Honestly, I'm not any of those things. I'm going to work everyday and although my kids are home from school, they're leading relatively normal lives going to school on-line and working out/hanging out with their friends. My only frustration is the potential impact on the economy. But I'm hoping that will clear up in the next two weeks or so. My colleagues and clients seem to be impacted in the same way. I'm not hearing anyone distraught or overwhelmed. Surprised and unaccustomed, yes. But not freaking out.
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It's a real mystery. Here there have been "shortages" of a few items at a time, but I've never not been able to get plenty of food. TP has been the only issue. And I've been able to get enough of even that to last a week or six.
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I don't think that criminals who serve their full sentence are less likely to re-offend then ones who are released early.
I view them all as being dangerous. Especially if they don't have enough income to support themselves. They will most likely continue to prey on innocent people.
You don't necessarily need a gun to protect yourself. There are multiple non-lethal means of self protection that people can use to defend themselves from miscreants. JMO.
New details have emerged in the case of Gretchen S. Anthony, a missing woman who is believed to have been killed by her husband, 48-year-old David Ethan Anthony.
David Anthony was arrested last week in Las Cruces, New Mexico on charges of second-degree murder and kidnapping in connection to his wife's disappearance.
Everything began on March 25, when a witness called Jupiter police, saying she received a "suspicious text message" from Gretchen Anthony that stated she had COVID-19 and was being held by the "CDC" after being checked out at Jupiter Medical Center, according to the arrest report. The witness said she received the text the morning of March 23 and hasn't heard from Gretchen Anthony since.
The witness told police that Gretchen Anthony was still married, but recently separated from David Anthony and had filed for divorce on Feb. 28.
An officer went to Gretchen Anthony's home on Sunshine Drive in Abacoa and knocked on the door several times, but nobody answered, according to the arrest report. The officer then reached out to Jupiter Medical Center, but was told they couldn't find anyone under the name Gretchen Anthony in their system. Officers later found her blue Mini Cooper, with a purse inside, in the northeast section of the parking lot near S. Old Dixie Highway.
Police say another witness said that he also got a text message from Gretchen Anthony the morning of March 24, saying that she was at Jupiter Medical Center with an "acute" case of COVID-19 and was being taken to a CDC approved task force in Belle Glade, where they "sedated her."
However, Jupiter Medical Center said that's not protocol and that she was not at the hospital, according to the arrest report. There is also no CDC center in Belle Glade.
The second witness, a friend of her husband, had access to Gretchen Anthony's home and when he went inside with officers, she was nowhere to be found, according to the arrest report. He also told police he noticed on March 21 that Gretchen Anthony stopped sharing her location, which is not like her, and that the texts he received had language that she normally wouldn't use.
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Mystery of missing Jupiter woman began with suspicious text messages
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Gretchen Anthony grew up in West Long Branch and is a 1987 graduate of Shore Regional High School, according to her Facebook, public records and classmates who spoke to the Asbury Park Press.
Attempts to reach her immediate family were not successful. Her mother and a twin brother live in Florida. She has a sister who still lives at the Shore, according to public records. She also has a 12-year-old daughter from a previous marriage.
Florida police suspect missing West Long Branch native was murdered
David Anthony was arrested last week in Las Cruces, New Mexico on charges of second-degree murder and kidnapping in connection to his wife's disappearance.
Everything began on March 25, when a witness called Jupiter police, saying she received a "suspicious text message" from Gretchen Anthony that stated she had COVID-19 and was being held by the "CDC" after being checked out at Jupiter Medical Center, according to the arrest report. The witness said she received the text the morning of March 23 and hasn't heard from Gretchen Anthony since.
The witness told police that Gretchen Anthony was still married, but recently separated from David Anthony and had filed for divorce on Feb. 28.
An officer went to Gretchen Anthony's home on Sunshine Drive in Abacoa and knocked on the door several times, but nobody answered, according to the arrest report. The officer then reached out to Jupiter Medical Center, but was told they couldn't find anyone under the name Gretchen Anthony in their system. Officers later found her blue Mini Cooper, with a purse inside, in the northeast section of the parking lot near S. Old Dixie Highway.
