Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #48

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  • #61
Australia had a stronger second wave in October 1919. I'm guessing there will be a second wave in Spring 2020 as well.

"Despite a swift quarantine response in October 1918, cases of Spanish flu began to appear in Australia in early 1919. About 40 per cent of the population fell ill and around 15,000 died as the virus spread through Australia."​

Influenza pandemic

Some Aussies are actually more concerned about our upcoming winter (June/July/August), right now, as the virus may be less effective/invasive during warm weather - in a similar manner to other flu viruses.

Makes us wary about what our cooler temps - which are arriving now/soon - will bring.

People here are getting vaccinated for the flu season, to help minimise other illnesses during our upcoming winter.


The jury is still out on how much the weather is or is not influencing COVID-19, but a bad flu season on top of the current health crisis is the last thing we need this winter.
There is reason to think COVID-19 may spread more quickly in winter; it is a respiratory illness and spreads in a similar way to a cold or a flu.
Will COVID-19 get worse as winter sets in?
 
  • #62
Yeah, we are back in the Dark Ages again. I could never have imagined the last month's developments.

Did someone just type COBOL? They still have that? I had that in school, and that was a longggg time ago. Ugh, I hated that course.
 
  • #63
Many government computer programs are run on COBOL. My husband is a retired systems analyst who used COBOL and FORTRAN to design computer programs back in the day. The coding language isn’t even taught in computer science curriculums. He said that many, many ATMs are designed to run on COBOL. Conversions are labor intensive and expensive. His speciality was conversions of one system to another.

What an interesting "side effect" of CoVid. A lot of government programs are written on "ancient" languages that only people like your husband speak. Much respect to him. I have a "young" relative (he's 50) works for a major software company, not in coding though - he says you practically want to bow to the older programmers who are sifting through the younger ones, to make sure if they can't do the older code - which is being transitioned, they go on to some other workplace.

It's no longer taught by California colleges, that I know of (well, Stanford curriculum and culture still supports it). We have only a handful of people who can fix programs in those older languages. Government is always the last to pay for upgrades/reprogramming.

God bless us every one. The programmers are essential workers too. We just lost our chief guy (not to CoVid - to private industry/semi-retirement). He has been irreplaceable and we have more glitches than usual (although the young people he mentored are stepping up - they are working such long hours and are very under appreciated; the load from the online teaching requires many technical adjustments).
 
  • #64
All the local playgrounds are closed because people with the virus might touch the equipment. The virus can live on metal and plastic for up to 3 days, depending on temperature and humidity levels. A park bench is like the playground. The virus gets onto the bench and it sits there for up to 3 days. Everyone else who sits on the bench risks picking it up.
Not all of our playgrounds closed in my area until groups of kids from different families began congregating. That’s when things got roped off and basketball hoops were removed.
 
  • #65
Reopening the country will not be "game over" on avoiding risks, Fauci says

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"No matter what phase you are in, there are certain fundamental things that we've done that are not like it was in September and October," he said. "You want to call it the new normal, call it whatever you want, but even if you are in phase one, two or three, it is not game over. It's going to be a way that we protect ourselves."

Fauci said it is important to continue to take measures to prevent the spread of the virus until there is a vaccine.

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Birx says vulnerable populations must be monitored as states prepare to reopen

[...[

“We want every state to have a plan for the health and safety of its workers in critical industries and protect the health and safety of those living in high-risk facilities,” she said.

Birx said the federal government will be conducting “sentinel surveillance throughout nursing homes, throughout inner-city federal clinics, throughout indigenous populations to really be able to find early alerts of asymptomatic individuals in the community and both for the syndromic cases.”

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FDA approves new swabs that would allow for safer at-home coronavirus testing

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The new swab is shorter and can collect a sample from the front of the nose, the FDA said.

“The type of testing at the front of the nose used in this study is notable because it allows self-collection by patients thereby limiting exposure of healthcare providers; it is more comfortable for patients and it can be performed by a swab that is more readily available and manufacturable at scale,” the FDA said in a statement.

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More than 660,000 coronavirus cases have been reported in the US

There are at least 658,263 cases of coronavirus in the US and at least 32,186 people have died from the disease, according to Johns Hopkins University's tally of cases.

