Coronavirus - COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #24

[realanastasia]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...71769e-63e8-11ea-845d-e35b0234b136_story.html

The section on Spring Breakers blithely congregating on beaches, in bars, on the streets and in the airports is simply galling. Several who are quoted seem to be living embodiments of “entitlement” and self-absorption. I hope their parents/grandparents get to see this article just so they are aware these young people simply couldn’t care less about their health and well-being.

 

[MyBelle]

JMO

"In the days leading up to last Friday, Life Care staff and first responders were using nebulizers and CPAP machines to treat patients. “We essentially aerosolized it,” one first responder said, because before last Friday, that was standard protocol to treat patients."
The ominous days leading up to the coronavirus outbreak in the Seattle area

The delays are why patients died. A nebulizer and a CPAP machine are not ventilators. Those patients should have been transported to hospitals for admission. I really get tired of first responders being blamed for the ineptitude of staff.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

JMO


The delays are why patients died. A nebulizer and a CPAP machine are not ventilators. Those patients should have been transported to hospitals for admission. I really get tired of first responders being blamed for the ineptitude of staff.

JMO

They were taken to hospitals, if they were in acute distress, which is crystal clear from the links I posted.

 

[whitelilac]

S. Korea. Just found this chart... look at the connections and contacts.
What amazing tracking they've done !

The Korean Clusters
How coronavirus cases exploded in South Korean churches and hospitals

2019 coronavirus: The Korean clusters

 

[jjenny]

S. Korea. Just found this chart... look at the connections and contacts.
What amazing tracking they've done !

The Korean Clusters
How coronavirus cases exploded in South Korean churches and hospitals

2019 coronavirus: The Korean clusters

They are testing far and wide, unlike US. Obviously tracing contacts far and wide too. Here I keep reading how people with symptoms can't get tested despite asking repeatedly.

 

[MyBelle]

How could you possibly know that?

Because I have seen it in my own community.

 

[kmclaren]

Amazon has stepped in and stopped this couple and others from reselling on their site:

Amazon blocks thousands of resellers during COVID-19 crisis, including Vancouver couple

B.C. couple confronted at Costco for buying bulk Lysol wipes to re-sell for profit

Vancouver pair tells the Star they've made $30K selling cleaning products on Amazon during COVID-19 pandemic

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappen...g01Ly2hZ9RyIU0wYUsAgzGv3-lBCIC4pHmS5PxBTG3OYg

 

[Lilibet]

BBM. Not so. Some of the patients were there recovering from surgical procedures such as knee replacements. The responding paramedics were alarmed quarantine protocol wasn't being followed by the nursing staff. Not a single mention of a ventilator in this news story. CPAP machines are not ventilators and this nation isn't Italy. 34 First responders exposed unnecessarily not to mention the victims this nursing home harmed via unprofessional nursing practices.

The ominous days leading up to the coronavirus outbreak in the Seattle area

Yes, the OP used the term “ventilator” in error. Not disputing the unprofessional nursing practices, but the very end of the article you linked and quoted from says that the firefighters inadvertently spread it using nebulizers and CPAP machines, which was standard protocol before they knew what they were dealing with. They are blaming themselves for making it worse. No one here or anywhere is blaming them.


In January, firefighters responded seven times to the Life Care facility. In February, and the first five days of March, they responded 33 times.

Firefighters are now grappling with the idea that coronavirus may have already been circulating at Life Care for weeks and that they, and Life Care workers, residents and visitors, had not been warned to take precautions, And that they may have inadvertently helped spread the virus farther.

In the days leading up to last Friday, Life Care staff and first responders were using nebulizers and CPAP machines to treat patients. “We essentially aerosolized it,” one first responder said, because before last Friday, that was standard protocol to treat patients.

“We made it worse,” he said.

BBM

The ominous days leading up to the coronavirus outbreak in the Seattle area

 

[gitana1]

Our restaurant, busy tonight and last night.
We are a bit of a social hub of doctors, lawyers and elders.
They are not buying the media's, The end of the world as we know it pitch".
Some told us that they purposely came to dinner at our place to support us.
My husband and myself, do not believe, that this virus is the end of the world as we know it either.
As to why, entire countries have shut down EVERYTHING.
I have no answers.
The deaths are very low, throughout the world.
Yes, there is PANIC.
But, numbers do Not lie.
You all know that there is media that makes money on your every click.
I wish that the media cared more about the human race, instead of money.
Just consider this. Please.
Stop the panic.
We'll be fine.

I’m so glad you had business.

