks without a paycheck and depleting "a big chunk" of her savings. Still, she said she does not regret her decision to depart after 14 years of service.

Yarber, 35, said she would not get the vaccine because of her religious convictions, a stance that the hospital rejected. She is also wary of possible long-term side effects.

Yarber, who said she has already had COVID, is now a work-from-home nurse case manager. She had a brief stint at Texas Children's Hospital but that ended when it too required vaccinations.

Carolyn Euart is one of about 175 workers dismissed last Monday after refusing vaccinations at Novant Health, a North Carolina hospital network. She is now considering a new career.

With 24 years as a patient services coordinator, Euart, 56, had planned to retire from Novant, but is now exploring opening a dessert restaurant and sweet shop.

After battling cancer since 2008, she felt the risk of a vaccine was greater than COVID, which four of her family members have had.

"I needed the job, but I didn't think that my job was worth my life," she said.

In upstate New York, Andrew Kurtyko said he is ready to be fired from his $90,000 nursing job at Mount St. Mary's Hospital in Lewiston for refusing the shot. He knows he could earn more by working as a "travel nurse," taking temporary jobs around the country.

"Certainly with my years of experience, I'm pretty marketable," said Kurtyko, 47, a divorced father of a college student who has a mortgage to pay.

Like some other medical workers, Kurtyko questions the efficacy and safety of the vaccines. He is also seeking a religious exemption from the Catholic Hospital. If he is denied, he expects to lose his job on Oct. 12.

Bob Nevens, 47, Houston Methodist's top risk manager for 10 years, also prefers to take his chances with COVID over a vaccine. As a consequence, he became one of the country's first workplace mandate casualties in April.

Besides a lack of long-term data, Nevens said he refused Methodist's mandate because it did not acknowledge "natural immunity" for those who had already contracted COVID and because vaccine manufacturers are shielded from liability.

"Financially, I'm fine," he said. "Mentally, it's exhausting, because I didn't want to make that decision. I had planned on retiring from Houston Methodist."
 
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I think many people have "Covid-19 Fatigue". They may have had the vaccine, or had Covid-19, and are ready to move forward with their lives.
Do You Have COVID-19 Caution Fatigue?
I have anti-vax/anti-mask fatigue. Just really very over that whole line of thinking.

What's been interesting this weekend, though, is that in my very rural redneck neck of the woods, I've been seeing people masked everywhere in stores. The farm store yesterday - very busy place on a Saturday and not even a nose poking out. Peoplewere wearinggood masks, too - none of this neck gator bull. Grocery store in tiny farm town last night, same thing. Dudes buying their Saturday night beer in bib overalls and N-95 masks. It's been kind of shocking, actually. I hope the trend continues. (Other side of the Mississippi is a whole different story, though, even in doctors offices. Currently avoiding Iowa like the plague it has become.)
 
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I think it is interesting finding out why people, especially in health care and "people jobs" refuse Covid vaccination. Which is why I post articles like these.

A healthcare worker who was just fired for refusing the COVID-19 shot says she wouldn't get it even if God said 'you must take this vaccine'
Sun, October 3, 2021, 4:56 PM
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Karen Roses was fired from a New York hospital for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine. Courtesy of Karen Roses.

Karen Roses worked at Peconic Bay Medical Center in Riverhead, New York for over three years as a patient care technician. She said the pandemic has been exhausting, leaving medical personnel burnt out and hospitals understaffed. Then came the vaccination mandate.

"They come out with the mandate, and they just basically threw us under the bus.," Roses, 64, said about healthcare workers. She called the hospital "callous" for terminating employees while disregarding how long they had been employed with the hospital or whether they were seeking medical or religious exemptions to the vaccine.

Roses said unvaccinated healthcare workers are being singled out and blamed for the ongoing pandemic, despite early suggestions that vaccinated people can spread the coronavirus as well.

Roses said vaccination mandates - which have rolled out nationally for healthcare facilities and businesses - are "taking away a freedom of choice" from the people affected by them. Roses added that she is not anti-vaccine and has taken other vaccines in the past.

"I don't feel safe in my own country anymore, and that's really what I think is my strongest feeling," Roses said. "Now I feel like a target."

Roses said she won't get the vaccine because it feels "rushed" and "forced," and it doesn't guarantee that she won't get coronavirus or spread it to others.
 
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I have anti-vax/anti-mask fatigue. Just really very over that whole line of thinking.

