Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #112

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You are absolutely correct. The CDC was pushed in 2020 to roll these vaccines out quickly. Proper research was never done on them. I took the first few, but now that COVID is no longer the threat that it used to be, I no longer take them. My Dr. does not even give them any more. I won’t be taking them any time soon either.
It's an individual decision now, in consultation with one's physician. From a public health standpoint, after five years between vaccinations and acquired immunity, the only people I know who are still getting vaccinated for Covid-19 are seniors and individuals who are immuno-compromised. Each person has to decide for themselves which vaccinations they will take. I know a lot of people who don't even take the influenza vaccine and never have, even though deaths due to flu are a known factor.

I think we knew when President Trump rolled out the Covid vaccines that there was some risk, but that's all we had. Now we have anti-virals for Covid-19, etc. Again, it's a personal and individual decision, not one size fits all.
 
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@Sundog . I’m a senior, and I agree. I take all my other vaccines, especially not missing the flu vaccine, but for now, the Covid is a hard no for me.
 
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It's an individual decision now, in consultation with one's physician. From a public health standpoint, after five years between vaccinations and acquired immunity, the only people I know who are still getting vaccinated for Covid-19 are seniors and individuals who are immuno-compromised. Each person has to decide for themselves which vaccinations they will take. I know a lot of people who don't even take the influenza vaccine and never have, even though deaths due to flu are a known factor.

I think we knew when President Trump rolled out the Covid vaccines that there was some risk, but that's all we had. Now we have anti-virals for Covid-19, etc. Again, it's a personal and individual decision, not one size fits all.

Respectfully, as someone who was/is not immunocompromised and was fairly healthy when I got Covid---antivirals like Paxlovid aren't a magical protection against getting long Covid. My covid was not that severe, I started Paxlovid right away (my son had already tested positive 2 days before, so I was already monitoring my symptoms/checking temp/using Covid tests) because we were trying to make sure my other son with a medial condition didn't get exposed to it through me. And now I've been dealing with long Covid for over 2 years. I'm on many long Covid messaging boards/support groups. And there are a lot of people like me in those groups. Sure, Paxlovid reduced my covid symptoms during the actual week that I was sick. But since then, my life and health has been severely impacted with no real "cure" in sight.

The number of people walking around dealing with long Covid is terrifyingly high. The amount of kids and teens with long Covid is also horrifyingly high--and I've seen the direct impact because my one teen son did end up with long Covid and the effect it has had on his education, social life, physical and mental health is awful.

Paxlovid isn't a substitute for the vaccination. And while it greatly reduces your symptoms and severity when you are sick with Covid, it doesn't do much in terms of reducing your risk for long Covid......which can then have a huge impact on your health for the next several years of your life as well as increase your mortality risks.
 
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It's an individual decision now, in consultation with one's physician. From a public health standpoint, after five years between vaccinations and acquired immunity, the only people I know who are still getting vaccinated for Covid-19 are seniors and individuals who are immuno-compromised. Each person has to decide for themselves which vaccinations they will take. I know a lot of people who don't even take the influenza vaccine and never have, even though deaths due to flu are a known factor.

I think we knew when President Trump rolled out the Covid vaccines that there was some risk, but that's all we had. Now we have anti-virals for Covid-19, etc. Again, it's a personal and individual decision, not one size fits all.
DH and I had originally planned to get Covid shots last Friday when we were getting haircuts, manicures/pedicures, stopping at Meijer for a script (and possibly the shots), and had dinner reservations that evening. For a variety of reasons, we canceled our late January cruise and decided that Covid shots were not imperative until we both see our PCPs next month. We got flu shots this year, as always, but will not get Covid injections until we've discussed this with our respective physicians.
 
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You are absolutely correct. The CDC was pushed in 2020 to roll these vaccines out quickly. Proper research was never done on them. I took the first few, but now that COVID is no longer the threat that it used to be, I no longer take them. My Dr. does not even give them any more. I won’t be taking them any time soon either.
I keep hearing the claim from people (particularly from those without a scientific background) that proper research wasn’t carried out, when it actually was.

coronaviruses had been studied for 50 years prior to Covid, and a decade of mRNA vaccine research had been completed.

The actual Covid vaccine went through human trials.


 
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Sorry, but I believed had researchers been allowed the time they needed to develop the Covid vaccine that we would not be seeing these side effects being linked to the vaccine today. If proper research had been carried out , the scientists would be able to correctly affirm or deny the side effects. It’s not the scientists fault. They were pushed to get the vaccine to the public.
 
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Sorry, but I believed had researchers been allowed the time they needed to develop the Covid vaccine that we would not be seeing these side effects being linked to the vaccine today. If proper research had been carried out , the scientists would be able to correctly affirm or deny the side effects. It’s not the scientists fault. They were pushed to get the vaccine to the public.
There are always a few people who have bad reactions to vaccines, whether that be an allergic reaction to an ingredient or whatever.

Statistically, those adverse reactions are *VERY few* as a percentage of people receiving the vaccine, not to mention very few as compared to the people who have adverse reactions to *the disease the vaccine is intended to prevent or reduce*.

Then there are people who have something adverse happen shortly after receiving a vaccine and who mistakenly assume correlation = causation. Nearly all of those reactions were actually unrelated to the vaccine. Some were things that were going to happen to that person anyway. Others were reactions to an unrecognized illness (especially the case with COVID where 40% of infections are asymptomatic so folks don't even know they are sick).

What was different with COVID was two things. First, we now have this worldwide instantaneous communication platform where rumors and conspiracy theories (as well as truths) can be so easily spread to millions upon millions of people.