On Thursday, Johns Hopkins reported 29,114 new cases and 2,024 reported deaths.

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New Mexico governor on White House recovery plan: "We appreciate their suggestions"

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“We appreciate their suggestions, and we will evaluate them thoroughly,” said the Democratic governor, “but the plain overriding fact is we cannot put the cart before the horse.”

Grisham noted in a statement that Thursday had the highest daily number of coronavirus deaths New Mexico has recorded during the epidemic.

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Birx: "What we're seeing in most patients is that they recover and they have antibody"

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Cooper: But we don't know 100% for sure if someone is immune after getting the virus?

Birx: What we have the example of is the biology of someone getting infected, recovering and developing antibody. So in traditional infectious disease, that is the progress you would normally see and that antibody would be effective in controlling subsequent infections. I don't ever want to say never, but that's what we're seeing in most patients is that they recover and they have antibody.

Birx: "There is no disease where we test 140 million workers on a weekly basis"

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"Let's say we had 140 million workers in the United States. There is no disease where we test 140 million workers on a weekly basis," she said.

"The virus doesn't come from nowhere. It has to actually be in the community. So that's why you have to really have a combination of sentinel surveillance, some early warning systems like the syndromic and influenza-like illness, combined with testing."

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US social distancing measures are being followed more than expected, health metrics expert says

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"There's a bunch of providers out there sharing cell phone movement data, of course anoymized to protect people's privacy. But what that tells us is that there's been more social distancing across the country than I think we expected, even in some of the states that haven't had as strong mandates. So that's going to factor into our new estimates."

Murray said it appears that several states in the southern US may have smaller epidemics than previously expected.

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We don't know if newborns can get immunity, former Baltimore health commissioner says

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Dr. Wen: I've been thinking a lot about this as a new mother myself. There is a lot that's not yet known about Covid-19 and pregnancy. We do know that the antibody to coronavirus does cross the placenta and there are studies ongoing now to look at how much of the antibody, if any, is present in breast milk.

"There is a question that remains though, because even if the newborn is able to get those antibodies in some way, we still don't know if that gives that newborn immunity, meaning that the newborn somehow is less affected by coronavirus or gets a less severe form of it."

3 things need to happen before society can reopen, doctor says

Dr. Leana Wen, the former health commissioner for the city of Baltimore, told CNN's coronavirus town hall that three things need to happen before economies and society can reopen safely.

They are:
  1. Widespread testing capacity.
  2. Infrastructure for contact tracing and surveillance.
  3. A stabilized health care system.
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Coronavirus live news and updates: Cases top 2 million globally - CNN
 
  • #66
Some Aussies are actually more concerned about our upcoming winter (June/July/August), right now, as the virus may be less effective/invasive during warm weather - in a similar manner to other flu viruses.

Makes us wary about what our cooler temps - which are arriving now/soon - will bring.

People here are getting vaccinated for the flu season, to help minimise other illnesses during our upcoming winter.


The jury is still out on how much the weather is or is not influencing COVID-19, but a bad flu season on top of the current health crisis is the last thing we need this winter.
There is reason to think COVID-19 may spread more quickly in winter; it is a respiratory illness and spreads in a similar way to a cold or a flu.
Will COVID-19 get worse as winter sets in?

That's what I was thinking. Australia is in Fall now, with a fairly managed containment of the virus. Heading into Winter might not be too bad, but in the Spring there could be a second wave.
 
  • #67
Anyone else starting to forget what life was like "before"
 
  • #68
This is a couple of the many implications of the economic downturn. There can not be a "save every life" approach to this virus in America. There are human costs to however we choose to approach CV, and we better get it pretty close to right. The economic engine has to get going again.

Hundreds of thousands of children could die this year due to the global economic downturn sparked by the coronavirus pandemic and tens of millions more could fall into extreme poverty as a result of the crisis, the United Nations warned on Thursday.


“We must act now on each of these threats to our children,” U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said. “Leaders must do everything in their power to cushion the impact of the pandemic. What started as a public health emergency has snowballed into a formidable test for the global promise to leave no one behind.”

