Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #112

[killarney rose]

I had friends that died too. 2 of them. I believed so firmly in getting vaccinated back then, that I drove to another state where I had connections to get one of the first public vaccines because I was a year too young to get that round at home. But now that COVID isn’t t he threat that it was at first I will pass on the vaccine until I can be reassured it has been properly researched and is safer than it currently seems to be.

 

[Mauig’ma]

Why is it no one is posting about the horrible side effects that are now known after all these years? A lot has been discovered since they rolled them out and into everyone’s arms… imo

 

[303gmf]

Why is it no one is posting about the horrible side effects that are now known after all these years? A lot has been discovered since they rolled them out and into everyone’s arms… imo

I’ve known of no one having any kind of reaction other than tiredness or sore arm, since 2020
My last Moderna mspike had no side effects

I have known many to have reactions to antibiotics, shingles vaccines, prescription medicines and anything ingestible or injected
A commonly prescribed blood pressure medication caused hives and skin peeling, switched and no problems since, millions and millions take it with no issues

We are all different

 

[Mo Thuairim]

I’ve known of no one having any kind of reaction other than tiredness or sore arm, since 2020
My last Moderna mspike had no side effects

I have known many to have reactions to antibiotics, shingles vaccines, prescription medicines and anything ingestible or injected
A commonly prescribed blood pressure medication caused hives and skin peeling, switched and no problems since, millions and millions take it with no issues

We are all different

I've never met anyone who has had a bad reaction to the Covid vaccine. And bear in mind, 95% of people here in Ireland were vaccinated in 2020. I've never even met anyone who KNOWS anyone who had a bad reaction. I don't doubt they exist but it's really not common. I've had eight Covid shots at last count and I'm trucking along just fine.

 

[Sundog]

Myocarditis has been identified as a significant adverse reaction to the Covid-19 vaccine in young males. This has been reported on in medical journals.

 

[detective.moon]

i have long covid and i still think in most cases getting the vaccine is the wisest thing to do! but i have to say, i do know some people (from being in touch with a lot of longhaulers) that have developed similar symptoms to long covid from the vaccine. from what i understand (but i don’t know how well researched it is), it is by far not as common as long covid, but it does occur.

it’s a tricky subject, because there has been so much conspiracy thinking and division etc. and people who do mention issues from vaccines often have opinions about covid i don’t agree with. but i do feel for people who genuinely struggle with these symptoms now and who are often quickly dismissed. and like @Sundog says, some adverse reactions have been proven by now.

tldr: for healthy people i think getting vaccinated is still the best thing to do, but i do hope that everyone who has become disabled (whether it’s by the virus, or by a vaccine) will be taken seriously and gets all the support

 

[Mauig’ma]

I’ve known of no one having any kind of reaction other than tiredness or sore arm, since 2020
My last Moderna mspike had no side effects

I have known many to have reactions to antibiotics, shingles vaccines, prescription medicines and anything ingestible or injected
A commonly prescribed blood pressure medication caused hives and skin peeling, switched and no problems since, millions and millions take it with no issues

We are all different

You’re right. Everyone reacts differently to every vaccine or medication. Moo

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Myocarditis has been identified as a significant adverse reaction to the Covid-19 vaccine in young males. This has been reported on in medical journals.

I remember reading about this early on and do not doubt that it has been observed, though I don't know whether "significant" is clinically accurate or not.

However, I do think it is well recognized by those researching such things that whatever the rate of myocarditis due to the vaccine, it is significantly lower than the rate of same reaction caused from COVID infection itself. MOO

 

[IceIce9]

Why is it no one is posting about the horrible side effects that are now known after all these years? A lot has been discovered since they rolled them out and into everyone’s arms… imo

I can’t speak for others, but I worked in healthcare before, during, and after COVID. I haven seen any patients die of side effects from COVID, but have had patients who have died from COVID or have devastating effects from long COVID.


There are many studies available that prove people are more likely to die from COVID than the vaccinations.

Here is one:

Massive four-year study finds no increase in deaths linked to COVID-19 mRNA vaccination​

Data from 30 million French adults suggests COVID-19 vaccines did not lead to higher death rates. Instead, they reduced them.

Massive four-year study finds no increase in deaths linked to COVID-19 mRNA vaccination

Data from 30 million French adults suggests COVID-19 vaccines did not lead to higher death rates. Instead, they reduced them.

www.gavi.org

People are overwhelmingly more likely to die from COVID-19 infection than from the COVID-19 vaccine. Numerous large-scale studies and public health data consistently show that vaccines are safe and have saved millions of lives globally by significantly reducing the risk of severe illness, hospitalization, and death from the virus.