Police say another witness said that he also got a text message from Gretchen Anthony the morning of March 24, saying that she was at Jupiter Medical Center with an "acute" case of COVID-19 and was being taken to a CDC approved task force in Belle Glade, where they "sedated her."
However, Jupiter Medical Center said that's not protocol and that she was not at the hospital, according to the arrest report. There is also no CDC center in Belle Glade.
The second witness, a friend of her husband, had access to Gretchen Anthony's home and when he went inside with officers, she was nowhere to be found, according to the arrest report. He also told police he noticed on March 21 that Gretchen Anthony stopped sharing her location, which is not like her, and that the texts he received had language that she normally wouldn't use.
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Mystery of missing Jupiter woman began with suspicious text messages
NJ
Gretchen Anthony grew up in West Long Branch and is a 1987 graduate of Shore Regional High School, according to her Facebook, public records and classmates who spoke to the Asbury Park Press.
Attempts to reach her immediate family were not successful. Her mother and a twin brother live in Florida. She has a sister who still lives at the Shore, according to public records. She also has a 12-year-old daughter from a previous marriage.
Florida police suspect missing West Long Branch native was murdered
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Reflection:
So, I have not left the house for over a month. At all. Not even once. I haven’t been to any stores, haven’t been anywhere. The only humans I’ve seen for over a month are my neighbors walking their dogs and joggers/bicyclists going by.
Well, since just a few days ago, these same people I see going by everyday are now wearing masks.
The vision is both surreal and scary.
So, I have not left the house for over a month. At all. Not even once. I haven’t been to any stores, haven’t been anywhere. The only humans I’ve seen for over a month are my neighbors walking their dogs and joggers/bicyclists going by.
Well, since just a few days ago, these same people I see going by everyday are now wearing masks.
The vision is both surreal and scary.
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It's great that you don't feel those things. No one wants to! But your life sounds very different than life where I live.
For one thing, kids are not supposed to be working out or hanging out with their friends here. Everyone is only supposed to go outside for necessities, preferably only one person per family. No get-togethers with anyone who doesn't live in your home.
Very few people I know are still going to work each day. I'm an early retiree, but most everyone else I know is working from home. I don't have any impact on my income but I know that's not the rule.
The management of my co-op has informed us that there are cases of Covid in our building, and has warned us to at all costs do what we can to avoid the common areas. Elevators, lobbies, laundry rooms, mailrooms. That essentially means staying home almost all the time.
This is The City That Never Sleeps, but we are in a coma.
It's all worth it, though. Lives are being saved.
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Boeing to resume limited Pacific Northwest operations
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Boeing says about 2,500 employees in the region will be returning to work, with all required to wear face coverings. Of more than 70,000 Boeing employees who work in the Puget Sound area, about 100 have been confirmed with coronavirus.
Donald Trump is wrong about hydroxychloroquine. Here are the facts
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How soon until we know if hydroxychloroquine works against the coronavirus?
Trump said "within days" on March 29.
Doctors say it's more like weeks or months. Of the 15 research centers conducting trials on the drug, six responded and said it would take anywhere between three weeks to four months.
French researchers have already done a study showing hydroxychloroquine works as a coronavirus treatment. Doesn't that tell us something?
Trump says yes -- he called it "a very good test" on April 5.
Doctors say the study was terrible, so no. There are several concerns about the paper, including that it ignored patients who took the drug and fared poorly.
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Los Angeles mayor: "The best way to save lives is to make sure we don't open the economy early"
The mayor of Los Angeles urged the US to continue social distancing and ramp up coronavirus testing, warning that President Donald Trump's plan to reopen the country could place lives at risk.
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"If you want to get the economy open, Mr. President, Congress, or any mayor, do the work of getting the public health professionals who can track and trace, get us the tests so we can have the blood tests to know who's immune and who's not, and people who are not can properly distance (themselves)," Garcetti said.
