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  • #841
Tl;dr: What can I do to mitigate the health risks posed by the multiple home health care aides who come to my elderly parents' home three times a day to assist my dad with ADLs?

I feel your pain, Lilibet--my wheelchair-bound father, who's 83, relies on home health care aides to help him with many ADLs (activities of daily living) because my mom, 72, is physically incapable of doing so due to asthma, obesity, and HBP). There are usually three different people there throughout the day (one comes from 8-12, another from 1-4, another from 5-8) as well as occasional visits from physical therapists, nurses, etc.

I really like and trust the vast majority of the folks who help my dad, and the agency they work for seems to do a pretty good job screening its employees, but there are a few that I suspect aren't going to take this seriously (people who have previously come to work with the sniffles, have a habit of touching their faces/putting their fingers in their mouths, etc.). Many of these folks are themselves 60+ years old, and some work second or even third jobs at nursing homes/care facilities that we all know are rife with various germs/viruses.

To be brutally honest, I do not expect that my parents, if infected with CV, would survive. And thinking about the number of vectors of disease they're exposed to IN THEIR OWN HOME, EVERY SINGLE DAY, has me paralyzed with fear. I don't know what to do, or to advise them to do--do I move back to my childhood home and (after quaratining myself for 14 days) try to handle my dad's care on my own (I'm 41, and in pretty good physical health), leaving my immunocompromised partner (and her elderly parents who live next door) to fend for themselves?

Do I ask the agency to avoid scheduling the folks with the questionable hygiene habits? Aside from insisting that all the aides wash their hands thoroughly when they arrive or that they wear latex gloves when they touch my dad and prepare his food, is there anything else I can do to mitigate the risk these carers pose?Ideally I'd like them to wear masks for the ADLs that require them to be in really close proximity to my dad (i.e. when he transfers from a wheelchair to a stationary recliner, the aide has to stand very close to him so that their heads are probably 10-12 inches apart at most) but I know how great the need is for masks right now for healthcare facility workers/EMTs, so I would not propose this.

This all may end up being a moot point, since I would not be surprised to hear that some of these home health aides are calling out/quitting to preserve their own health and well-being or because they have to care for their young children since there's no school for at least two weeks in PA (no judgement--I can understand making those decisions). But I would not be surprised if there comes a point in the not-too-distant future where intra-state travel restrictions mean that I'm going to have to either commit to moving home and becoming a caregiver until the crisis abates, or accept that I may not see my parents for several months and trusting that their aides will a) keep showing up b) practice good hygiene c) not come to work sick, which is why I'm considering it now.
JMO It’s very stressful making these type of life decisions. I struggled with different scenarios and decided on a caregiver role due to similar circumstances you described above. We are implementing a protocol whereas anyone (home health,aides, PT, OT, etc) must come in via the garage where we have a table next to a sink. Wash hands.
Paper towels. Trash cans. The agency said they would abide by our request.
Similar to the isolation ante room you see in hospitals. Which is where we got the idea.
All JMO
Prayers for all
 
  • #842
My mid-70s dad runs the food pantry at his church. He is exposed to large numbers of people every day in close quarters. He will not stop serving them, and I understand that. It's who he is. His clients (Houston area) are having a harder time than ever getting food, and he will not leave them. I expect he still die of this virus and I think he has the right to choose that risk.

However, my mom isn't happy about her exposure as a result. I've asked her to come stay with me for an extended period of time in Fort Worth and she's thinking about it.
 
  • #843
That’s true but we don’t know the death rate yet for Covid 19. I think it’s going to be WAY lower than we think. Time will tell. But just from sheer numbers 2,000 so far cases in US compared to 61,000,000 in US for swine flu.
2,000 cases are those who have been tested. Because community transmission is occurring, there is no DOUBT that actual number of cases is much higher.
And by the way, US is already up to 2,759 official cases. And it's going to increase dramatically if US is going to actually test those with symptoms.
Tracking Every Coronavirus Case in the U.S.: Full Map
 
  • #844
Mayor of New Jersey COVID-19 Hub Urges Township of 40,000 to Self-Quarantine

“Teaneck's mayor called for a citywide self quarantine after the number of cases in the town jumped to 18 Saturday.

At last check, Teaneck had the majority of presumptive positive cases in Bergen County”

[...]

“The mayor of a town in Bergen County, New Jersey, is calling for a citywide quarantine amid a rise in COVID-19 cases.

Teaneck Mayor Mohammed Hameeduddin said the town of 40,000 needs to take the necessary sacrifices.

"They should stay home. When I say stay home that doesn't mean go out to lunch with your friends across the street. That means no play dates, that means your nuclear family stays with your nuclear family. I'm not visiting my sister, I'm not visiting my parents. That is the best way to stop the spread of this," said Mayor Hameeduddin.”
 