I think Italy, China and Iran are why countries are shutting down. Because even though most people survive the numbers that need hospital care, respirators, intensive care are clearly more than most health systems can handle. People over 60 or with certain health conditions in Italy are being left to die, untreated, because there aren’t enough workers and there isn’t enough equipment to treat everyone who needs care. That’s why the death rates start to increase. This could be millions dead of this plague.

I’m at a loss. How do we make sure small business owners survive and also stop the spread?

This is terrible.

 

[Yesiamapirate]

rbbm
Covid-19 is not the flu. It’s worse.
Put simply, while the exact death rate is not yet clear, this disease kills a larger proportion of people than the flu (and it’s particularly lethal for people older than 80).

A comparison of flu death rates to Covid-19 deaths in China in the period leading up to the peak of the country’s outbreak. The exact fatality rate of Covid-19 is not yet known, but it appears much deadlier than the flu.
Max Roser and Hannah Ritchie/Our World in Data
''It also has a higher potential to overwhelm our health care system and hurt people with other illnesses.

At present, there is also no vaccine to combat it, nor any approved therapeutics to slow the course of its toll on the human body. (Doctors can treat cytokine storm syndrome, an immune response that may in some cases be dealing the fatal blow to those dying of Covid-19.)

Sober-minded epidemiologists say, without exaggeration, that 20 to 60 percent of the world’s adult population could end up catching this virus.''

''Biologically, it behaves differently than the flu. It takes around five days for Covid-19 infection to develop symptoms. For the flu, it’s two days. That potentially gives people more time to spread the illness asymptomatically before they know they are sick.''

''Three months ago, this virus was not known to science. No human immune system had seen it before January, so no unexposed human has any natural immunity to it. That means it’s more contagious than the flu — about twice as contagious, perhaps more; the numbers are still being worked out.''

'People have been trying to underplay this': Why the coronavirus is different from the flu

''Experts are still trying to calculate precisely what the mortality rate of the coronavirus is, but it appears to be many times higher than that of the flu.

"If you get the flu, 99.9 percent of people are going to be just fine."

''While the flu follows a distinct seasonal pattern every year, no one knows yet what the coronavirus pattern will look like.''

''Efforts to develop a vaccine for it are underway, but nothing exists to prevent it at the moment. With the flu, a vaccine is manufactured each year to keep up with the constantly mutating genes of the flu strains. Those who catch the flu have some immunity against catching the same strain again — something that is not yet possible with the coronavirus.''

Thank you for this reply. Cut pasted and saved for future reference. And passed on to family!

 

[Curious Me]

A survivor in a news article made it sound like she bounced back fine, but that's making light of the damage Covid-19 could do. It seems it damages the lungs.

Some survivors may be left gasping for air when walking fast.

Some recovered Covid-19 patients may have lung damage, doctors say ...

"...said doctors had already seen around a dozen discharged patients in follow-up appointments. Two to three were unable to do things as they had in the past."

“They gasp if they walk a bit more quickly,” Tsang told a media briefing on Thursday. “Some patients might have around a drop of 20 to 30 per cent in lung function [after recovery].”​

 

[Amonet]

Not sure how Alex Altman is qualified to opine that a sufficient number of people are going to die to warrant closing down entire cities and countries. He's free to stay home.

How does one quantify a 'sufficient' number of people dying of this? I think that is missing the point.

Do you wait until you've had a 'sufficient' number of deaths before you introduce social distancing? Or do you try to introduce social distancing in order to reduce the total number of deaths that will happen in future?

And it's not just deaths....if the hospitals are overwhelmed, then there will be more deaths. So to have fewer deaths, you first need to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed with people who have pneumonia and need either oxygen or ICU beds.

Waiting for a 'sufficient' number of deaths is the exact opposite of the sensible thing to do. That's the way to end up with a 'sufficient' number of deaths that you look back and wish you'd done something different earlier on.

Looking back in a year and saying, "wow, we got through it and had relatively low number of hospital admissions and deaths!" might make some people feel that the measures went too far. But if the measures hadn't been taken, then you might not be looking back and thinking you away relatively unscathed.

 

[MyBelle]

They were taken to hospitals, if they were in acute distress, which is crystal clear from the links I posted.

The point is that the Kirkland Fire Department should not have been calling the shots about what was needed. That wasn't their job, it was the job of the local and state health departments which were coordinating care everywhere else. The Princess cruise passengers were being sent to quarantine at military facilities with close coordination with the CDC. No fire department should be determining the primary care for a nursing home. That's not their job.