Coronavirus live updates: US reaches half a million cases - CNN
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Boeing says about 2,500 employees in the region will be returning to work, with all required to wear face coverings. Of more than 70,000 Boeing employees who work in the Puget Sound area, about 100 have been confirmed with coronavirus.
Donald Trump is wrong about hydroxychloroquine. Here are the facts
[...]
How soon until we know if hydroxychloroquine works against the coronavirus?
Trump said "within days" on March 29.
Doctors say it's more like weeks or months. Of the 15 research centers conducting trials on the drug, six responded and said it would take anywhere between three weeks to four months.
French researchers have already done a study showing hydroxychloroquine works as a coronavirus treatment. Doesn't that tell us something?
Trump says yes -- he called it "a very good test" on April 5.
Doctors say the study was terrible, so no. There are several concerns about the paper, including that it ignored patients who took the drug and fared poorly.
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Los Angeles mayor: "The best way to save lives is to make sure we don't open the economy early"
The mayor of Los Angeles urged the US to continue social distancing and ramp up coronavirus testing, warning that President Donald Trump's plan to reopen the country could place lives at risk.
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"If you want to get the economy open, Mr. President, Congress, or any mayor, do the work of getting the public health professionals who can track and trace, get us the tests so we can have the blood tests to know who's immune and who's not, and people who are not can properly distance (themselves)," Garcetti said.
Coronavirus live updates: US reaches half a million cases - CNN
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Same thing here in Sacramento.
My mom bought a big Costco pack of TP right before the hoarding started so we still have over a months supply. I've passed up buying more when I've seen it on stores shelves so that people who are out can buy it.
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Now, I'm not against make-do weapons instead of a gun.
A store owner once told me an apple corer (that looks like a potato peeler) can do quite a bit of damage. One of those long pointed shish kabob sticks can come in handy, maybe near the door. A double two prong meat fork makes a nasty weapon. I'm not sure I'd do very well using any of these against a intruder or rapist, but I sometimes fantasize I'm a tough cookie. It's just another way towards the personal protection you mentioned.
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You are my role model in this self-isolation. Really, you have taken it seriously and stuck to your resolve. You sound in an okay mood. Glad you keep up with others here. Being here has helped me a lot.
I keep track in an odd way... like this... Day 5/28 - 8 hrs. total to shop food. So, I've been home 28 days, but 5 days ago I left for a couple of hours, and the total I've left the premises is 8 hrs. I don't count if I stay within the building just to get my mail or start my car in the underground garage.
I'm at risk and shouldn't go out at all. I don't think I'll survive getting a bad case of the virus. I've got to keep strong and stay home. Not sure about another month though. It's going to be harder.
I live near quite a few grocery stores that tempt me to want to get that one more food item, but I actually have plenty.
Thankfully, I was paying attention to the news and talk on WS, so I started stocking up on food and TP ahead of many.
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I'm reading where this virus is attacking red blood cells, causing them to release the iron within into the bloodstream. Iron inside of a red blood cell is good, free iron in the bloodstream is bad. It's causing inflammation in the lungs, the pneumonia is "chemical" in nature, it's not viral.
Sounds to me like a toxic chemical reaction is happening in the lung cells, where the iron is latching on and causing the inflammation.
To me, this explains why the ventilator (vent) therapy is not being very effective in most patients.
Sounds to me like a toxic chemical reaction is happening in the lung cells, where the iron is latching on and causing the inflammation.
To me, this explains why the ventilator (vent) therapy is not being very effective in most patients.
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(Here is something small we can do rather than getting depressed about terrible days ahead.)
Call is on for cards after coronavirus crashes Lakewood WWII vet’s 105th birthday party – Daily Breeze
The mayor of Lakewood is calling on the public to send birthday cards to a World War II veteran whose planned 105th birthday celebration later this month has been thwarted by the coronavirus pandemic.
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The cards can be sent to: Mom and Dad’s House, c/o Lt. Col. Sam Sachs, 4340 Conquista Ave., Lakewood, CA 90713.