  • #845
I love this. Ain’t the time to play ( or play around)

(Poor kids)

How can they even wrap their heads around this? Adults can’t even do this...I can’t even do this...

Some kids must be really scared. I recall how scared some students have been during mass shooter drills, etc.

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ETA: I’d be curious to hear what all your children and grandchildren are saying to you guys about all this, how you are approaching the subject, what their responses are, etc.

I’m sure they are bummed about not being able to see their friends and do their activities.
I FaceTimed with my grandson yesterday. He's almost 3 (next month), and they live in North Jersey, right across the Hudson from NYC. Their town has closed schools, including his Kiddie Academy. They have roped off the parks and closed the libraries & museums.

He's a good kid, a happy kid who loves to be out, and really is well behaved, for the major part (parents have worked on it with him since he was born). But yesterday he was upset and hitting the dog, yelling at his parents.... And he was upset that I was on the "phone" and not there. And he was playing with his trucks...inside on the coffee table.

He is too young to understand really, so I feel for families like this who may want to explain it, but have no real answer to give about why "we are stuck in the house with nowhere to go." "Why can't we go play in the park?' When is Gramma coming to see me?'

Daughter and SIL are also (trying) to work from home and take care of him at the same time. Chaos...but could be worse, so I'm thankful for the small things.
 
  • #846
#BREAKING ATLANTA (AP) -- Georgia's March 24 presidential primaries have been postponed until May because of fears over the #coronavirus. #fox5atl #COVID19 #YouDecide2020
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STAY HOME, SAVE LIVES

This makes sense to me. A lot of people from all walks of life are very close to each other in the voting precincts. We are lifelong Georgia residents who have faithfully voted in all elections

Instead of going to vote like we always have done we plan to do a mail in ballot this time.

Jmho
 
  • #847
I FaceTimed with my grandson yesterday. He's almost 3 (next month), and they live in North Jersey, right across the Hudson from NYC. Their town has closed schools, including his Kiddie Academy. They have roped off the parks and closed the libraries & museums.

He's a good kid, a happy kid who loves to be out, and really does have the best behavior (parents have worked on it with him since he was born). But yesterday he was upset and hitting the dog, yelling at his parents.... And he was upset that I was on the "phone" and not there.

He is too young to understand really, so I feel for families like this who may want to explain it, but have no real answer to give about why "we are stuck in the house with nowhere to go." "Why can't we go play in the park?' When is Gramma coming to see me?'

Daughter and SIL are also (trying) to work from home and take care of him at the same time. Chaos...but could be worse, so I'm thankful for the small things.
Human beings are social animals. So it's hard on everybody.
 
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Health officials announce 20 more cases of COVID-19; 66 total in state
Updated: Mar 15, 2020 / 06:52 AM

“CHICAGO — There are now 66 COVID-19 cases in the state after 20 were announced Saturday, including a downstate woman in critical condition.”

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“As we expected, we are beginning to identify cases of COVID-19 outside of the Chicago area,” said Gov. J.B. Pritzker. “Over the past several days, we have announced aggressive measures to reduce and slow the spread of the virus in Illinois. These are not easy decisions to make and we are not taking them lightly, but we believe these actions will help limit the spread of the virus in our communities and keep our residents safe.”

Cases have extended downstate to Cumberland, St. Clair, and Woodford counties. There are seven new cases in Chicago, four in suburban Cook, one in Kane, and one in Lake counties.”

[...]

“"If you are young and healthy listen up," Gov. Pritzker said. "We need you to follow social distancing guidelines too. You can have the unintended tragic effect of spreading COVID-19 to those who are more vulnerable."”
 
  • #850
Mar 15, 2020 Last Updated: 7 minutes ago
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/coronavirus-covid19-march-15-canada-world-1.5498348
'Some of the latest developments:
The official national tally of confirmed cases is at least 250.
  • Saskatchewan announced four new presumptive cases late Saturday.
  • Nova Scotia and the three territories are the only areas that have not confirmed a case.
  • Quebec, Ontario announced new restrictions on who can visit long-term care facilities.'

  • ''In Ontario, chief medical officer of health Dr. David Williams urged long-term care residences to bar access to all but "essential visitors." That group was defined as the relative of anyone who is dying or gravely ill, as well as the parent or guardian of a sick child or youth.

    Quebec Premier François Legault took things one step further by advising anyone over the age of 70 to stay home until further notice and implementing a provincewide ban on visitors to hospitals and seniors' residences.''