 

[Stunned]

Why is it no one is posting about the horrible side effects that are now known after all these years? A lot has been discovered since they rolled them out and into everyone’s arms… imo

I can only talk of the deaths without. IMO

 

[Gemmie]

This is a pretty large study.

COVID continues to carry a substantially higher short-term risk of death than seasonal flu despite the availability of a COVID vaccine, according to a large population-based cohort study from South Korea.
For the study, published last week in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, Korean researchers drew on data from national health insurance claims to compare 30-day all-cause mortality among more than 15 million people diagnosed as having COVID or influenza from July 2022 to December 2023.

76% higher odds of death by 30 days for COVID​

A COVID diagnosis was associated with 76% higher odds of death within 30 days than influenza. Overall, 0.20% of patients with COVID died, compared with 0.016% of those with influenza, a roughly 12.5-fold difference in crude mortality. Among hospitalized patients, COVID was linked to a substantially greater risk of death in those receiving mechanical ventilation (1.88-fold higher).

Study finds that despite broad COVID vaccine availability, COVID still deadlier than flu in hospitalized patients

A COVID diagnosis was associated with 76% higher odds of death within 30 days.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

 

[Sundog]

This is a pretty large study.

COVID continues to carry a substantially higher short-term risk of death than seasonal flu despite the availability of a COVID vaccine, according to a large population-based cohort study from South Korea.
For the study, published last week in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, Korean researchers drew on data from national health insurance claims to compare 30-day all-cause mortality among more than 15 million people diagnosed as having COVID or influenza from July 2022 to December 2023.

76% higher odds of death by 30 days for COVID​

A COVID diagnosis was associated with 76% higher odds of death within 30 days than influenza. Overall, 0.20% of patients with COVID died, compared with 0.016% of those with influenza, a roughly 12.5-fold difference in crude mortality. Among hospitalized patients, COVID was linked to a substantially greater risk of death in those receiving mechanical ventilation (1.88-fold higher).

Study finds that despite broad COVID vaccine availability, COVID still deadlier than flu in hospitalized patients

A COVID diagnosis was associated with 76% higher odds of death within 30 days.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Do they give the ages of the patients studied?

 

[SouthAussie]

I remember reading about this early on and do not doubt that it has been observed, though I don't know whether "significant" is clinically accurate or not.

However, I do think it is well recognized by those researching such things that whatever the rate of myocarditis due to the vaccine, it is significantly lower than the rate of same reaction caused from COVID infection itself. MOO

Just to add ..... I imagine they have tailored the vaccines to try to minimise/eliminate known side effects and dangers. I think it would be part of their updating of the vaccines.

The reports about myocarditis were very early in the picture. And I wonder if there is enough accurate public information now to know if many (or any) more have been affected in this way in recent years.

 

[Gemmie]

Do they give the ages of the patients studied?

Yes.

The mortality gap was especially pronounced among adults aged 18 to 64 years (adjusted odds ratio [OR], 2.93), hospitalized patients (aOR, 2.55), and those who had a heart attack (aOR, 2.24), chronic lung disease (aOR, 1.94), or diabetes (aOR, 1.81). Adults aged 65 and older also had increased risk, though the relative odds were lower than those of the 18- to 40-year cohort (aOR, 1.95).

One possible explanation for the age-related differences, note the authors, is Korea’s prioritization of COVID vaccines for older adults and those in high-risk groups. They also cite differences in coverage between the two vaccines and differences in vaccine uptake as contributing factors. Among adults 65 and older, uptake for influenza vaccines was 82.5% in 2023-24 but only 45% for COVID.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

After our cleaning lady leaves tomorrow, DH and I will go to Meijer for our Covid shots. No appointment needed. We will pick up a few items for the next few days and don't have to go out anywhere on NYE or New Year's Day (except to pick up Thai takeout). I haven't ever had more than a sore arm following the injections, but DH sometimes runs a low-grade fever with chills and minor fatigue. Tylenol and a nap are usually all he needs for recovery. Since we canceled our cruise for a number of reasons, it didn't seem urgent to get the shots earlier. It's probably not imperative for me as much as it is for DH because he goes to the gym and swims three or four times a week, while I'm pretty much a homebody.