What's been interesting this weekend, though, is that in my very rural redneck neck of the woods, I've been seeing people masked everywhere in stores. The farm store yesterday - very busy place on a Saturday and not even a nose poking out. Peoplewere wearinggood masks, too - none of this neck gator bull. Grocery store in tiny farm town last night, same thing. Dudes buying their Saturday night beer in bib overalls and N-95 masks. It's been kind of shocking, actually. I hope the trend continues. (Other side of the Mississippi is a whole different story, though, even in doctors offices. Currently avoiding Iowa like the plague it has become.)

My city = no masks. You would think it would be the other way around!

That your rual area would show less masking and my city more.

Hummm......
 
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Incident - Incident Reports - News & Data - Madison Police Department - City of Madison, Wisconsin

Police Incident Reports A Selection of Noteworthy Incident Reports
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Incident Report for Case #2021-394759

Incident Type
Disturbance

Incident Date
10/01/2021 - 2:14 AM

Address
100 block of State St

Arrested
Abel Mosqueda, 20-year-old.

Details
Madison Police Officers responded to the 100 block of State St for a disturbance. The suspect got into a verbal argument with other patrons when the suspect refused to mask up upon entering the business.

The suspect was asked to leave by the manager of the business due to the unruly nature and no mask, the suspect responded by punching the manager in the face. The suspect then went outside and punched out an 8x8 window.

The suspect left but was later contacted by officers and taken into custody. The suspect was taken to the hospital for a medical clearance due to a hand injury and then booked into the Dane County Jail for the tentative charges of battery and disorderly conduct.
 
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I'm so impatient. I check my town and state vaccination rates every morning and it seems to go up ever so slowly...

My state of New South Wales. 88.1% have had their first shot.

67.1% have had both shots.

This is like watching water boil :) But I just can't help myself :)
 
  • #147
I'm so impatient. I check my town and state vaccination rates every morning and it seems to go up ever so slowly...

My state of New South Wales. 88.1% have had their first shot.

67.1% have had both shots.

This is like watching water boil :) But I just can't help myself :)

88.1% Higher than any US State for partial vaccination:

These are the states with the highest partial vaccination rates:

  1. Vermont (78%)
  2. Massachusetts (77%)
  3. Hawaii (77%)
  4. Connecticut (76%)
  5. Rhode Island (75%)
  6. Maine (74%)
  7. New Mexico (72%)
  8. New Jersey (72%)
  9. Pennsylvania (72%)
  10. California (72%)
 
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I'm so impatient. I check my town and state vaccination rates every morning and it seems to go up ever so slowly...

My state of New South Wales. 88.1% have had their first shot.

67.1% have had both shots.

This is like watching water boil :) But I just can't help myself :)

Me, too. I have had to force myself to stop looking every day ... because nothing miraculous is going to happen overnight.

But the whole country is doing really well. 79.6% at least first dose, 56.9% fully vaxxed.

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...-19-vaccine-rollout-update-4-october-2021.pdf

It is probable we will reach our country-wide 15th November goal of 80% fully vaxxed - once all of those 79.6% have their 2nd shot.

The stats are a little skewed though, because the states (like mine, and WA, Qld, NT) who haven't been having outbreaks are lagging a little behind as we are not getting the volume of vaccines that the outbreak states are getting.

Though it just means we'll keep our state border restrictions in place for longer, till we can catch up to the 80% fully vaxxed rate. So our hospitals don't become overwhelmed.
 
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I think it is interesting finding out why people, especially in health care and "people jobs" refuse Covid vaccination. Which is why I post articles like these.

A healthcare worker who was just fired for refusing the COVID-19 shot says she wouldn't get it even if God said 'you must take this vaccine'
Sun, October 3, 2021, 4:56 PM
d2b99cd133ad9a5c3ed1abc7f2134ddc

Karen Roses was fired from a New York hospital for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine. Courtesy of Karen Roses.

Karen Roses worked at Peconic Bay Medical Center in Riverhead, New York for over three years as a patient care technician. She said the pandemic has been exhausting, leaving medical personnel burnt out and hospitals understaffed. Then came the vaccination mandate.

"They come out with the mandate, and they just basically threw us under the bus.," Roses, 64, said about healthcare workers. She called the hospital "callous" for terminating employees while disregarding how long they had been employed with the hospital or whether they were seeking medical or religious exemptions to the vaccine.

Roses said unvaccinated healthcare workers are being singled out and blamed for the ongoing pandemic, despite early suggestions that vaccinated people can spread the coronavirus as well.

