Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #42

[epiphany]

Will anything good come out of this horror? We know most of the bad things.

1) Americans know 1000x more about a pandemic than they did before.
2) Governments relearned the hard way what is needed to combat a pandemic. It won't be ignored going forward, and they will be held accountable.
3) Americans (including me) have learned the importance of flu shots (it's not about you, dummy).
4) People are stepping up and helping neighbors.
5) Pollution is reduced, creating a possible vision of what could be.
6) Possible momentum for universal health care.
7) Time spent with family.
8) New recipes.
9) Self-evaluation of health status (what lifestyle changes are needed).

What else?

- Health care workers, store clerks, truck drivers, delivery service workers, grocery workers and all workers on the front lines may get the respect they deserve

- An end to The Handshake

 

[margarita25]

So I noticed that both this morning and yesterday morning, that right when I woke up and hadn’t even opened my eyes yet that I had this awful heavy feeling of what I only know how to describe as deep depression. I was barely even awake, yet I could feel this awful depressed heavy feeling. Of course I’ve experienced depression before this, but just noting that the “ick” is really peeking it’s head out again. I look forward so much to coming here and reading everyone’s posts because it really really makes me feel better.

Now I’m crying LOL.

I think no yoga, been cooped up in here, stress, dread, worry for my family who are elderly and health workers is starting to take a toll. I feel sick.

So, I really have to be aware that this “invisible depression monster” is trying to get under me. I’m going to have to consciously fight this monster it seems. This means, as I’ve talked about before, really doing positive things to bring joy and help resume some sense of normalcy. I’ve been in the house for a month so no wonder I’m starting to lose it.

Goals: Clean and get house back in order.

Some of you may recall from the early days when I said I had a home issue which was going to require workers in the house and everyone advised against it unless it was an emergency. Well here is the deal - I was in the middle of planning to move to a new house. . But no way I was going to risk movers and a moving truck.

Anyway that all went to crap and I’m stuck here now, which is okay, but I was half packed, living out of boxes so to speak.

So now I have to get settled back into my house. Which will make me feel better, because everything is in disarray.

Thanks is for letting me ramble and thanks everyone for being here.

It’s so important remember during these emotional episodes that there is so much to be grateful for. I have so much. Others had no warning to get themselves food and supplies...

I’m financially stressed too. We all are.

Boohoo.

 

[gitana1]

@gitana1 this was released late last night

Coronavirus can spread through talking or breathing, prestigious panel tells White House - CNN

I’ve seen some of that. There have been reports to that effect for some time.

But I think that if it truly spread just from normal talking or breathing the rate of infection would be 90% of the population. But just to be conservative, if truly airborne like that, we could probably safely consider that 70% of our 7.8 billion population that could get it. Which would lead to about 1% of them dying. That’s 546 million people.

I personally don’t think that’s the case. The virus would be much more infectious than it appears to be. As it is it has a lower R0 than the measles. Far lower. The measles is much more airborne.

I do think that if you’re living with someone who is virulent and breathing the same air in an enclosed space or close together like in the same bed, your chances increase.

My biggest concern is walking into a room where someone has sneezed or coughed. If it was a couple seconds before that’s a danger. Especially if the area doesn’t have air circulation.

Healthcare workers are at higher risk because they’re in enclosed spaces with people coughing and sneezing forcefully.

I’m not a doctor or a scientist. But I did ask mine during a phone appointment. Health care officials are really trying to keep people apart because they can’t be counted on to not make mistakes when it comes to hygiene and stopping the spread. But my doctor did ultimately tell me that this spreads the same way a cold or flu does. Asymptomatic people can spread the flu as well.

How Flu Spreads

But unless your next to a person’s face when they breath or talk, there is no evidence you can get it. If an asymptomatic person coughs or sneezes from something else like an allergy or choking on food? Of course they can spread it.

Again, I’m not a doctor or scientist and thus no one should rely on my words. I’m just trying to use logic. And I think the real issue is too many still need convincing of the seriousness.

 

[branmuffin]

OMG. Many cruise ships are registered in third world countries because of cost. Can you imagine being ill and taken to who knows where?

No ships are registered in third world countries. The Netherlands, Bahamas, Italy and Panama are not third world countries. Most cruise ship companies register under foreign flags to avoid higher fees and to avoid consumer protection laws in the US. The downside of skirting those laws is now writ large.

 

[gitana1]

Could be. They definitely bailed out the big corps in 2009.

We always do.

 

[gregjrichards]

Man, 71, died of COVID-19 after he was infected by his grandson, 24, who disobeyed quarantine when returning from the US and attended his cousin’s 100-guest birthday bash where he infected at least 22, including four who are in ICU

Man, 71, died of COVID-19 after he was infected by his grandson in Argentina | Daily Mail Online

I hope people who are not taking this crisis seriously read this and see that their reckless behaviour can have fatal consequences.

#StayHomeSaveLives

 

[Reasonable & Just]

From today...April 2. On video. This cannot be...

"Finding out that this virus is now transmitting before people see signs, so what we've been telling people from directives from the CDC for weeks now that if you start feeling bad, stay home... those individuals could've been infecting people before they ever felt bad. But we didn't know that until the last 24 hours. And as Dr. Toomey told me, this is a game changer for us."

