Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #44

[BHughes]

Uhh... how in the world?
Tiger @ BRONX ZOO + for coronavirus. As in COVID-19??
Not good!

"The 4-year-old Malayan tiger, and six other tigers and lions that have also fallen ill, are believed to have been infected by a zoo employee"
WATE 6 On Your Side

Not good at all!!!! But wasn't it found that the virus can be transmitted to cats and ferrets from humans?

 

[gregjrichards]

Dr Catherine Calderwood, the Chief Medical Officer has resigned from the Scottish Government.

Scotland’s chief medical officer has admitted flouting her own advice by travelling to her second home - TWICE in two weeks.

Dr Catherine Calderwood made the admission at a press conference this afternoon as she joined First Minister Nicola Sturgeon for an update on the Covid-19 crisis.

The 51-year-old was forced to say sorry after photographs of her and her Edinburgh-based family showed them visiting their seaside bolthole in Earlsferry, Fife, on Saturday.

Dr Catherine Calderwood made TWO trips to holiday home but keeps job

Dr. Calderwood has appeared in constant adverts in Scotland for weeks telling us to stay home, save lives and protect the NHS. But she traveled miles away to her second home twice in the last two weeks for unnecessary reasons. She was given a police warning today and she has now resigned. I can’t believe she was so foolish to not follow her own commands. We are on lockdown and are not allowed to travel to see relatives etc, we can go to the supermarket or the pharmacy but that’s about it.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

U.K Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been taken to hospital for tests as a precaution. He has been self-isolating after being diagnosed with coronavirus - Source Sky News U.K

Do we think it is anything more than tests... ----> greg, our on-the-ground reporter???

 

[Yesiamapirate]

Tiger at Bronx Zoo believed to be first animal to test positive for COVID-19

- A tiger at the Bronx Zoo has tested positive for the coronavirus becoming what is believed to be the first animal with COVID-19, according to Natasha Daly of National Geographic
.....six other animals that include lions and tigers at the Bronx Zoo are currently showing symptoms.

 

[Shelby1]

My husband and I were just talking about this a bit ago. How can anyone not find anything to do? It is springtime and there are a lot of house chores to be done. We have been very busy. Even an apartment needs a deep cleaning. And how much outdoor activity did people do back when they were working? Now suddenly it is important? IMO, there are a lot of people that just don't like to be told what to do.

And what is with bringing your entire family of 5 plus to the grocery store? Mom, dad, and the oldest kid who is old enough to stay home and babysit? Or the fact that one parent could not stay home with the kids? I have never seen so many families shopping together. The aisles are crowded enough as it is.

I apologize for jumping off your post and ranting.

Agreed.

It's not that freaking hard to stay home, people. My blood pressure shoots through the roof when I see groups out and about. I have to go to the pharmacy at least once a month to get my husbands meds. That is an essential thing that has to be done. Frequent trips to WalMart "just to get out of the house" need to stop. I don't understand why people aren't getting the message.

 

[10ofRods]

Here's another conflicting report, also with a doi

"A total of 565 Japanese citizens were evacuated from Wuhan, China to Japan. All passengers were screened for symptoms and also undertook reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction testing, identifying 5 asymptomatic and 7 symptomatic passengers testing positive for 2019-nCoV. We show that the screening result is suggestive of the asymptomatic ratio at 41.6%."​

Estimation of the asymptomatic ratio of novel coronavirus infections (COVID-19)
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30139-9/pdf

That makes three reports with 3 conflicting conclusions: 17%, 80%, 42%

Try only looking at reports with large sample sizes, in which mode of transport or other extraneous variables are excluded.

Airplanes themselves are vectors, due to viral loading.

The very large Chinese sample was people of all ages, all walks of life, etc. The percentage of people who fly in planes also spend time airports. Also, studies of hospital employees wouldn't be as good either.

The study you quoted above was evacuees - who had self-selected to leave one place and go someplace else, due to CV. Therefore, it's more likely they have had exposure to CV than, say, I have. I haven't traveled or been in an airport for six months.

Large sample sizes, not self-selected, give the best estimates IME.

 

[pocketaccent]

The best answer I heard to the TP question (and hoarding) is that in a crisis, people typically choose one thing they know they can control and then overdo that thing. It's largely cultural. So in the US, it was TP.

At the same time, our household consists of two busy (usually overworked) professionals, so we always stock up on toilet paper. Our goal is to go to the store just once a month, always.

So we already had quite a bit of TP. We have it on subscribe and save on Amazon and it comes every three months (again, trying to cut down on the number of trips someone else has to make in a vehicle).

I was able to get a bunch of those cheap paper napkins from InstaCart two weeks ago. If this goes on into July, though - we are going to have to look through the book collection pretty carefully. The books with thin pages are mostly old and precious, so dunno what we'll do. We do have a handheld shower right next to the toilet, though - as most Europeans do (or they have a bidet).