  • ''Michael Bociurkiw @WorldAffairsPro
    What happens when sudden, ill-prepared travel restrictions and screening introduced. This is said to be the scene at #OHareAirport in Chicago. Reportedly +5 hour waits to reach baggage claim. The situation creates conditions ripe for disease spread. #CoronaVirus #COVID19 #travel



    1:57 AM - Mar 15, 2020 · Manhattan, NY
  • ''Here's what's happening in the U.S.

    Trump announced Saturday that the United States will expand its European travel restrictions to include Britain and Ireland as the U.S., armed with new tools against the pandemic, braced for it to get worse before it gets better. The government's top infection expert warned that COVID-19 may surge within the nation in coming days.

    Under the restrictions on European travel, American citizens, green card holders and others are still allowed to return home to the U.S., but will be funnelled to 13 airports and be subjected to health screenings and quarantine orders.''




 
  • #851
FLORIDA=
now 115 cases
4 deaths
1 in 4 testing positive
Gov. says many of new cases coming in from NY.
TSA Agent- Orlando Int. Airport Positive
Cluster building in Broward Co./South Fl.

COVID-19 | Florida Department of Health
And....they had to close down parts of Miami South Beach yesterday because of the crowds....I'm beginning to wonder about the intelligence of our country....
 
  • #852
Coronavirus updates: Montgomery Co. law enforcement officer who tested presumptive positive in critical condition
9:37 PM CDT March 13, 2020

“ A Patton Village police officer who tested presumptive positive for coronavirus is in critical condition, according to officials.

The man, who is in his 40s, is still currently hospitalized. He was confirmed at the first presumptive positive COVID-19 case in Montgomery County.

MARCH 13 5:30 p.m. — Mayor Sylvester Turner gave an update on the city's coronavirus response, saying expanded testing is expected to begin in Houston next week. Health department officials said their lab has capacity to test an estimated 600 people, a two-fold increase in capacity since local testing on March 4.”
 
  • #853
Just watching NY Mayor DeBlasio being interviewed on tv. He made a good point that the federal government needs to temporarily take over the US supply chain. Its the only way to get necessary medical equipment, supplies, drugs, etc. where they need to be in order to squelch the pandemic.

Yeah, we've done this before in wartime and this is as critical as wartime. The process for doing this is already in place, examples of how we've done it before are out there.

Ohio governor was also on, saying its possible schools will be closed for the rest of the school year.
 
  • #854
Ryanair reduces flights to Spain after country imposes lockdown to tackle coronavirus

RYANAIR SAYS THAT it is reducing its flights to Spain, the Balearic Islands and the Canary Islands until the 19 March.

The airline will “severely reduce” flights to the country over the coming days.

The decision comes after Spain imposed a near-total nationwide lockdown, banning people from leaving home except to go to work, get medical care and buy food.



The disease has claimed 196 lives in the country so far, making it the worst-hit European nation after Italy.

The Irish government is currently advising against non-essential travel to Spain.
 
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Another thing I recommend (sorry for repeats, we have new members in here) is if you’re going to buy a huge bag of dog food, you can freeze some in baggies so it stays fresh, moo.

We only have one precious dog now our Tuxie who weighs 10 pounds. We have 4 outside cats though so my hubby buys large bags of food for them.

We've always used tightly sealed containers for our dog, and cat foods.

If you get one that really seals tightly their food stays much fresher for much longer.

Jmhoo
 
  • #857
And....they had to close down parts of Miami South Beach yesterday because of the crowds....I'm beginning to wonder about the intelligence of our country....
With Saint Patrick's Day this week, I'm betting there will be more NON social distancing. Listening to MSNBC on the car radio this morning, a guest speaker suggested moving St Pat's Day to October. JMO
 
  • #858
This makes sense to me. A lot of people from all walks of life are very close to each other in the voting precincts. We are lifelong Georgia residents who have faithfully voted in all elections

Instead of going to vote like we always have done we plan to do a mail in ballot this time.

Jmho

Wish we could, our election is Tuesday, so not enough time. I've been asked to volunteer to work at the polls. Hundreds of poll workers are refusing to work. Can't blame them, the pay is pretty much non-existent.
 
  • #859
Yeah, I don’t think tweets like that are helping anybody. Just fueling panic.
Oh my....three are for worse from doctors, researchers, politicians, public health workers, forecasters, healthcare workers. Anyone would have to be living under a rock to not be told of the gravity of this situation.

Now whether they want to listen, I'm assuming like yourself since you wrote this response, is a completely different story.

Hope you stay safe and do not completely ignore the warnings.
 
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And....they had to close down parts of Miami South Beach yesterday because of the crowds....I'm beginning to wonder about the intelligence of our country....


Wonder no longer my friend--_never overestimate the intelligence of
the American peop!e---combine that with people who just dont care
about other people and at this moment in time you have the perfect
storm for disaster
 
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