Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #103

[sds71]

Moderna announced Monday that a third dose of its mRNA vaccine against Covid-19 appears to provide significant protection against the omicron variant.

However, it said it will also continue to develop an omicron-specific booster candidate which should enter clinical trials in early 2022.


Modern said that its currently authorized booster can “boost neutralizing antibody levels 37-fold higher than pre-boost levels,” which it described as reassuring.



https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/20/mod...nt=Main&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1639998159

 

[CharlestonGal]

Be careful out there, people. And I don't mean covid. Be careful on ladders when putting up/taking down decorations. Use your seat belts and car seats. Travel the speed limit. Keep on top of your blood pressure meds and insulin. Be careful with kitchen knives and getting in and out of the bath/shower. Keep fuel in your car as an ambulance wait could take a while. Don't drink and drive. Be careful with that ax and chainsaw when chopping wood.

Do whatever you can to minimize the need for medical treatment. The stress on healthcare systems is going to be significant so let's do the best we can not to add to it. People need their cancer treatments, bypass surgeries, hysterectomies, appendectomies. We need to keep as much space for them as possible.

There is nothing we can do about the unvaccinated. Pretty much everyone who is going to vaccinate has already done so. Let's do our best not to add to the problems they are causing. jmo

 

[GRT]

How do you reason with someone who believes that vaccines are poison and that the entire pandemic is a conspiracy to begin with?

At this point, I'm not sure it's possible. Lines have been drawn in the sand and it's turned into a battle between political factions rather than a joint effort to protect the world.

I have lost respect for those who make up stories about how the virus is a conspiracy theory and how the vaccines are poison, but I've also lost respect for those who belittle the conspiracy theorists, because it only makes them dig in their heels harder.

But, this is where we are today, and I don't see either side trying to be understanding. The divide between the two sides is growing, and that can't be good.

 

[margarita25]

No, they do. Their vaccination status is never even mentioned in the charts, specifically to avoid any issues like this. Honestly, once someone is a patient, they are just all treated the same.

It's not the unvaccinated patients that are the problem.

It's their relatives who refuse to obey hospital rules and threaten to sue if they don't get some exotic and unwarranted treatment (for free), experimental drugs (that are not available at hospitals), holistic treatments ( unsupported and for free), and start trying to dictate what the MD's and RN's need to do.

This is a huge nightmare for the really responsible people that are doing their jobs to get people out of the hospital.

Hmmm, thanks for the reply. I’ll have to ask this person now about this, that isn’t vaccination status confidential?

This person also told me the something similar you mentioned above, that sometimes the families angrily say “why aren’t you doing more!?”, to which the thought is “it is not our fault this patient chose not to get vaccinated”.

 

[ilovewings]

How do you reason with someone who believes that vaccines are poison and that the entire pandemic is a conspiracy to begin with?

You don't!!!

 

[Deleted member 158085]

No, they do. Their vaccination status is never even mentioned in the charts, specifically to avoid any issues like this. Honestly, once someone is a patient, they are just all treated the same.

It's not the unvaccinated patients that are the problem.

It's their relatives who refuse to obey hospital rules and threaten to sue if they don't get some exotic and unwarranted treatment (for free), experimental drugs (that are not available at hospitals), holistic treatments ( unsupported and for free), and start trying to dictate what the MD's and RN's need to do.

This is a huge nightmare for the really responsible people that are doing their jobs to get people out of the hospital.

That's interesting, because even when I see my rheumatologist my vaccination status is noted on my file. I know because my doc and I just discussed how she has her MA ask and note it prior to her seeing a patient.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Covid cases explode in London

London has been hit with 140,000 confirmed Covid cases in a week after they exploded by up to 500 per cent among young adults and also increased among pensioners, an Evening Standard analysis reveals.

 

[MrX]

Watching some NFL football on TV- the crowds OMG--it is beyond comprehension
that thousands of people are at the game, screaming with excitement--and the
NFL is clueless in allowing this type of crowd with a surge that we are
experiencing--- we are really in trouble

Two years in, with everything worse than ever. <modsnip - no link> Hard to blame people for deciding to live in the moment when nothing else has worked.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Covid cases explode in London

London has been hit with 140,000 confirmed Covid cases in a week after they exploded by up to 500 per cent among young adults and also increased among pensioners, an Evening Standard analysis reveals.

Vietnam is really struggling now, too. They went from ~3000 infected in May 2021 to ~400,000 infected currently. They managed to keep their number of infected in the double digits for the first 16 months of the pandemic. I wonder what happened? I suppose the simple answer would be the arrival of Delta. But wow. jmo

Vietnam COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

 

[MimosaMornings]

How do you reason with someone who believes that vaccines are poison and that the entire pandemic is a conspiracy to begin with?

There is no reasoning with someone who believes all vaccines are poison.

I do my best to gather research but I also know what I have seen and heard at hospitals over the past year is not actors or empty ER’s. You learn a lot by just listening and observing. I’ve spent way too many days and nights in a hard hospital room chair (with a mask on) since Covid hit the US to not take it seriously. Conversations with primary care, pulmonologist, rheumatologist and cardiologist also factor into my safety protocol and belief Covid is real.

I can’t talk to people who think it’s fake because that is a slap to us who have close friends and family who have died or health that will never be the same due to Covid.

I quit trying after it got to the point when conspiracy theorists said the govt was either putting alien or Bigfoot DNA in our bodies or a tiny device which would track those vaccinated by those new 5G towers (or other outlandish nonsense). I know people who believe in the above ridiculousness and have tried to convince me. I just can’t handle listening to their illogical vaccine/Covid theories anymore.