'Hope is not a strategy,' says Kirkland city manager of coronavirus response
The Life Care Center in Kirkland was the first such facility to report the novel virus. According to Public Health - Seattle & King County, there have been 22 COVID-19 deaths associated with Life Care Center.

Triplett provided insight into how a city such as his is facing what is now deemed a global pandemic. He notes that his city’s firefighters first noticed an excessive number of calls coming from the facility in late February. The fire department quickly notified the local health department that something like a flu could be going around the Life Care Center.

“What evolved over the next week is that the Kirkland Fire Department became the primary medical care for that facility,” Triplett told KUOW. “They were calling 911 repeatedly. We were going in. We were dealing with patients. We were making decisions on the ground whether to transport that patient or not. So we’ve really been front-and-center for the original response to the Life Care Center."

 

[Squinchy]

Our restaurant, busy tonight and last night.
We are a bit of a social hub of doctors, lawyers and elders.
They are not buying the media's, The end of the world as we know it pitch".
Some told us that they purposely came to dinner at our place to support us.
My husband and myself, do not believe, that this virus is the end of the world as we know it either.
As to why, entire countries have shut down EVERYTHING.
I have no answers.
The deaths are very low, throughout the world.
Yes, there is PANIC.
But, numbers do Not lie.
You all know that there is media that makes money on your every click.
I wish that the media cared more about the human race, instead of money.
Just consider this. Please.
Stop the panic.
We'll be fine.

I have been reading this site for years. I finally signed up and just have to say I agree with you (my first post)

 

[gitana1]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...71769e-63e8-11ea-845d-e35b0234b136_story.html

The section on Spring Breakers blithely congregating on beaches, in bars, on the streets and in the airports is simply galling. Several who are quoted seem to be living embodiments of “entitlement” and self-absorption. I hope their parents/grandparents get to see this article just so they are aware these young people simply couldn’t care less about their health and well-being.

They’re not all just young people.

 

[Sweetsbeach]

S. Korea. Just found this chart... look at the connections and contacts.
What amazing tracking they've done !

The Korean Clusters
How coronavirus cases exploded in South Korean churches and hospitals

2019 coronavirus: The Korean clusters

Wow, how bad would it feel to be patient 31?

 

[gitana1]

Because I have seen it in my own community.

We haven’t had what’s coming in any community in the US, yet.

 

[gregjrichards]

I have been reading this site for years. I finally signed up and just have to say I agree with you (my first post)

Welcome to Websleuths @Squinchy Thank you so much for joining us.

 

[Sillybilly]

Bumping Tricia's post from earlier in these CoVid19 threads. Please "Expand" and read it in its entirety. Failure to abide by the following will result in a thread ban.

OK, I AM YELLING AGAIN AND I AM GETTING ANGRY.

IF YOU FEEL THIS IS A HOAX - IF YOU FEEL THIS IS ALL "FAKE NEWS" THEN DO NOT POST ON THIS THREAD. STAY OFF THIS THREAD. THIS THREAD IS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TAKING THE VIRUS SERIOUSLY AND WANT TO POST ABOUT FACTS AND ABOUT SOLUTIONS. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO YOUR OPINION BUT YOUR OPINION WILL CAUSE THIS THREAD DO GO UP IN FLAMES AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN COME HERE AND GET FACTS. WE NEED TO TAKE THIS VIRUS SERIOUSLY AND THAT IS WHY THIS THREAD IS ON WEBSLEUTHS. PLEASE GO TO ANOTHER DISCUSSION IN THE MISSING OR IN COLD CASES AND DO SOME GOOD.

Not yelling now. We should not get hysterical about the virus but we need to discuss this virus seriously. A big difference between the two. In the same vein, we should not shrug our shoulders and say it's no big deal and it is a media hysteria.

While I respect you have the right to your opinion I have the right to ask you to leave this thread so we can discuss the virus without disruption.

Rarely do I pull this statement out but here it comes; I am the owner and the final decisions on what can be discussed and rules are all on me. I want to be as inclusive as possible but in a real National Emergency declared by the president, I have a responsibility to make sure we discuss the facts and we discuss virus in a logical and factual way.

Thank you.
Tricia.
PS. I am not getting hysterical about the virus I am getting angry at the thought of how fast this thread could literally shut the whole forum down, Our wonderful mods do not need the stress.

 

[MyBelle]

We haven’t had what’s coming in any community in the US, yet.

People have been coming together in my community for days. They are determining how to distribute school lunches, volunteering to do child care, offering to purchase groceries for the elderly.