Save your squirt bottles. Get or improvise a shower cap if your hairstyle is an issue, because a quick shower is way nicer to me than using rags or pages from books.

WHY we would continue to have a TP shortage, though, I have no clue. Surely people will not continue to buy 10X as much TP for the rest of all American history?

I think the TP shortage will continue until we have a COVID vaccine. When the current TP hoarders stop hoarding as they run out of storage space in their homes, the current traumatized TP-less people will start to hoard. This crisis will be cyclical until the world rights itself.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Thanks for the reminder--I forgot we have a couple of phone books in a drawer. Might be glad to have them when the TP runs out.

But the ink might stain the bum... just go directly to rags and water!!! moo moo moo

 

[MimosaMornings]

My husband and I were just talking about this a bit ago. How can anyone not find anything to do? It is springtime and there are a lot of house chores to be done. We have been very busy. Even an apartment needs a deep cleaning. And how much outdoor activity did people do back when they were working? Now suddenly it is important? IMO, there are a lot of people that just don't like to be told what to do.

And what is with bringing your entire family of 5 plus to the grocery store? Mom, dad, and the oldest kid who is old enough to stay home and babysit? Or the fact that one parent could not stay home with the kids? I have never seen so many families shopping together. The aisles are crowded enough as it is.

I apologize for jumping off your post and ranting.

OMG.
Guess they don’t have parents or grandparents they care about.

 

[Gardener1850]

Hi @margarita25 unfortunately it is something that is happening across the US and very unexpectedly. Less than 3 weeks ago we were over census and short staff and were being offered bonuses to come in on xtra shifts and overtime. Now we are facing mandated time off and possible layoffs. Realistically, we can’t all pack up and head to NYC. And even more realistically, if you are like me and have been on the job for over 20 years you aren’t going to be hired at your current salary and benefits elsewhere if you are hired at all. Many of us are just at a point of hope for the best but expect the worst. And hope that when this all passes our healthcare centers, primary care offices, specialty care offices can recover and rehire.
COVID-19 Hits Some Health Care Workers With Pay Cuts And Layoffs

I'm so sorry you are facing the possibility of being laid off. I hope it doesn't come to that for you and your family. In regards to your comment about not everyone being able to pack up and go to NYC, while you are totally right, some medical workers may be able to find temporary positions in NYC right now. I have a friend working in the Samaritan's Purse field hospital in NYC - lodging, travel, and meals are all paid for/provided plus a paycheck (I don't know how much but they are paid). It might not be for everyone, but here is a link to apply: Samaritan's Purse: Service Opportunities
(MODS: I hope this link is ok to post, if not delete my post, thanks)
Also, perhaps there are other organizations in NY or elsewhere that are hiring short term and offering to pay travel and lodging for the next few months? If you are a medical person you should be in high demand. MOO.

 

[10ofRods]

Whoa. Just when you thought it couldn’t get any more.... Idk. Moo

There are two dogs, too.

https://www.oie.int/wahis_2/public/...?page_refer=MapFullEventReport&reportid=33684

Asymptomatic. There was an early report of CV19 found in the nostrils of a woman's pet. She was an early patient and the attending staff decided to swab her dog, just in case. It's not believed that dogs or cats can transmit the disease to us (although...if the virus is alive in their mouth and they're breathing on you or licking you, I don't see why they couldn't give to someone other than the person who gave it them).

 

[MimosaMornings]

This article from Detroit shocked me on many levels. Thankful this gentleman has recovered but.......

Surviving coronavirus with help from 'the only person I needed'


And here we are a hot bed of Coronavirus. Smh

Oh great, Atlanta. Thanks

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I've thought the same (about cotton). I've advised friends to line the inside with something disposable, like tissue, tissue paper, gauze. All of those things should be changed out after every (brief) use. The mask itself can be washed in very hot water or stuck into the sun (if there's sun where you live) for a day or two.

One's own breath will keep someone else's virus alive in that all cotton mask, for sure. Paper masks are meant to be worn for each encounter with a carrier (as in a medical situation).

If you sanitize those reusable grocery bags after each use, I agree they are less likely to allow virus to multiple right there next to your mouth and nose.

If using cotton, please please have several, rotate them, make sure your water is hot when soaping them up. Soap, btw, is an anti-viral and causes most viruses to break apart.

People ought not to forget that the eyes are vulnerable, as well.

People are making plastic full face masks out of 2 litre soda bottles.... with some elastic bra straps "instant welders mask".