With businesses shut down and more than a billion people told to stay home to avoid spreading the virus, the International Monetary Fund has predicted the world would this year suffer its steepest downturn since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

U.N. warns economic downturn could kill hundreds of thousands of children in 2020

The head of the World Food Programme, who recently recovered from COVID-19, says at least 30 million people could die of starvation if the UN agency doesn’t receive critical funding needed to feed the world’s most vulnerable during the global pandemic.

David Beasley, executive director of WFP, says the organization relies on the financial support of governments to feed nearly 100 million people around the world, including 30 million who rely on life-saving food. As the novel coronavirus pandemic continues to hurt the world economy, Mr. Beasley says he is concerned governments will cut funding for WFP – a decision that could have grave consequences.


“If we lost our funding … a minimum 30 million would die. Over a three-month period, that would be 300,000 people dying per day,” Ms. Beasley said.

World Food Programme warns at least 30 million people could die of starvation during pandemic
 
  • #69
Why do these viruses come in waves? If it is here, doesn't it just stay here? I don't get how it goes away, and then comes back. What makes it go away? I would guess social distancing. But what makes it comes back, if you continue social distancing? What drives the next waves? Complacency?
 
  • #70
Anyone else starting to forget what life was like "before"

I remember so well sitting at Starbucks with a friends in early March, wondering at that time whether it would be the last time that people were at the open counter, sitting near each other, pulling sugar from the open shelf. I froze the day in my memory for some reason.
 
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  • #72
"Anyone else starting to forget what life was like before"

Forget no, there is more time to analyze it. For me, life moves much too quickly. This new world almost makes me lazy. It makes me wonder how people get through it without their vices and people around them. It makes life like something 100s of years ago in some ways.
 
  • #73
Why do these viruses come in waves? If it is here, doesn't it just stay here? I don't get how it goes away, and then comes back. What makes it go away? I would guess social distancing. But what makes it comes back, if you continue social distancing? What drives the next waves? Complacency?

The virus mutated and people were caught off guard 100 years ago. It was WW1 and troops were infected in the USA, they contaminated troops in Europe, those troops took the virus home to their families. The war ended November 11, 1918. March 1918 was the first wave, October 1918 was the second wave.

Travel allows the virus to mutate and travel. Distancing stopped the virus.

There's an interesting story here - father was the mayor of the town. They knew the virus was coming closer and closer. He went with his father to post notices on all roads into town: "quarantine", even though no one in the town was sick. They hoped to keep the virus out. The post man brought it into the town and everyone got sick.

Influenza 1918 | American Experience | PBS
 
  • #74
There's an interesting story here - father was the mayor of the town. They knew the virus was coming closer and closer. He went with his father to post notices on all roads into town: "quarantine", even though no one in the town was sick. They hoped to keep the virus out. The post man brought it into the town and everyone got sick.

Influenza 1918 | American Experience | PBS

Yeah, I think I read or watched some of these stories last month. There are some great documentaries on youtube about 1918.
 
  • #75
Yes I will treasure my time with those I love more than ever. I was trying to think back as to some simple things and trying to remember exactly when I did them. Taking the granddoggy out to the Lake etc. etc.
 
  • #76
Pandemics were not really covered in school, where I went. They skipped right over 1918 and WWI, and really concentrated of WW2 and the Depression. It was almost like a cover up, that so many died in 1918 near my area, and they just moved on, rather than learn lessons, they buried the history to an extent.
 
  • #77
Anyone else starting to forget what life was like "before"
My life hasn't changed drastically. My hours have been cut but I still go to work four days a week. I wear a mask when I go to the grocery store now.
 
  • #78
Never thought I would see the day where laundry and cleaning was sooo exciting just to break up the day.
 
  • #79
What helps me is that I see my mom multiple times a week still. Of course, it’s from the bottom of her upstairs apartment stairs, looking up at her as I put stuff onto her lift chair to go up, or pick up a batch of cookies she has left for us. It’s not the same as hanging out, but seeing her is still a very good thing.
 
  • #80
Night all. Be safe and be kind.
 
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