Roses said vaccination mandates - which have rolled out nationally for healthcare facilities and businesses - are "taking away a freedom of choice" from the people affected by them. Roses added that she is not anti-vaccine and has taken other vaccines in the past.

"I don't feel safe in my own country anymore, and that's really what I think is my strongest feeling," Roses said. "Now I feel like a target."

Roses said she won't get the vaccine because it feels "rushed" and "forced," and it doesn't guarantee that she won't get coronavirus or spread it to others.

Cognitive dissonance? Doctors are some of the smartest people around and they are skilled at preventing, diagnosing and treating illness; one out of every 500 Americans has died of covid; vaccines prevent covid deaths; I will not be vaccinated even if God tells me to; I work as a patient care technician in a health care facility.

It's truly a marvel that the mind can reconcile such mental gymnastics.
 
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A healthcare worker who was just fired for refusing the COVID-19 shot says she wouldn't get it even if God said 'you must take this vaccine'
Sun, October 3, 2021, 4:56 PM
d2b99cd133ad9a5c3ed1abc7f2134ddc

Karen Roses was fired from a New York hospital for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine. Courtesy of Karen Roses.

Karen Roses worked at Peconic Bay Medical Center in Riverhead, New York for over three years as a patient care technician. She said the pandemic has been exhausting, leaving medical personnel burnt out and hospitals understaffed. Then came the vaccination mandate.

"They come out with the mandate, and they just basically threw us under the bus.," Roses, 64, said about healthcare workers. She called the hospital "callous" for terminating employees while disregarding how long they had been employed with the hospital or whether they were seeking medical or religious exemptions to the vaccine.

Roses said unvaccinated healthcare workers are being singled out and blamed for the ongoing pandemic, despite early suggestions that vaccinated people can spread the coronavirus as well.

Roses said vaccination mandates - which have rolled out nationally for healthcare facilities and businesses - are "taking away a freedom of choice" from the people affected by them. Roses added that she is not anti-vaccine and has taken other vaccines in the past.

"I don't feel safe in my own country anymore, and that's really what I think is my strongest feeling," Roses said. "Now I feel like a target."

Roses said she won't get the vaccine because it feels "rushed" and "forced," and it doesn't guarantee that she won't get coronavirus or spread it to others.
Sun, October 3, 2021, 6:09 AM
A few skeptical U.S. hospital workers choose dismissal over vaccine

b47cef1830acd1b8beb601cbc5f25546

Jennifer Bridges

Jennifer Bridges loved her job as a nurse at Houston Methodist Hospital, where she worked for eight years, but she chose to get fired rather than inoculated against COVID-19, believing that the vaccine was more of a threat than the deadly virus.

"I have never felt so strong about anything," said Bridges, 39, who lives in Houston. She was terminated from her $70,000 per year post on June 21, the deadline for employees to get a jab. "I did not feel there was proper research in this shot. It had been developed very quickly."

For Bridges, the high demand for nurses meant she could refuse the shot without sacrificing financial security. On the same day she was fired by Methodist, she started training for her next job at a private nursing company that has no vaccine mandate.

Nurse Katie Yarber also found a job after leaving Houston Methodist but only after going 12 weeks without a paycheck and depleting "a big chunk" of her savings. Still, she said she does not regret her decision to depart after 14 years of service.

Yarber, 35, said she would not get the vaccine because of her religious convictions, a stance that the hospital rejected. She is also wary of possible long-term side effects.

Yarber, who said she has already had COVID, is now a work-from-home nurse case manager. She had a brief stint at Texas Children's Hospital but that ended when it too required vaccinations.

Carolyn Euart is one of about 175 workers dismissed last Monday after refusing vaccinations at Novant Health, a North Carolina hospital network. She is now considering a new career.

With 24 years as a patient services coordinator, Euart, 56, had planned to retire from Novant, but is now exploring opening a dessert restaurant and sweet shop.

After battling cancer since 2008, she felt the risk of a vaccine was greater than COVID, which four of her family members have had.

"I needed the job, but I didn't think that my job was worth my life," she said.

In upstate New York, Andrew Kurtyko said he is ready to be fired from his $90,000 nursing job at Mount St. Mary's Hospital in Lewiston for refusing the shot. He knows he could earn more by working as a "travel nurse," taking temporary jobs around the country.

"Certainly with my years of experience, I'm pretty marketable," said Kurtyko, 47, a divorced father of a college student who has a mortgage to pay.

Like some other medical workers, Kurtyko questions the efficacy and safety of the vaccines. He is also seeking a religious exemption from the Catholic Hospital. If he is denied, he expects to lose his job on Oct. 12.

