Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #102

[Arkay]

Exactly. So, it is a crap shoot. You can have the vaccine, still catch Covid and die.

Mask, and social distancing is the key.

If it’s a crap shoot, then it’s one in which the dice are heavily loaded in favor of the vaccines. The statistics bear this out and the reputable doctors and scientists all agree.

I am in NYC. I’m extremely frustrated at the lack of mask wearing I see all around me. And in a city as crowded as mine, it’s awfully difficult to keep social distancing as it should be kept.

I therefore have to rely on what I can do to keep myself and my family safe. I’m triple vaxed, wear a mask at all times indoors outside of my home, and struggle to maintain distance from strangers around me.

If others will not do their part, I will most certainly do what I can for my loved ones, and I will leap at any other vaccines that become necessary.

The vaccines are not perfect but are certainly effective. IMO but also according to all data.

It’s a novel virus. It is mutating. Each mutation brings forth something never seen in humankind before. Therefore, the vaccines have to keep up and I’m so thankful they exist.

 

[jjenny]

Exactly. So, it is a crap shoot. You can have the vaccine, still catch Covid and die.

Mask, and social distancing is the key.

How is it a crap shoot when vaccinated are protected by a large degree from hospitalization and death? A person is clearly much better off vaccinated than not. If you are vaccinated, and wear masks and socially distance than you are even better protected.

 

[mickey2942]

How is it a crap shoot when vaccinated are protected by a large degree from hospitalization and death? A person is clearly much better off vaccinated than not. If you are vaccinated, and wear masks and socially distance than you are even better protected.

But, vaccinated people ARE dying.

 

[jjenny]

But, vaccinated people ARE dying.

In much smaller numbers than unvaccinated.

 

[SouthAussie]

Our World in Data has published a chart of covid deaths in the US by vaccination status, and by vaccination type.
It only goes until 2nd October, though.



How do death rates from COVID-19 differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not?

 

[CrimeAway]

No vaccine is 100% effective.

Especially, in immune compromised individuals, those with comorbidities that affect the immune system, and the elderly.

This is why vaccine protocols vary somewhat depending on the health and age of the recipient. For example, high-dose influenza vaccines exist for older adults. JMO

 

[musicaljoke]

But, vaccinated people ARE dying.

Only nine fully vaccinated Ontarians under 60 have ended up in ICU, new data shows - CityNews Kitchener

With the majority of the eligible population now fully vaccinated against COVID-19, new public health data is providing a detailed look at who is still getting sick in Ontario.

The report from Public Health Ontario reveals only nine breakthrough cases of people under 60 have ended up in intensive care in the province.

A breakthrough case is defined as an infection with a symptom onset date that was at least two weeks after the individual received their second dose of a Health Canada authorized vaccine.

The report looks at 11 months of confirmed COVID-19 infections from Dec. 14 of last year to Nov. 14 of this year.

Using the most recent 30 days of data, unvaccinated individuals were nearly five times more likely to become a confirmed case. The rate of infection in unvaccinated individuals is higher in every single age group.

 

[CrimeAway]

It would be interesting to see a breakdown of those who have died, at least 3 weeks post 2nd vaccination.

I wonder if any studies are currently been done in this area. I'm guessing that these unfortunate people either didn't mount a sufficient antibody and memory B & T cell response to the first 2 vaccines, and/or had other immune compromising or pro-inflammatory risk factors.

Interestingly, several vaccines are given in 3 dose schedules (HepB, HPV...). Also, I have read virologists and immunologists ponder whether increasing the time between the 1st and 2nd vaccine doses, could increase the immune response. JMO

 

[musicaljoke]

It would be interesting to see a breakdown of those who have died, at least 3 weeks post 2nd vaccination.

I wonder if any studies are currently been done in this area. I'm guessing that these unfortunate people either didn't mount a sufficient antibody and memory B & T cell response to the first 2 vaccines, and/or had other immune compromising or pro-inflammatory risk factors.

Interestingly, several vaccines are given in 3 dose schedules (HepB, HPV...). Also, I have read virologists and immunologists ponder whether increasing the time between the 1st and 2nd vaccine doses, could increase the immune response. JMO

Public Health Ontario keeps stats on just about everything.

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/...infectious-disease/covid-19-data-surveillance

 

[CrimeAway]

Public Health Ontario keeps stats on just about everything.

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/...infectious-disease/covid-19-data-surveillance

Thanks, I posted before I saw your earlier reply

I'm wondering how many unknown immune differences may play into *some* of these cases. Of course, in a highly vaccinated population, and without widespread community transmission, the clinical effects of such issues may be hidden, and individuals protected by population immunity? JMO.

ETA: I'd get my backyard bambies vaccinated if I could. They need some Bravecto or Revolution too

 

[acutename]

Only nine fully vaccinated Ontarians under 60 have ended up in ICU, new data shows - CityNews Kitchener

With the majority of the eligible population now fully vaccinated against COVID-19, new public health data is providing a detailed look at who is still getting sick in Ontario.

