Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #104

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  • #861
YES, that has to be it. Too many people not educated about these things. I don't think most of the people here even watch the news. My friends keep asking when I am going to "end this self isolation" I have going on. They have bets on in two weeks I will be down eating meals again. Ummm....our surge in our area is just getting started. I open the paper and a 50 year old restaurant owner of a super popular place downtown has died of Covid. I guess ignorance is bliss.

I got two big orders in from Walmart this week of things I don't want to run out of- laundry supplies, personal health care items, snacks, drinks. Even though they provide meals here, nothing else is provided except TP! LOL
I am sorry your friends are not more respectful of your decision. Making bets on you coming back to the dining room in two weeks is not very nice. I am stubborn, lol. Even if COVID vanished magically, I would not go down in two weeks just to spite them.
It sounds like you are all set for food and supplies. That is a good idea. Early on in the pandemic I made a pantry. It is nearly bare but tomorrow I will be restocking. I think the supply chain woes will be with us for a while.
 
  • #862
My unvaccinated brother and his family of 4 all have colds. None of them have been tested and refuse to do so. I don't know if that's because there's a lack of tests here, or what. All 4 had covid last year and were sick for 2 or 3 weeks. I suspect they have it again. None of them will be vaccinated, my brother calls it poison. There are two children who live in the same house who don't have the "cold". Add to that, none of them wear masks. Ever. My brother says they don't prevent anyone from getting covid.

I'll continue to do what I've been doing and have done. Wear a mask whenever I'm out, and I've had 3 shots. But I continue to pray that I don't get it.

Hoping to calm your fears. It's entirely possible they really do have bad colds. I had a nasty cold mid September. I was sick for 2 weeks.
 
  • #863
YES, that has to be it. Too many people not educated about these things. I don't think most of the people here even watch the news. My friends keep asking when I am going to "end this self isolation" I have going on. They have bets on in two weeks I will be down eating meals again. Ummm....our surge in our area is just getting started. I open the paper and a 50 year old restaurant owner of a super popular place downtown has died of Covid. I guess ignorance is bliss.

I got two big orders in from Walmart this week of things I don't want to run out of- laundry supplies, personal health care items, snacks, drinks. Even though they provide meals here, nothing else is provided except TP! LOL
Keep doing what you’re doing - we’re all here cheering you on! You’re the smart one
 
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Live updates: Coronavirus pandemic and Omicron variant

Here we go again, closing schools for remote learning. This will start a chain of dominoes now.
My sister is a doctor and my daughter is an RN at local hospitals. They both have grade school aged kids. My daughter already said if schools closes she will consider a non paid family leave. My sister will just put them in the same daycare that the younger kids are in. So they will be in a crowded daycare instead of school. And a hospital will be short one nurse. Both are also looking into the private schools. They have been open since the governor allowed it way back when. It’s a terrible situation for everyone.
 
  • #867
Oh dear
Covid is rampant among deer, research shows
Humans have infected wild deer with Covid-19 in a handful of U.S. states and there’s evidence the virus has been spreading between deer, according to recent studies, which outline findings that could complicate the path out of the pandemic.

TWIV covered Sars-coV-2 in deer in the latest episode. ETA, discussion of this paper starts at 37:45

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SARS-CoV-2 infection in free-ranging white-tailed deer | Nature
 
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  • #868
I was so hoping that this would not happen again. Children need to be in school, in a classroom with their teacher/s and peers. There is so much more to education than sitting in front of a computer screen! JMO
Totally agree. See my post above. Such far reaching consequences of closing schools. And around here when the teens are not in school they don’t stay home. They fill the trampoline parks, movie theaters, malls and restaurants.
 
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My sister is a doctor and my daughter is an RN at local hospitals. They both have grade school aged kids. My daughter already said if schools closes she will consider a non paid family leave. My sister will just put them in the same daycare that the younger kids are in. So they will be in a crowded daycare instead of school. And a hospital will be short one nurse. Both are also looking into the private schools. They have been open since the governor allowed it way back when. It’s a terrible situation for everyone.
Several daycares closed during Covid and never reopened. The waiting list on the open ones is long plus some don’t take those over 6-7 years old (school age). Plus the expense.
Hospitals are very short staffed now. Poaching is very common.
 