 

[SuziQ]

i probably shouldnt even comment but i can assure you he passed the virus to lots of peop!e-- his actions were irresponsible and dangerous

Even if he thought he just had a cold he should have stayed home. Did he think a bunch of people wanted to catch his cold? For some a simple cold can develope into something deadly. I am glad this man recovered, but has he thought about those he may have killed? SMDH.

 

[gregjrichards]

Do we think it is anything more than tests... ----> greg, our on-the-ground reporter???

An U.K E.R Doctor has said it is not a good sign Boris Johnson U.K Prime Minister has had to go to the hospital for tests on a Sunday evening. I understand he has had a consistently high temperature since being diagnosed with coronavirus and according to Sky News U.K he has been coughing and spluttering on his video call meetings all week. I really hope the Drs can get it the virus under control and his health situation does not worsen.

 

[Simply Southern]

UK Prime Minister (@10DowningStreet) | Twitter

10 Downing street Twitter link so we hopefully may see something posted about his condition. I hope Carrie and baby are fine too.

I'm concerned for all three, as well. He's looked really sick in the last several photos.

I've read patients condition can decline around the 7th is 8th day.

 

[10ofRods]

Agreed.

It's not that freaking hard to stay home, people. My blood pressure shoots through the roof when I see groups out and about. I have to go to the pharmacy at least once a month to get my husbands meds. That is an essential thing that has to be done. Frequent trips to WalMart "just to get out of the house" need to stop. I don't understand why people aren't getting the message.

Same situation here, although my husband says he can skip a month (the darned pharmacy didn't have his main Rx in stock - they aren't sure when it's coming, there are supply disruptions right now). Our very stupid insurer is "considering" allowing people to buy more than one month of a drug sometimes besides from them. They were not successful in getting certain Rx's to us on time either.

SO. Yeah, we have to really suit up to go those places. I keep forgetting my gloves. I have some nice leather gloves I have no reason to wear, and I have leather cleaner and have a disinfectant that's okay for such materials. Got a mask (we went through the Thomas fire, ashes in the air for weeks, it's still pretty dusty when the wind blows from the burn areas).

We haven't gotten to the phase of undressing on the front porch, ha.

 

[otto]

Try only looking at reports with large sample sizes, in which mode of transport or other extraneous variables are excluded.

Airplanes themselves are vectors, due to viral loading.

The very large Chinese sample was people of all ages, all walks of life, etc. The percentage of people who fly in planes also spend time airports. Also, studies of hospital employees wouldn't be as good either.

The study you quoted above was evacuees - who had self-selected to leave one place and go someplace else, due to CV. Therefore, it's more likely they have had exposure to CV than, say, I have. I haven't traveled or been in an airport for six months.

Large sample sizes, not self-selected, give the best estimates IME.

Sample size matters, as do conflicting conclusions. I think we need more information to draw conclusions about the percent of the population that is asymptomatic, but others will accept one study over another.

For example, many people accept that malaria drugs cure coronavirus even though there are no studies supporting that conclusion, and the anecdotal information comes from a Frenchman who based his opinion on 26 people.

"But the researchers only looked at 36 patients and only 26 actually received hydroxychloroquine in the study — a tiny sample size. Hydroxychloroquine can also have side effects like headaches, dizziness, and diarrhea, so it’s not something that doctors can blanketly prescribe. And the study wasn’t blinded, meaning the patients knew what they were getting, nor was it randomized."​

What you need to know about hydroxychloroquine, Trump’s new favorite treatment for Covid-19

 

[nhmemorymaker]

It's possible, but very very unlikely. NY has now done more testing than virtually anywhere else in this hemisphere and 50% of people are infected with CV19. 80% of those will be asymptomatic. 20% will become ill. So, the other half of the population will get it from the many people who are asymptomatic the instant they lift orders about staying home.

Johns Hopkins isn't changing its projection (of NY going up to 800 deaths per day) because there are artifacts in the data (certain days of the weeks, labs are slower to run tests - Sat-Sun is one of those periods). I know we all want to be as optimistic as possible and it will an occasion for real joy if in fact by Tuesday, we see that NY stays under 600.

That would mean yes, they've "peaked," but read up on Spanish Flu, as the ending of quarantine too early caused a second wave nearly as massive as the first.

Covid-19: four fifths of cases are asymptomatic, China figures indicate

whoa.... this statistic seems absolutely phenomenal------------> 50% of people are infected with CV19. 80% of those will be asymptomatic. 20% will become ill<--- Can you explain and/or source this with more detail... tia.

 

[Trudie]

Guess what? A friend glided in. Yes, glided. In his new hang glider, I got to take it up. A******amazing!
Yes, we disinfected controls first. I had a terse tutorial and only stayed on my property, just in case. I wanted to fly forever. Just escape all this. But where might I go? Lol
Landing was the scariest part, but went okay. I’m sold and now want one! Relaxation!