Bob Nevens, 47, Houston Methodist's top risk manager for 10 years, also prefers to take his chances with COVID over a vaccine. As a consequence, he became one of the country's first workplace mandate casualties in April.

Besides a lack of long-term data, Nevens said he refused Methodist's mandate because it did not acknowledge "natural immunity" for those who had already contracted COVID and because vaccine manufacturers are shielded from liability.

"Financially, I'm fine," he said. "Mentally, it's exhausting, because I didn't want to make that decision. I had planned on retiring from Houston Methodist."
Sun, October 3, 2021, 6:09 AM
A few skeptical U.S. hospital workers choose dismissal over vaccine

b47cef1830acd1b8beb601cbc5f25546

Jennifer Bridges

Jennifer Bridges loved her job as a nurse at Houston Methodist Hospital, where she worked for eight years, but she chose to get fired rather than inoculated against COVID-19, believing that the vaccine was more of a threat than the deadly virus.

"I have never felt so strong about anything," said Bridges, 39, who lives in Houston. She was terminated from her $70,000 per year post on June 21, the deadline for employees to get a jab. "I did not feel there was proper research in this shot. It had been developed very quickly."

For Bridges, the high demand for nurses meant she could refuse the shot without sacrificing financial security. On the same day she was fired by Methodist, she started training for her next job at a private nursing company that has no vaccine mandate.

Nurse Katie Yarber also found a job after leaving Houston Methodist but only after going 12 weeks without a paycheck and depleting "a big chunk" of her savings. Still, she said she does not regret her decision to depart after 14 years of service.

Yarber, 35, said she would not get the vaccine because of her religious convictions, a stance that the hospital rejected. She is also wary of possible long-term side effects.

Yarber, who said she has already had COVID, is now a work-from-home nurse case manager. She had a brief stint at Texas Children's Hospital but that ended when it too required vaccinations.

Carolyn Euart is one of about 175 workers dismissed last Monday after refusing vaccinations at Novant Health, a North Carolina hospital network. She is now considering a new career.

With 24 years as a patient services coordinator, Euart, 56, had planned to retire from Novant, but is now exploring opening a dessert restaurant and sweet shop.

After battling cancer since 2008, she felt the risk of a vaccine was greater than COVID, which four of her family members have had.

"I needed the job, but I didn't think that my job was worth my life," she said.

In upstate New York, Andrew Kurtyko said he is ready to be fired from his $90,000 nursing job at Mount St. Mary's Hospital in Lewiston for refusing the shot. He knows he could earn more by working as a "travel nurse," taking temporary jobs around the country.

"Certainly with my years of experience, I'm pretty marketable," said Kurtyko, 47, a divorced father of a college student who has a mortgage to pay.

Like some other medical workers, Kurtyko questions the efficacy and safety of the vaccines. He is also seeking a religious exemption from the Catholic Hospital. If he is denied, he expects to lose his job on Oct. 12.

Bob Nevens, 47, Houston Methodist's top risk manager for 10 years, also prefers to take his chances with COVID over a vaccine. As a consequence, he became one of the country's first workplace mandate casualties in April.

Besides a lack of long-term data, Nevens said he refused Methodist's mandate because it did not acknowledge "natural immunity" for those who had already contracted COVID and because vaccine manufacturers are shielded from liability.

"Financially, I'm fine," he said. "Mentally, it's exhausting, because I didn't want to make that decision. I had planned on retiring from Houston Methodist."

In my opinion, when your job is to care for sick people, you have a duty to do everything to help them get better and certainly not to put those vulnerable patients at risk of harm. If that means getting a vaccine, then that is what you do---- certainly there are fears about a new type of vaccine-- but if you are a conscientious caring intelligent person you have an obligation to do some research and if you did that you would know this vaccine was not rushed- the technology was developed at least a decade ago---then you tell yourself I may have concerns but I have a responsibility to my patients not to expose them to a potentially deadly virus. I am sure these nurses got a flu vaccine without so much as a whimper. If a nurse cannot get past those concerns, then by all means find a new profession because you know what? I don't want you anywhere near me or people I care about and you should be ashamed of yourselves because if not for a mandate you would actually continue to do patient care unvaccinated in a pandemic!!!! You (generic you) actually disgust me.
 