And second, we currently have an anti-science, divisive and finger-pointing culture where people who don't fully understand medicine or statistics, and who have been encouraged not to trust actual experts but to "do their own research" (which in the scientific meaning of that word isn't actually possible for a single individual not specifically trained) are fostering their fears online and reaffirming each other's mistaken perspectives.

So people who have anything adverse happen and who believe it might have come from the vaccine, go online and report their anecdote as if it was statistically significant, and nothing prevents millions of others from reading and mistakenly believing it.

And here's the thing -- if a person believes the development was rushed and therefore problematic, and avoided the vaccines for that reason, why does that person not believe now, six years later, that full and proper research has been completed? The vaccines have been updated every year and research into improving them is 100% ongoing, so by now wouldn't any supposed problems due to the early time pressure have been fixed?

MOO

I will continue getting two COVID vaxxes per year (three or four if I were able since immunity wanes after 3-4 months), unless and until a longer-lasting vaccine is developed. No more inconvenient than getting an annual flu shot, and WAY less inconvenient than doing my shopping right when the store opens and continuing to mask when indoors with others for more than a few minutes, all of which I also continue to do with very few exceptions.
 
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I wasn’t speaking of the minor feel bad for a day or so after your shot side effects that are to be expected after any vaccination. I’m talking about the serious, llfe altering side affects that are coming out now. Those requiring the black box warnings.
 
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I wasn’t speaking of the minor feel bad for a day or so after your shot side effects that are to be expected after any vaccination. I’m talking about the serious, llfe altering side affects that are coming out now. Those requiring the black box warnings.
Exactly 🔝
 
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I lost dearly loved unvaccinated people to COVID, not the vaccine. I will continue to get my vaccinations.
 
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I lost dearly loved unvaccinated people to COVID, not the vaccine. I will continue to get my vaccinations.
I’m sorry to hear that. I thought hospitals couldn’t admit people until they were vaccinated. That’s how it was around here anyways. I remember my family in California said the same. I’m curious how they were admitted to a hospital if they weren’t vaccinated. Again sorry for your loss
 
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I’m sorry to hear that. I thought hospitals couldn’t admit people until they were vaccinated. That’s how it was around here anyways. I remember my family in California said the same. I’m curious how they were admitted to a hospital if they weren’t vaccinated. Again sorry for your loss
They were dying. That's how they were admitted. This was in Florida.
 
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They were dying. That's how they were admitted. This was in Florida.
I also knew someone who died of Covid and didn’t get vaccinated. But before they admitted her she had to have the vaccine. It was a simple question is all. I didn’t mean to offend you in anyway. Sorry
 
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I lost dearly loved unvaccinated people to COVID, not the vaccine. I will continue to get my vaccinations.
100%

I was working in a clinic where we were conducting COVID testing and treating COVID patients. I remember how closely we followed the progress of vaccine development and testing.

We saw patients die of COVID before the vaccine was available. Somme who died were young people, who had no other health issues.

We were very grateful to be among the first to receive the vaccinations since we were frontline health care workers.
 
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I wasn’t speaking of the minor feel bad for a day or so after your shot side effects that are to be expected after any vaccination. I’m talking about the serious, llfe altering side affects that are coming out now. Those requiring the black box warnings.

Neither was I.


I’m sorry to hear that. I thought hospitals couldn’t admit people until they were vaccinated. That’s how it was around here anyways. I remember my family in California said the same. I’m curious how they were admitted to a hospital if they weren’t vaccinated. Again sorry for your loss

I am in California and have not heard of hospitals requiring patients to be vaxxed. Staff, yes, but I think that was up to each facility, not a statewide rule. My local hospital almost certainly did not require it of staff nor patients, as I live in an area where many people were skeptical of it.

My mom was in a memory care facility in the San Francisco Bay Area when COVID appeared. She was of course encouraged to get vaxxed but even there I don't think it was mandatory for residents.
 
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Neither was I.




I am in California and have not heard of hospitals requiring patients to be vaxxed. Staff, yes, but I think that was up to each facility, not a statewide rule. My local hospital almost certainly did not require it of staff nor patients, as I live in an area where many people were skeptical of it.

My mom was in a memory care facility in the San Francisco Bay Area when COVID appeared. She was of course encouraged to get vaxxed but even there I don't think it was mandatory for residents.
I nvr said it was nationwide or state wide. Only that it was necessary for certain hospitals. Moo imo
 
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I was hospitalized twice in 2021. I was never asked my vaccine status although at the time I was vaccinated against Covid.
 
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I was hospitalized twice in 2021. I was never asked my vaccine status although at the time I was vaccinated against Covid.
My brother couldn’t have surgery until he was vaccinated
 
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My brother couldn’t have surgery until he was vaccinated
In the area where I live, all three hospital systems required patients to be vaccinated for elective surgeries and procedures.

Orthopedic surgeries like knee and hip replacements and other electives were cancelled unless the patient was vaccinated. But emergency surgeries were performed even if the patient was unvaccinated.
 
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I wasn’t speaking of the minor feel bad for a day or so after your shot side effects that are to be expected after any vaccination. I’m talking about the serious, llfe altering side affects that are coming out now. Those requiring the black box warnings.
I believe the black box warnings will be on every vaccination vial. I lived through when people had polio and the iron lung treatment. Black box or not, our family stood in line to get that sugar cube to combat polio. It’s important to be knowledgeable about the vaccine and how to protect yourself, your family, and the community.
All otc and prescribed meds have warnings, Black box warnings don’t concern me.i question and research before I take medications and have procedures done. I’m lucky that my family has 3 doctors (fellowships) and 8 nurses and one NP. I don’t have a medical background but I’ve been known to consult with my family members who can answer my questions and address my concerns.

I’ve had friends who’ve died from Covid during the pandemic and will continue to get vaccinated.
 

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