The mayor noted that the cards will be set aside for several days once they are received and then opened with gloves “to be extra careful for Sam,” who will turn 105 on April 26.
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Hopes are high for Sachs to get cards from throughout the world, including homemade ones from children, she said.
“He wants a lot of cards,” Meader said.
Call is on for cards after coronavirus crashes Lakewood WWII vet’s 105th birthday party – Daily Breeze
The mayor of Lakewood is calling on the public to send birthday cards to a World War II veteran whose planned 105th birthday celebration later this month has been thwarted by the coronavirus pandemic.
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The cards can be sent to: Mom and Dad’s House, c/o Lt. Col. Sam Sachs, 4340 Conquista Ave., Lakewood, CA 90713.
The mayor noted that the cards will be set aside for several days once they are received and then opened with gloves “to be extra careful for Sam,” who will turn 105 on April 26.
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Hopes are high for Sachs to get cards from throughout the world, including homemade ones from children, she said.
“He wants a lot of cards,” Meader said.
That may be. But I responded because you said [all caps] ALL. That's not my experience here, nor, as far as I can tell, of many my clients near and far. There has been at least one case in the (smallish) building where I work, and I'm pretty sure myself and most of my close colleagues have had it. Even if that weren't the case, I'm not too terribly concerned because I'm just not a worrier. I have one child with a history of pediatric asthma, but he's been deliberately drinking out of my water bottles in defiance, and so far he's fine. I've mentioned previously, not a lot of kids are being significantly impacted by this like they are the flu. I've posted the statistics before, but there are so few fatalities under the age of 19 they don't even post the statistics. Iirc it's .03% for the above 20 to 25'ish crowd.
Here's just one link. I've posted others before.
Is COVID-19 dangerous in children?
COVID-19 appears on average to be much milder in children than it does in healthy adults or in older adults. Of the first 70,000 patients in China diagnosed with COVID-19, only 2.1 percent were children under 19 years old. No children under the age of 9 died according to this report. Only one death was reported in a child 10-19 years.
COVID-19 and children: What you should know
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Respectfully and fondly, @mickey2942, I’m having trouble reconciling your apparent concern for ”the old, the weak and the poor“ who are “dying off rapidly” with your agreement with @KALI that social distancing needs to end so you/we can “get back to [what passes for] normal.” I have very good reasons for staying at home. One is that I don’t want to be one of those people who overwhelm the health care system, which is why two esteemed scientists, Dr Fauci and Dr Brix have advocated staying home to flatten the curve. I don’t want to create more work and trauma for my friends in healthcare. I’m sure you’re aware of what is happening in hospitals, not just in NYC.
The other reason I stay home is that I’m one of those old people who are “dying off rapidly.” I don’t want to be one of those in the hospital fighting for breath and suffocating alone away from my husband of 53+ years. If staying home means to you that I am ”cowering, afraid of germs”...that sounds as if you have missed the point of these threads and everything Dr Fauci and Dr Brix have been telling us. I really hate to think that.
It seems that you and @KALI (who we have cheered on as she struggled to keep her restaurant afloat) are very frustrated about the government stay-at-home orders and delays in getting help. But please stop and realize that ending social distancing too soon will delay flattening the curve even longer and also delay the economic “recovery” we’d all like to see. I feel awful for those who are struggling financially and I hope the checks and other help arrive soon. But giving up and bailing out now on what scientists recommend will create even bigger problems. We are all adults and can delay our own needs for the greater good.
Surely you realize that it’s way too late to expect that “the long term consequences” of coronavirus will not be “far reaching and substantial”? That ship sailed in January and early February when something might have been done to lessen the impact to this country. The only choice we have now is to cooperate willingly with those who have long experience with epidemics and pandemics. Many of us are also tired of this but we understand why we’re staying home (a month for me). It’s so much better if we can all cheer each other on. We will get through this, one day at a time.