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88.1% Higher than any US State for partial vaccination:

These are the states with the highest partial vaccination rates:

  1. Vermont (78%)
  2. Massachusetts (77%)
  3. Hawaii (77%)
  4. Connecticut (76%)
  5. Rhode Island (75%)
  6. Maine (74%)
  7. New Mexico (72%)
  8. New Jersey (72%)
  9. Pennsylvania (72%)
  10. California (72%)

I think your vaccination percentages are of the whole population of each state? Including all children? (Not sure)

Our vaccination percentages are of people 16 years and older, at the moment.

So it could be kinda like comparing oranges with mandarins. Similar but not the same.


(We have about 5 million children under 16 (about 19% of the country) - but we are vaccinating 12-15 year olds which we (public) have no idea of their vax rate.)
 
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I was thinking that too. Ours is or was 16 and over.

Not sure if the over 12's have been added to the count ? I have heard their vaccination rate is booming.

I think your vaccination percentages are of the whole population of each state? Including all children? (Not sure)
 
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I think your vaccination percentages are of the whole population of each state? Including all children? (Not sure)

Our vaccination percentages are of people 16 years and older, at the moment.

So it could be kinda like comparing oranges with mandarins. Similar but not the same.


(We have about 5 million children under 16 (about 19% of the country) - but we are vaccinating 12-15 year olds which we (public) have no idea of their vax rate.)

Why is that rate kept private?
 
  • #157
I was thinking that too. Ours is or was 16 and over.

Not sure if the over 12's have been added to the count ? I have heard their vaccination rate is booming.
We are seeing here the result of youngsters not being vaccinated, as schools returned in September. Our schools are being severely impacted again, with kids off. In turn of course it is spreading outwards again first to parents (and I have cases in my work of double jabbed parents being positive and quite unwell).

Our school vaccine rollout should be underway within weeks but I can understand parents of younger kids having a dilemma of sorts, weighing up the risks. I dont think the vaccine take up rate for kids will be as high as for adults, for that reason.
 
  • #158
Why is that rate kept private?

I am not sure that it is intentional. We have only recently started vaccinating 12-15 year olds (started on 13th Sept). It could be just a case of having not updated the public report formats.

Some info is being reported in MSM, so the figures must be available somewhere - I just have yet to see them in the summary (overall percentage for the country) federal govt public report.



NSW schools will reopen a week earlier than planned ... with 44.5 per cent of 12 to 15- year-olds receiving their first jab.

More than 40 per cent of young Victorians aged 12 to 15 have had their first vaccine dose, Daniel Andrews has confirmed.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...ive-coverage/3c68294e70a75ecaf24a3d164aca3765
Monday, October 4, 2021


They are included in the doses by age and sex section of the federal reporting.

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https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...-19-vaccine-rollout-update-4-october-2021.pdf
 
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I am not sure that it is intentional. We have only recently started vaccinating 12-15 year olds (started on 13th Sept). It could be just a case of having not updated the public report formats.

Some info is being reported in MSM, so the figures must be available somewhere - I just have yet to see them in the summary (overall percentage for the country) federal govt public report.



NSW schools will reopen a week earlier than planned ... with 44.5 per cent of 12 to 15- year-olds receiving their first jab.

More than 40 per cent of young Victorians aged 12 to 15 have had their first vaccine dose, Daniel Andrews has confirmed.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...ive-coverage/3c68294e70a75ecaf24a3d164aca3765
Monday, October 4, 2021


They are included in the doses by age and sex section of the federal reporting.

View attachment 315966
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...-19-vaccine-rollout-update-4-october-2021.pdf

One of the odd things about the way our covid cases are being recorded, is that the gender of the person is "not specified" if the individual is in the age group 0-19. I'm not sure why, nor if that information is gathered, but not reported.
 
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I am not sure that it is intentional. We have only recently started vaccinating 12-15 year olds (started on 13th Sept). It could be just a case of having not updated the public report formats.

Some info is being reported in MSM, so the figures must be available somewhere - I just have yet to see them in the summary (overall percentage for the country) federal govt public report.



NSW schools will reopen a week earlier than planned ... with 44.5 per cent of 12 to 15- year-olds receiving their first jab.

More than 40 per cent of young Victorians aged 12 to 15 have had their first vaccine dose, Daniel Andrews has confirmed.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...ive-coverage/3c68294e70a75ecaf24a3d164aca3765
Monday, October 4, 2021


They are included in the doses by age and sex section of the federal reporting.

View attachment 315966
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...-19-vaccine-rollout-update-4-october-2021.pdf

I'm jealous of your chart in 5 yr increments. Our chart is in 20 yr increments. Boo.

BTW, vaccinating 40% of your young teens in just about three weeks is amazing!
 
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