Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #42

[nhmemorymaker]

Omg I just had two guys pull in my drive selling high dollar cleaning products. I was out back and walked around front, caught off guard. They would not leave, I threatened to call 911, finally they sped off.

been there.....thank god my barking dog was driving them crazy. woof!

 

[Footwarrior]

I don't get that either, I thought I had read that the ship was only half way after leaving it's port, I think Argentina ? So why didn't it just turn around and go back there instead of coming all the way to Florida. Anyone here who can clear that up in case I missed something? TIA

Fort Lauderdale is the home port for that ship.

 

[otto]

In recent past we dismissed these claims...these days I guess we have to look at everything with a grain of hope...

Netflix Pandemic was too boring - IMHO. If someone has a vaccine, everyone would know.

 

[Lilibet]

I'm glad someone else brought this up. I had the awful thought the other night how embarrassing it will be if I end up in an ER lol. Jmo

Well, if a trip to ER with hairy legs isn’t enough incentive for me to fire up the pruning shears, I don’t know what it will take!

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Omg I just had two guys pull in my drive selling high dollar cleaning products. I was out back and walked around front, caught off guard. They would not leave, I threatened to call 911, finally they sped off.

been there.....thank god my barking dog was driving them crazy. woof!

I can't believe 6000 people got on cruises during this. Poor Florida.

Oh, wait. Yes, I can believe it, since apparently people just can't stay home.

i dunno.... there were cruise ships just as cheery as could be back in late Feb that were bragging how safe and wonderful they were.... I think they will pay bigtime down the road, for this behavior.

 

[Bennettfit]

Family of dead British man appeal to Florida to let Zaandam dock

"Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, has said the passengers, many of whom are elderly, cannot be “dumped” in his state, dismissing them as mostly “foreigners”. On Tuesday, the US president, Donald Trump, said he would speak to DeSantis about allowing the cruise liners into port, but no local permission has yet been given.

Brown appealed to local officials in Broward county, south-east Florida, to let the Zaandam and Rotterdam into port. She said her aunt was stuck in a room with her husband’s possessions and was desperate to get off the ship.

She told the Guardian: “It has been horrendous. As soon as it happened, they had to go into isolation. She’s obviously isolated in a room with all of her husband’s items. She is not feeling well herself, she has got symptoms – a really severe cough. I have just spoken to her and she is coughing away. She is completely isolated grieving my uncle. She’s only got one channel on the TV – the news.”

Brown, an NHS midwife, said she did not know if her uncle, a businessman, had tested positive for Covid-19, but he was on a ventilator before he died. Three other people have died on the Zaandam, while nine have tested positive for Covid-19 and dozens of others are ill with flu-like symptoms.

Brown said her uncle had been feeling well on the Friday before he died but quickly deteriorated after visiting the cruise liner’s medical centre on Saturday.

Appealing to local officials and to Trump, Brown said: “These are people. They are people that are unwell and they need to get home. It is the most inhumane thing. I feel desperately sorry for the crew. I feel like the crew is being ignored and it’s all about the passengers. These are human beings and they need help, whatever nationality they are from.

“We need to allow them to dock. They cannot just leave people who are seriously ill out at sea. They have tried to put a plan in place, but they have to allow the ship to dock initially first. You cannot just leave people out at sea with nothing. More people are going to die.” "

These people boarded the cruise ship on March 7 in Buenos Aires bound for Chile, at that time the risks were well known but knowing this they decided to accept those risks. Choices have consequences, wish them luck and send them on their way.

 

[Trudie]

Idk, I am asking, is there an anticipated interruption to SS payments?

Good point! I hadn't thought of that. They don't need the checks, the people who no longer have an income from their job need the checks. Something's wrong with the picture. Why would people on SS who have a sustaining gov't income need a bonus check?

 

[NuttMegg]

SS payments have not been interrupted, correct? So there is little covid financial impact to SS beneficiaries? In other words, they still receive their usual amount, as if there is no hideous virus?

No interruption in SS so far. But we're talking about 2019 for the filing. But now there's financial impact with not being able to shop, not being able to go to the doctor, and of course if that older person is sharing an apartment with a relative who has lost a job....
Also many SS recipients still work, and they may have lost that job or self employment.
And, they may be drawing from 401K's that suddenly are decimated.
And lower COLA now that the fed lowered interest rates.

 

[Footwarrior]

Half of the passengers are from the US and Canada though.

Fort Lauderdale is also the home port for that ship.

 

[Wicked Strong]

Family of dead British man appeal to Florida to let Zaandam dock

"Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, has said the passengers, many of whom are elderly, cannot be “dumped” in his state, dismissing them as mostly “foreigners”. On Tuesday, the US president, Donald Trump, said he would speak to DeSantis about allowing the cruise liners into port, but no local permission has yet been given.

Brown appealed to local officials in Broward county, south-east Florida, to let the Zaandam and Rotterdam into port. She said her aunt was stuck in a room with her husband’s possessions and was desperate to get off the ship.