The report from Public Health Ontario reveals only nine breakthrough cases of people under 60 have ended up in intensive care in the province.

A breakthrough case is defined as an infection with a symptom onset date that was at least two weeks after the individual received their second dose of a Health Canada authorized vaccine.

The report looks at 11 months of confirmed COVID-19 infections from Dec. 14 of last year to Nov. 14 of this year.

Using the most recent 30 days of data, unvaccinated individuals were nearly five times more likely to become a confirmed case. The rate of infection in unvaccinated individuals is higher in every single age group.

the data we really still do not have is the asymptomatic cases, because here in the US, most of those people will not get tested, IMO. Could be that some vaccinated people have mild cases with no symptoms at all.

 

[acutename]

New Hampshire topping the charts

COVID-19 cases hit new high in NH
Officials said there were 1,134 new positive test results recorded Wednesday, and the state's seven-day test positivity rate has risen to 13.4%.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, New Hampshire now has the highest seven-day new case rate in the country, with a case rate of 505.4 cases per 100,000. New Hampshire is followed by Michigan, Minnesota, North Dakota and Wisconsin.

even though this virus is not supposed to be "seasonal," it tracks that way- cold weather = people indoors= more cases. I saw some FL charts that show while it now has a low rate, in the heat of the summer (when people needed AC indoors?) the rates were high.

Fact Check: Does Florida Now Have Lowest Daily U.S. COVID ...
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Claim: Florida currently has the lowest COVID cases per capita
Claimed by: George Papadopoulos, PatriotFetch, others
Fact check by Newsweek: True

 

[Tiff23fr]

The Minnesota man who contracted the omicron variant of the coronavirus met up with about 35 friends at a New York City anime convention and about half have tested positive for the coronavirus, a state health official said Friday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/03/nyc-anime-covid-omicron/

 

[Sundog]

Belgian zoo says its 2 hippos have COVID-19

 

[acutename]

@CrimeAway , it looks like part of Biden’s new measures includes free at-home testing covered by insurance. Iirc, you may have mentioned something about the testing costs.

I want to see how this plays out- seems in GB, people have free home tests just "lying around." Here in the US, up until now, you had to buy them yourself or my county would mail you one if you "jumped through some hoops." I want to see if they become more readily available; if you only get reimbursed after buying and using them, etc. There are more employers and schools requiring tests, so maybe they will just be more common. I did see a mobile testing trailer in a neighboring town set up to administer free tests and they are testing our legislators.

 

[mickey2942]

Over 50 infected with COVID after Christmas party in Norway in Omicron outbreak

This "Omicron" is a game changer. I personally, would not plan a lot of travel out of the country for Christmas this year. I can see air travel getting very difficult.

 

[CrimeAway]

Belgian zoo says its 2 hippos have COVID-19

Oh no. I'm still sad about the snow leopards that died .

PS: If anyone comes across any vaccine trials for Sars-coV-2 (Covid) vaccines for dogs, plmk. I have one dog who has compromised lung function, due to repeated bouts of aspiration pneumonia, and I worry about him.

 

[MimosaMornings]

The Minnesota man who contracted the omicron variant of the coronavirus met up with about 35 friends at a New York City anime convention and about half have tested positive for the coronavirus, a state health official said Friday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/03/nyc-anime-covid-omicron/

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...d-in-man-who-traveled-to-nyc-anime-convention

“With superspreader events, the '3 Cs' are what matter most: closed spaces with poor ventilation; crowded spaces; and close-contact settings. Yet, time spent together is an important aspect as well. The longer amount of time a particular group stays in contact, the greater the chance of viral spread," Glatter said.

"But not unexpectedly, the single most important aspect that superspreader events have in common is that they are places where large numbers of people congregate. The more people that are confined to a single and poorly ventilated indoor space, the more chances exist for SARS-CoV-2 to infect many people at once," Glatter explained.”


2nd US omicron case just traveled to NYC anime convention with 53K attendees

“Anime NYC President Peter Tatara reported that 53,000 fans attended the event this year and that the convention struggled with "challenges with crowding."

"Everything was packed much, much more" compared with previous years, Tatara reported. "Why? We underestimated how many fans would come early and spend every moment of the weekend in the convention center."

Crowds and Covid. Yep.

“The convention required face coverings and vaccinations. However, according to the Anime NYC website, the organizers only required attendees to have one dose and told them they could attend "immediately after your first dose."

Good grief. Probably lackadaisical about the face mask requirement too.
JMO

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Belgian zoo says its 2 hippos have COVID-19

I just hate that this is starting to hit innocent animals. Humans can at least make educated choices about protecting themselves. These guys don't have choices.

 

[ilovewings]

The Minnesota man who contracted the omicron variant of the coronavirus met up with about 35 friends at a New York City anime convention and about half have tested positive for the coronavirus, a state health official said Friday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/03/nyc-anime-covid-omicron/

I was just going to post this article: only 53,000 people attended this convention; Gee, what could possibly go wrong!!! what the he-- is wrong with people? it blows my mind that people are living life pre-pandemic--- it is truly outrageous