  • #870
Totally agree. See my post above. Such far reaching consequences of closing schools. And around here when the teens are not in school they don’t stay home. They fill the trampoline parks, movie theaters, malls and restaurants.
Wow. Guess the ones with cars go pick up all their friends! There’s no metro or subway here so they would have to stay home.
 
  • #871
Several daycares closed during Covid and never reopened. The waiting list on the open ones is long plus some don’t take those over 6-7 years old (school age). Plus the expense.
Hospitals are very short staffed now. Poaching is very common.
It’s very difficult. Thankfully my sisters child care center caters quite a bit to the med professionals. They will open a room for the school age kids and let them all sit at tables and do school or hang out in a makeshift lounge with tv, video games and such. But is is far from school and defeats the purpose of closing school as now there are still many families kids all together in one or two rooms.
 
  • #872
I was so hoping that this would not happen again. Children need to be in school, in a classroom with their teacher/s and peers. There is so much more to education than sitting in front of a computer screen! JMO

I believe that this is why there has been such a huge influx of people migrating to Montana. Schools closed in Spring, 2020. But opened back up for Fall, 2020. Closed a bit for extended Christmas, 2021. But have been open for the most part all of last year and this year.

But it is definitely a challenge for working parents. Especially if they are single.
 
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Paywalled /probably not elsewhere lots of papers run globe headline stories
‘It’s just relentless’: Exhausted hospital workers battle another COVID surge - The Boston Globe
more at link
Since March 2020, the weary staff in this Mass. General unit have not gone a single day without treating a critically ill COVID patient. It is difficult for them to see a way out of the throes of this pandemic.

“I don’t see the light at the end of the tunnel,” Mover said. “This could be our new normal, which is not OK. Health care will not be OK.”




When the coronavirus first emerged, health care workers rallied to fight their new, unknown enemy. There was fear, but also a kind of excitement about the immense challenge of solving a new problem, Medoff said. That novelty has turned to drudgery.

Even during periods when broader society moved toward normalcy, COVID never left this ICU. The last time numbers ticked down in the fall, Medoff had a sense of foreboding. Sure enough, within days, more COVID patients arrived.





The best efforts of the ICU staff can’t save everyone. Patients die often — sometimes one a day, sometimes two or three. If their families can’t or don’t want to visit, nurses hold their hands at the end.

Some of them are young. The ones that stay in Mover’s mind are the pregnant women, and their babies, who didn’t make it. And the parents who died and left young children behind.


Mover recently took care of a patient whose children read books to her over the phone. The woman couldn’t hear them; she was sedated.

“You always think: What if that were me, and how would my kids handle that?” Mover said. “If I were to get sick, what would they do?”
This is heartbreaking! And it begs the question, what will we do when many, many nurses and other medical staff suffer severe burnout and leave their positions? Who will take care of the sick then?
 
  • #874
This is heartbreaking! And it begs the question, what will we do when many, many nurses and other medical staff suffer severe burnout and leave their positions? Who will take care of the sick then?

Maybe it is time for people to care for "sick" people at home. And accept that all people can't be saved. Triage. Hospital care for the most likely to survive.
 
  • #875
And how are the schools not supposed to close if there aren't enough teachers and other employees who aren't sick?

Georgia was averaging under 2,000 cases a day and now it's like 24,ooo a day. We've had one of the most rapid increase in case numbers in the entire country based on some graphs I've seen giving percentage increase.

We were doing NOTHING to prevent spread and then this happens. Eventually I guess people are going to have to learn covid is airborne and it's not leaving anytime soon and we need to put some actual mitigation measures into place instead of continuously waiting till it all blows the heck up again. Governor Kemp's answer is to do absolutely nothing till the hospitals are overwhelmed and then call in the National Guard for help.

GA had more cases in just THREE days last week than the entire month of November. The hospitals are again seriously overwhelmed.