I have to focus on keeping myself as safe as possible yet work and take care of those who depend on me.
JMO

 

[CharlestonGal]

Two years in, with everything worse than ever. <modsnip - no link> Hard to blame people for deciding to live in the moment when nothing else has worked.

In order for something to "work" one has to actually do it. Aside from 2-3 weeks last year when we did the mask/social distancing thing my state hasn't done anything. Mask mandates were banned, they refused to place limits on gatherings or to control tourists. Contact tracing and quarantine went out the window at least a year ago. Half the population isn't vaccinated.

You can't throw up your hands and say, "Well, we did everything and it still didn't work!" when in actuality you did the bare minimum or nothing at all. jmo

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Nearly 50 aboard Royal Caribbean’s Symphony of the Seas cruise ship test positive for Covid-19 (nbcnews.com)

The cruise ship, one of the world’s largest, departed on Dec. 11. and made stops at St. Martin, St. Thomas in the U.S. Virgin Islands and The Bahamas.

Royal Caribbean’s Symphony of the Seas returned to Miami Saturday after 48 passengers and staff had tested positive for Covid-19, according to the cruise company...

A statement from Royal Caribbean said nearly 7,000 people were aboard the ship and those who tested positive for Covid "were identified as a result of immediate contact tracing after a guest tested positive."...

IMO, we're going to see this scenario repeated in the coming weeks. Holiday cruises are very popular with every ship packed to the gills when they set sail. I fear major Covid surges coming on from holiday travel. Glad we're staying home.


More details here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article256719962.html

 

[CharlestonGal]

Nearly 50 aboard Royal Caribbean’s Symphony of the Seas cruise ship test positive for Covid-19 (nbcnews.com)

The cruise ship, one of the world’s largest, departed on Dec. 11. and made stops at St. Martin, St. Thomas in the U.S. Virgin Islands and The Bahamas.

Royal Caribbean’s Symphony of the Seas returned to Miami Saturday after 48 passengers and staff had tested positive for Covid-19, according to the cruise company...

A statement from Royal Caribbean said nearly 7,000 people were aboard the ship and those who tested positive for Covid "were identified as a result of immediate contact tracing after a guest tested positive."...

IMO, we're going to see this scenario repeated in the coming weeks. Holiday cruises are very popular with every ship packed to the gills when they set sail. I fear major Covid surges coming on from holiday travel. Glad we're staying home.

It always amazes me that 1 infected person can spark an outbreak of 48 people.

In the land of future-man it would be cool if vaccinating 1 person could spread that vaccine to 48 others. That at least would be a fair fight.

Feeling fanciful today, sorry. jmo

 

[weepingangel]

Boston Implements Proof of Vaccination Requirement for Restaurants, Other Indoor Venues
More at link
The proof of vaccination requirement for indoor venues will go into effect starting Jan. 15 for everyone ages 12 and up. All patrons and employees will be required to show proof that they have received at least one dose of vaccine. Beginning Feb. 15, everyone will have to show proof of two doses. Starting in March, children will be required to be vaccinated as well.

The proof of vaccination requirement covers three categories:

• Indoor dining, including bars and restaurants
• Indoor fitness venues like gyms
• Indoor entertainment, recreational and event venues, including theater shows or sports games

She also said all city employees must be vaccinated along that same timeline, eliminating a weekly testing option that had existed previously.

 

[MrX]

In order for something to "work" one has to actually do it. Aside from 2-3 weeks last year when we did the mask/social distancing thing my state hasn't done anything. Mask mandates were banned, they refused to place limits on gatherings or to control tourists. Contact tracing and quarantine went out the window at least a year ago. Half the population isn't vaccinated.

You can't throw up your hands and say, "Well, we did everything and it still didn't work!" when in actuality you did the bare minimum or nothing at all. jmo

Some places did way more than others and, when all is said and done, I suspect the results will be the same everywhere.

 

[indicolite22]

Two years in, with everything worse than ever. <modsnip - no link> Hard to blame people for deciding to live in the moment when nothing else has worked.

Everything isn't worse than ever. Here deaths were much higher last year with lower number of infections. Vaccines work. I observe the difference in measures accross Europe. Some countries are in lockdown while others with higher death rate aren't bothered. IMO it depends on how much society values human life.

 

[tarabull]

New Zealand links 26-year-old man's death to Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine

 

[ilovewings]

Nearly 50 aboard Royal Caribbean’s Symphony of the Seas cruise ship test positive for Covid-19 (nbcnews.com)

The cruise ship, one of the world’s largest, departed on Dec. 11. and made stops at St. Martin, St. Thomas in the U.S. Virgin Islands and The Bahamas.

Royal Caribbean’s Symphony of the Seas returned to Miami Saturday after 48 passengers and staff had tested positive for Covid-19, according to the cruise company...

A statement from Royal Caribbean said nearly 7,000 people were aboard the ship and those who tested positive for Covid "were identified as a result of immediate contact tracing after a guest tested positive."...

IMO, we're going to see this scenario repeated in the coming weeks. Holiday cruises are very popular with every ship packed to the gills when they set sail. I fear major Covid surges coming on from holiday travel. Glad we're staying home.


More details here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article256719962.html

I could try and feign surprise, but really, GASP- Covid
spreading on a cruise ship with Delta and Omicron circulating---
Shocking!!!!!!

 

[CharlestonGal]

I could try and feign surprise, but really, GASP- Covid
spreading on a cruise ship with Delta and Omicron circulating---
Shocking!!!!!!

Double shocking when they let them all disembark in the Virgin Islands and Bahamas and get right back on the ship. jmo

 

[CharlestonGal]

New Zealand links 26-year-old man's death to Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine

"The man, who died within two weeks of his first dose, had not sought medical advice or treatment for his symptoms."

That's a shame. Myocarditis is easily treatable and rarely, rarely fatal in a young person.