Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #37

[neesaki]

I don't see it as 'insane.' This same drug has been used for years by people with auto immune disease. No one is declaring it is a dangerous or toxic drug in those cases. The patients are happy with it and rely upon it's benefits.

Both China and France have used it with the C Virus, with some beneficial results. So why not test it on those with severe cases, to see if it is effective? What will a severely ill patient have to lose if there is no other treatment available?

There are patients who swear that this drug saved their lives recently. Some have done interviews. I saw a doctor interviewed, who was using it last month with great results, according to him.

I don't see anything in the above article that makes it seem like a 'crazy' idea to offer it to those in dire situations. JMO

Yes. There was also a doctor on talk radio a few days ago who has a suppressed immune system, and was talking about how she’s used this drug several times with good results and no negative side effects.
And the keyboardist with Bon Jovi said he was taking it, no reported negative effects, and he was improving. It seems like a safe drug if given at appropriate dosage.

This is wartime, there is no time for multiple clinical trials if we want to help people recover and save lives. This is the clinical trial, right here, right now. Come to think of it, as a cancer patient, I was in a clinical trial, took some badass, killer chemo. Not a proven cure or anything else, just a clinical trial to compare that regime of drugs versus another regimen of drugs versus placebo.

I guess my point is why would anyone complain about trying a drug that has a good safety record, on patients that very well may die without it? What other options are there? It’s wartime.

God bless all the doctors and other health professionals dealing with this crisis, as well as the patients. They need all the help, and all the hope they can get.

 

[musicaljoke]

Very Interesting, thank you , Stattlich. And also agree that their numbers are off, most likely by a long shot, IMO.

What numbers are off, the total cases, the total deaths, or the total new cases, and new deaths from one day to the next? What should the numbers looks like?

 

[neesaki]

On a lighter note, does anyone else think Dr. Birx resembles a younger Geraldine Page? Her voice even sounds similar, Imo.

Geraldine Page - IMDb

 

[neesaki]

What numbers are off, the total cases, the total deaths, or the total new cases, and new deaths from one day to the next? What should the numbers looks like?

Their numbers in general, as in agreeing with this part of Stattlichs post, apologies for the lack of clarity.

“If China's numbers are accurate, I'll eat my keyboard.

The Communist Chinese don't have a stellar record for being honest, in particular, when it comes to things that will make them look bad.”

 

[katydid23]

Yes. There was also a doctor on talk radio a few days ago who has a suppressed immune system, and was talking about how she’s used this drug several times with good results and no negative side effects.
And the keyboardist with Bon Jovi said he was taking it, no reported negative effects, and he was improving. It seems like a safe drug if given at appropriate dosage.

This is wartime, there is no time for multiple clinical trials if we want to help people recover and save lives. This is the clinical trial, right here, right now. Come to think of it, as a cancer patient, I was in a clinical trial, took some badass, killer chemo. Not a proven cure or anything else, just a clinical trial to compare that regime of drugs versus another regimen of drugs versus placebo.

I guess my point is why would anyone complain about trying a drug that has a good safety record, on patients that very well may die without it? What other options are there? It’s wartime.

God bless all the doctors and other health professionals dealing with this crisis, as well as the patients. They need all the help, and all the hope they can get.

I just came across this article:
Bahrain claims success with anti-malarial drug used on coronavirus patients
Al-Monitor Staff March 25, 2020
Bahrain claims success with anti-malarial drug used on coronavirus patients

Bahrain, according to the state-run Bahrain News Agency, is one of the first countries to use the decades-old malaria drug known as hydroxychloroquine to treat coronavirus patients. The agency quotes Lt. Gen. Dr. Shaikh Mohammed bin Abdullah Al Khalifa, the head of the Bahrain’s coronavirus task force, who said hydroxychloroquine had been effective in “alleviating the symptoms of the virus and reducing its complications.”

Doctors in Bahrain first used hydroxychloroquine, which is also a treatment for lupus and acute or chronic rheumatoid arthritis, on Feb. 26, Khalifa said.

 

[Tripod]

Yeah, he was criticized by the executive director of the nurse’s association for that. I guess what he said didn’t match the reality.

There was communication between the parties after that, and hopefully it’s being sorted out.

'It’s misleading’: Nurses union slams Cuomo on coronavirus protective gear claim

There's obviously going to be shortages in those especially hard-hit hospitals, but I honestly do think hospital management, local, state and fed agencies are doing the best they can. I guarantee NObody wants there to be a lack of PPE.
Hopefully each state will study and replenish all their own stockpiles accordingly, when things improve.

 

[MassGuy]

<modsnip> Twitter Tweeted out earlier that a hospital in the Midwest that he would not name, had run out of ventilators. He went on to say that they were distributing a document saying that they would be handing out pain medication for those who didn’t have the best chance of survival.

The hospital has since come out and debunked this, saying that the leaked document is their worst case scenario, and they are distributing no such form.

Unfortunately, <modsnip> in the media have already retweeted this garbage without vetting it. They will now go to bed, and by the time they get around to issuing corrections tomorrow morning (that will ultimately be buried in a mountain of other Tweets and retweets), it will become a fact.