If GA parents do nothing to stop the spread of covid, and let's be frank, the overwhelming majority of parents here absolutely do not, then why exactly should schools and hospitals have to take the brunt of it? Why should the vulnerable forgo medical care and risk illness? The parents are the ones still responsible for taking care of their own children and not the school system.

And they shouldn't remain open as basically babysitters when they would otherwise be forced to close from medical necessity. But again they are doing nothing to prevent this stage yet again occurring. It's just yet again people being somehow surprised by the consequences of their actions.

I live in GA and one whole branch of banks across our county has been closed for days for "medical reasons". This is just what happens when you pretend you aren't still in a pandemic. Children aren't getting more benefits in a few weeks of school to outweigh the clearly negative benefits of crashing the accessibility of medical care etc.

Or I guess we can just wait and see. Let everything stay open and see just how much it blows up.

I just looked up the covid cases for our local schools the last two days we were open last week and the numbers of sick students and teachers quadrupled and tripled in one day. I'm pretty sure these school administrators wouldn't be doing this without good reason.

Edited to add: Let's also remember that people can't even access tests right now to confirm covid or rule out covid. Not that the tests are super accurate. It's just flying blind and waiting for the system to crash to continue ignoring it. I say the schools are doing a good job not being entirely blind to the problems they are facing and having to weigh it with the problems it does create for students and their families. There are not great options here sadly.
 
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School administrators face tough calls as Covid challenges affect student behavior (nbcnews.com)

Administrators say they’re navigating difficult choices about school safety and student discipline in a year when children are reeling and acting out.

The list of challenges facing school administrators as they head into the new year is long and daunting: crippling staff shortages, nasty battles over mask-wearing, deep academic deficits, terrifying sickness and disruptive quarantines.

On top of that, administrators are also navigating difficult questions about how best to respond to student discipline issues, including violence, which some educators say has been a growing concern this school year.

“In the first nine weeks of school, we had more physical aggression in terms of fights than we probably had in the last maybe three or four years combined,” said Crystal Thorpe, the principal of Fishers Junior High School in suburban Indianapolis, who said her students had difficulty transitioning back to full-time in-person classes...
 
  • #877
Maybe it is time for people to care for "sick" people at home. And accept that all people can't be saved. Triage. Hospital care for the most likely to survive.

Caring for someone contagious with Covid is not just caring for a sick person, since
everyone in contact with that person is heavily exposed to the virus
 
  • #878
US coronavirus: Covid-19 surge is 'unprecedented' - CNN

"What we're seeing is that our vaccinated patients aren't getting sick, and our frail, multiple comorbidities-vaccinated patients do need admission, but their admissions are shorter and they're able to leave the hospital after several days," said Dr. Catherine O'Neal, chief medical officer at Our Lady of the Lake Regional Medical Center in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

"Our unvaccinated patients are the sickest patients," she said. "They're the patients most likely to be on the ventilator.
 
  • #879
This is heartbreaking! And it begs the question, what will we do when many, many nurses and other medical staff suffer severe burnout and leave their positions? Who will take care of the sick then?

DH and I had a conversation about this a few nights ago. We were wondering if the pandemic has encouraged or discouraged young people from considering healthcare professions. It would be interesting to see if applications to medical school and undergraduate or graduate nursing programs have declined over the last year or two. Those who were considering medicine or nursing might be rethinking career options due to the pandemic. JMO
 
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Are some people naturally Covid-proof? Scientists around the world are studying the phenomenon of health workers and others who are regularly exposed to the disease but have yet to become infected
  • Mounting evidence that people are naturally resistant to Covid and its mutations
  • One theory is that they have previously recovered from different coronaviruses
  • Experts hope they can help create variant-proof vaccine to keep Covid at bay

This was a surprising decent article for the Daily Mail. It also addressed some other aspects that we have discussed about Covid. Here's a few screenshots.

ETA link: Mounting evidence suggests some people are naturally Covid-resistant - even as virus mutates | Daily Mail Online
 

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