She told the Guardian: “It has been horrendous. As soon as it happened, they had to go into isolation. She’s obviously isolated in a room with all of her husband’s items. She is not feeling well herself, she has got symptoms – a really severe cough. I have just spoken to her and she is coughing away. She is completely isolated grieving my uncle. She’s only got one channel on the TV – the news.”

Brown, an NHS midwife, said she did not know if her uncle, a businessman, had tested positive for Covid-19, but he was on a ventilator before he died. Three other people have died on the Zaandam, while nine have tested positive for Covid-19 and dozens of others are ill with flu-like symptoms.

Brown said her uncle had been feeling well on the Friday before he died but quickly deteriorated after visiting the cruise liner’s medical centre on Saturday.

Appealing to local officials and to Trump, Brown said: “These are people. They are people that are unwell and they need to get home. It is the most inhumane thing. I feel desperately sorry for the crew. I feel like the crew is being ignored and it’s all about the passengers. These are human beings and they need help, whatever nationality they are from.

“We need to allow them to dock. They cannot just leave people who are seriously ill out at sea. They have tried to put a plan in place, but they have to allow the ship to dock initially first. You cannot just leave people out at sea with nothing. More people are going to die.” "

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I'm not sure how to respond to this, it is truly disgusting of the gov of Florida. Most people all over the world are not without compassion, but the gov of Florida seems to turn away from a human response, dumped? I get it that he wants to protect his state citizens, yet he allowed the beaches to be full of spring breakers maybe because they spent money and he knows the dead will not. If he can't find a way to help the people on the ship, then tell the ship to travel elsewhere and not leave them in limbo. And please, close the ports in Florida. I am sickened.

MOO

 

[10ofRods]

TBH we have only started taking notice in UK when they began cancelling games towards the end of the Six Nations Rugby tournament. These were between France, Italy, England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. I think the virus spread via those games too.

UK basically used the Sweden model. Like Arkansas, I think. And maybe Ohio (can't tell yet). A lot like what Florida did.

Not criticizing, am on other forums where we're discussing this more in depth - every nation has its own approach. (Not liking the data from Sweden today, personally, but I can see my way to understanding why they do it).

 

[Trudie]

been there.....thank god my barking dog was driving them crazy. woof!


i dunno.... there were cruise ships just as cheery as could be back in late Feb that were bragging how safe and wonderful they were.... I think they will pay bigtime down the road, for this behavior.

Their product is guaranteed to kill Covid germs from surfaces, lmbo.

 

[Tony1902]

Me too. She’s amazing. I just hate that Dolly Parton and I were born six days apart and she looks sooooo much better than I do! It must be that she’s six days younger.

Nope darlin Botox juviderm & a great plastic surgeon

 

[otto]

These people boarded the cruise ship on March 7 in Buenos Aires bound for Chile, at that time the risks were well known but knowing this they decided to accept those risks. Choices have consequences, wish them luck and send them on their way.

It's also possible that passengers believed information that the virus was hoax/hype, that it would blow over in a couple of weeks, that it only attacked sick old people, and, they may have thought that when they got off the ship two weeks later the virus would be nothing more than a bad memory.

I think that public information about the virus was lacking, and that is why some people decided that the great cruise deals were too good to pass up.

 

[10ofRods]

Fort Lauderdale is also the home port for that ship.

What does "home port" mean in this context? Surely Fort Lauderdale is not where this ship is registered. Do you mean that it originated there? If so, then...I think Ft L should take the ship back - it let it go out, it must let it come back.

 

[otto]

I'm not sure how to respond to this, it is truly disgusting of the gov of Florida. Most people all over the world are not without compassion, but the gov of Florida seems to turn away from a human response, dumped? I get it that he wants to protect his state citizens, yet he allowed the beaches to be full of spring breakers maybe because they spent money and he knows the dead will not. If he can't find a way to help the people on the ship, then tell the ship to travel elsewhere and not leave them in limbo. And please, close the ports in Florida. I am sickened.

MOO

Imagine if Japan had refused to help all the sick people on the cruise ship. That would not have gone over too well. It's the same situation today. There are people on the ship who need burial and medical treatment and they need to do what Japan did the first time this happened.

 

[Bennettfit]

Half of the passengers are from the US and Canada though.

Only 138 passengers on that ship have US Passports, let them disembark directly into a military base quarantine. The others can be taken to their country of citizenship, Florida already has enough problems of their own.

 

[otto]

Their product is guaranteed to kill Covid germs from surfaces, lmbo.

Is it called soap?

 

[tresir2012]

Fort Lauderdale is also the home port for that ship.

What about the Rotterdam? There are two ships, the Zaandam and the Rotterdam.

 

[Rocco]

If you're collecting social security and haven't filed a tax return you will receive no relief money.

My understanding of how it reads is that if you normally don't file a tax return because you are receiving SS and your income isn't high enough, you won't automatically get relief money. However, if you have other income besides your SS and filed a return in 2018, you will automatically get a check.
No?