It took me 30 seconds to figure out this wasn’t true, but some in the media couldn’t care less. When everyone is already on edge, there’s no reason to unnecessarily add to that fear.

The truth is bad enough.

Draft hospital letter leaks, outlining who gets ventilators in a shortage

Kasie Hunt on Twitter

It is happening here, in America. Doctors here are having to decide.

“Patients who have the best chance of getting better are our first priority.”

 

[MassGuy]

There's obviously going to be shortages in those especially hard-hit hospitals, but I honestly do think hospital management, local, state and fed agencies are doing the best they can. I guarantee NObody wants there to be a lack of PPE.
Hopefully each state will study and replenish all their own stockpiles accordingly, when things improve.

Yeah, the problem isn’t that the Federal government won’t supply these things, it’s that many of these things don’t exist in the first place.

Atleast not in the quantity that the states need.

Ventilators I get, but basic things like masks and gloves I don’t. I’m sure that this will serve as a huge lesson for the both state and federal authorities.

 

[Elley Mae]

SJPD finds cache of masks, donates them to hospitals

Tuesday, they found their treasure, in the form of a plastic-wrapped pallet of scores of boxes labeled 3M. They re-discovered 50,000 masks, and because the department had already loaded up on personal protective equipment in anticipation of the current pandemic, they were all technically surplus.

...

750,000 medical masks sit in Houston warehouse due to price-gouging allegations


750,000 medical masks sit in Houston warehouse due to price-gouging allegations

 

[Elley Mae]

U.S. government has 1.5 million expired N95 masks sitting in an Indiana warehouse

The N95 masks, which provide essential protection to medical personnel treating infected patients, are one of the items that have gone lacking in New York City hospitals and across the country in recent days as demand for equipment soars. Manufacturers have said the masks remain effective if stored properly, and the main risk with age is that the masks’ elastic bands can weaken and prevent a proper seal against a user’s face.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...d729c8-6f5b-11ea-96a0-df4c5d9284af_story.html

 

[Elley Mae]

Hunting down mask and such reminds me of the ending of raiders of the lost ark, warehouse full of boxes.

 

[Snoods]

I touched on this yesterday (with no response) and there was conversation last night as well.

WHERE is Governor Cuomo getting his figures that he needs 30,000 ventilators in 2 weeks?

If 1% of those infected require a ventilator, he is expecting 3 million active cases in New York in 14 days.

If 2% of those infected require a ventilator, he is expecting 1.5 million active cases in New York in 14 days.

Where is he getting the numbers? Jmo

I am transcribing from memory a conversation tonight between a cable tv host and a New York doctor who is treating Covid-19 patients.

I was painting my bathroom while listening to the news, and the host asked her about the shortage on ventilators in New York. She said they were not short on ventilators.

The host sounded so disappointed, saying “You’re not? But...listen to Governor Cuomo.”

Played a clip of Cuomo saying they were short on ventilators.

Doctor diplomatically refrains from criticizing Cuomo, but intimates overreaction. She says “We have not had a shortage, everyone who needs one has one. We are doing fine.”

Host says “But he said two people may have to share one ventilator.”

Doctor says “Sharing ventilators has been around since 2006, this is nothing new, but we have not had to do that.”

Sorry I don’t have a link to post. The host was Trace Gallagher and the doctor’s name sounded like “Elon.”

 

[badgersmythe]

UK's coronavirus death toll jumps to 474


Coronavirus UK: Death toll jumps to 578 with 11,658 cases | Daily Mail Online

 

[badgersmythe]

Former IBM factory near Glasgow offered to NHS amid coronavirus crisis


Coronavirus UK: Glasgow ex-IBM Factory to be crisis hospital | Daily Mail Online

 

[badgersmythe]

Russia is building SIXTEEN new coronavirus hospitals


Russia is building SIXTEEN new coronavirus hospitals | Daily Mail Online

 

[Snoods]

Ok, I’m crying now.

Harlan Coben on Twitter

It’s my allergies...okay fine, I’m tearing up too.

 

[Snoods]

I’m still amazed how many women in my area find it okay to gallivant from open store to open store with their children in tow. Some are old enough to stay home. Idk.....smh, do some moms not care they are willingly jeopardizing the health of their children? Jmo

I think they don’t believe their children will become ill, but they are willing to jeopardize the health of high risk people.

I have noticed an uptick in entire families out shopping. Mom, Dad, and multiple kids.

 

[Trino]

Treating this as a vacation...

 

[Snoods]

I can’t anymore with the cable news salivating over this 24/7.

Host “So is the worst thing you’ve ever seen?”

Guest “”Well, it’s certainly bad...”

Host “But doesn’t it have the possibility of being the worst thing you could imagine? Can we even predict the thousands that will die? Maybe millions?”

 

[Darling136]

Our grocery store has limited the number of people going shoping together, you are only allowed alone. This limits people standing around and forces them to shop and leave, but also limits a bit the amount (it is a city shop with just few parking spots).