Georgia governor to order shelter in place to curb coronavirus

 

[Tony1902]

Hi all
I just tried to order my favorite beans, corn, cucumber & squash from different providers. Never in 45 years of seeding, sowing, propagating, transplanting have I ever seen page after page of the horrifying words ‘SOLD OUT’!! Any of y’all who can grow your own, if it isn’t in a catalogue, try your local feed and seed store. Not sure what they’re called anywhere else. Stay safe, stay strong— I am now officially scared. Bottle, please, make it swift! ;/

 

[LadyL]

Canada hits over 10,000 confirmed COVID-19 cases

Canada hits over 10,000 confirmed COVID-19 cases

 

[Trudie]

@gitana1 Menards bans children, pets in stores due to COVID-19 outbreak

 

[gregjrichards]

So I noticed that both this morning and yesterday morning, that right when I woke up and hadn’t even opened my eyes yet that I had this awful heavy feeling of what I only know how to describe as deep depression. I was barely even awake, yet I could feel this awful depressed heavy feeling. Of course I’ve experienced depression before this, but just noting that the “ick” is starting to peek it’s head out again. I look forward so much to coming here and reading everyone’s posts because it really really makes me feel better.

Now I’m crying LOL.

I think no yoga, been cooped up in here, stress, dread, worry for my family who are elderly and health workers is starting to take a toll. I feel sick.

So, I really have to be aware that this “invisible depression monster” is trying to get under me. I’m going to have to consciously fight this monster it seems. This means, as I’ve talked about before, really doing positive things to bring joy and help resume some sense of normalcy. I’ve been in the house for a month so no wonder I’m starting to lose it.

Goals: Clean and get house back in order.

Some of you may recall from the early days when I said I had a home issue which was going to require workers in the house and everyone advised against it unless it was an emergency. Well here is the deal - I was in the middle of planning to move to a new house. . But no way I was going to risk movers and a moving truck.

Anyway that all went to crap and I’m stuck here now, which is okay, but I was half packed, living out of boxes so to speak.

So now I have to get settled back into my house. Which will make me feel better, because everything is in disarray.

Thanks is for letting me ramble and thanks everyone for being here.

It’s so important remember during these emotional episodes that there is so much to be grateful for. I have so much. Others had no warning to get themselves food and supplies...

I’m really sorry @margarita25 I know you must be desperately worried about your loved ones. Please know we are all here for you and we will all get through this crisis together. You can talk with us anytime about how you are feeling.

 

[COSCitizen]

That's how I gave up some years ago now but naturally reducing. We were banned from smoking in the office and I hated going outside to smoke. I bought a brand new car for the first time and didn't want to smoke in it. So I stopped taking them to work even. My first cig then was about 6 PM when I got home from work. Then about another 6 or 7 thru the evening watching telly. Eventually I went to the doctor and asked for the patches and cartridges. He said how many do you smoke a day? I said 8 and he said well you are already on stage 3 and gave me the lowest dose patches. I just used to stick the patch on when I got home and had the cartridge if I needed it. It worked really well. I never smoked again. I had smoked for about 30 years.

That's pretty much how my partner quit. He stopped smoking around me, in our house, in our cars, couldn't smoke at work, and when Colorado prohibited smoking in bars and restaurants, he pretty much quit for good. He ran out of places to smoke.

 

[Trudie]

And one person was asymptomatic for 27 days, remember?

My only concern is that bit of news that the virus survived on the Princess after 17 days. That makes me nervous.

 

[gitana1]

Yes and NY should have shut down their state way before they did. It’s easy to criticize from the comfort of 20/20 hindsight. It does no good. IMO

No. It’s easy to criticize from the benefit of forewarning. You’ve been on this thread for a long time. You know as well as I do that the information has been there for a long time indicating we needed to shut down by at least mid-February.

We are well within our rights to criticize government for its huge failures to protect or even try to protect the population. At ALL levels on both sides of the aisle. Period.

These people should all be tasked with following world news and understanding the threats to their constituents. Every last one failed to some degree. Every governor. Every mayor. Every health department official.

And they did so despite information that was READILY available to them.

How on earth did websleuthers know more about what was happening and what was needed than government officials tasked with protecting the public?

 

[margarita25]

I’m really sorry @margarita25 I know you must be desperately worried about your loved ones. Please know we are all here for you and we will all get through this crisis together. You can talk with us anytime about how you are feeling.

Bless you. Balling. Thank you Going to make some coffee.

ETA: Don’t want to make this about me haha. I’ll be fine. Just sayin. It’s getting rough. We have to focus on positive things. That’s the point. A month in and it’s getting rough. Need to resume some kind of normalcy.

ETA2; Here’s another thing. I can’t get food delivery for another 10 days. I think I have enough to make it but it’s going to be rough. Like I’m talking protein shakes. That’s ok. I can stand to miss some meals.

ETA3: Thanks for letting me vent. I feel a little better now. Sorry about that. Just wanted to express the importance of staying ahead of the depression.

Gratitude always.

 

[NuttMegg]

Yes I'm posting this again. Because, I just heard on Velshi that people who don't file returns and get only 1099s for SS will get stimulus payments sent to them the same way they normally get their SS, ie direct deposit or mailed check.

But, according to the Velshi show, it's more complicated than that, because ppl who get SS 1099s and OTHER 1099's too, like interest or employment, will have to file a return if they didn't in 2018 or 2019.

Yet more obfuscation.

Social Security recipients won't need tax return to receive stimulus payment

 

[MimosaMornings]

16 Pictures That Show How Terribly The State Of South Carolina Is At "Social Distancing" — BuzzFeed

 

[24Roses]

Gov. Reynolds extends closure of schools, non-essential businesses and medical procedures through April 30 Closures in Iowa now going through April 30th. ETA-For schools, they will have to come up with a plan for learning during the time after April 13 or make it up if they go back to school before the end of the school year. The original 4 weeks were being "forgiven" by the state. Also, 74 are hospitalized right now and 144 are recovered.

 

[Boston Corbett]

DPA announced signed 03/18 now used for first time, to facilitate supply of equipment to build ventilators.
Coronavirus live updates - CNN

 

[Trudie]

Store Bans Kids, Others Limit Customers

Things are tightening up!