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Yes. In the past 4 weeks, I've separately bought two 4-packs of tp when I've happened to run across it. Otherwise, I'm just doing my normal shopping -- with the possible exception of dog food. I have enough of that to last a month or two. Priorities
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I have hope in all that's being done to stop this virus in its tracks. This was last Friday, a week ago. There are incredibly intelligent human beings from all over the world working on stopping the CV-19 virus asap. Don't lose hope everyone.
"The advance arose from a huge and growing effort by scientists globally to find human antibodies that can neutralize or destroy the coronavirus."
Scripps Research finds 'possible Achilles heel' in the coronavirus
"Wilson examined an antibody that had been taken from a SARS patient years ago and noticed that it latched onto a specific place in that virus."
"The team then discovered that the same SARS antibody latched onto virtually the same spot on the coronavirus. The antibody did not grip it quite as hard, but it helped identify the spot as a possible weak point in the makeup of the virus."
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That’s the way to have people avoid homeless. And we’re fine with it here.
The prisoner thing not so much. But it’s more about the staff.
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Only 600 died in California, so who cares? It wasn't you or your family member, so let's not make a big deal about it? More will probably die anyways, so let's not try to flatten the curve anymore?
Just saying, MOO, we are doing the responsible thing for now to save lives and not overburden the health care workers.
Just saying, MOO, we are doing the responsible thing for now to save lives and not overburden the health care workers.
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Respectfully and fondly, @mickey2942, I’m having trouble reconciling your apparent concern for ”the old, the weak and the poor“ who are “dying off rapidly” with your agreement with @KALI that social distancing needs to end so you/we can “get back to [what passes for] normal.” I have very good reasons for staying at home. One is that I don’t want to be one of those people who overwhelm the health care system, which is why two esteemed scientists, Dr Fauci and Dr Brix have advocated staying home to flatten the curve. I don’t want to create more work and trauma for my friends in healthcare. I’m sure you’re aware of what is happening in hospitals, not just in NYC.
The other reason I stay home is that I’m one of those old people who are “dying off rapidly.” I don’t want to be one of those in the hospital fighting for breath and suffocating alone away from my husband of 53+ years. If staying home means to you that I am ”cowering, afraid of germs”...that sounds as if you have missed the point of these threads and everything Dr Fauci and Dr Brix have been telling us. I really hate to think that.
It seems that you and @KALI (who we have cheered on as she struggled to keep her restaurant afloat) are very frustrated about the government stay-at-home orders and delays in getting help. But please stop and realize that ending social distancing too soon will delay flattening the curve even longer and also delay the economic “recovery” we’d all like to see. I feel awful for those who are struggling financially and I hope the checks and other help arrive soon. But giving up and bailing out now on what scientists recommend will create even bigger problems. We are all adults and can delay our own needs for the greater good.
Surely you realize that it’s way too late to expect that “the long term consequences” of coronavirus will not be “far reaching and substantial”? That ship sailed in January and early February when something might have been done to lessen the impact to this country. The only choice we have now is to cooperate willingly with those who have long experience with epidemics and pandemics. Many of us are also tired of this but we understand why we’re staying home (a month for me). It’s so much better if we can all cheer each other on. We will get through this, one day at a time.
JMO MOO
Lilibet, such wise words
Anyone who thinks this is going to be over in a few weeks would take heed to plan for the next 6 to 12 months minimum. There are many stages each country and the world will go through in that time, all likely to impact the economy, as we watch the death toll rise. How much it rises is unknown right now, but it will. Economies are going to slide, recessions and budget deficits are likely, but that is what we are facing. People can think that just getting on with life in a few weeks is the answer, but have no doubt, the rapid infection spread by throwing everyone back together again in the community will hit the economy twice as hard if rash decisions are made. And those in the hospitality industry should also be prepared for behavioural change. Even when people are allowed to gather again, go out for dinner, meet at a hotel, many won't for a long time. Fear changes behaviour. And regardless of whatever a government allows, many people are fearful and will make the decision to continue to engage in social distancing by choice. So the economic impacts are going to be long and traumatic. We just have to ride this out. And remember every human life does not come with a dollar (or whatever currency) value, they are all equal - Status
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