Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #48

[BeckyF]

No one is going to want to use the public bathrooms ... ewh!

It will be a long time before I use a public bathroom. I'd have to be desperate.

 

[LadyL]

"Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus," they write in the journal article.

The coronavirus did not escape from a lab. Here's how we know. | Live Science

 

[musicaljoke]

I keep thinking about that video from earlier today which showed the micro-droplets escaping from peoples mouth’s under a high tech camera. I don’t know if I’ll ever get that vision out of my head now whenever I’m talking to someone.

(Grabbing video for reference)

Did you happen to read this page about transmission on the worldometer page? I donno if it's new or if I just missed it earlier, but it is informative about how the virus is transmitted, and what common items can be contaminated. Coronavirus Transmission: How COVID-19 Spreads - Worldometer

 

[NuttMegg]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...-latest-news/#link-UTTMRRGYH5H7BNOS5LEMXJ2Q5I

8:50 p.m.
Fauci rejects suggestion that novel coronavirus was man-made
Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and a key member of President Trump’s pandemic task force, on Friday rejected suggestions the novel coronavirus was man-made.

During the White House daily briefing, Fauci said, “The mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.”

Fauci cited evolutionary virologists who studied “the sequences there and the sequences in bats as they evolve.”

Speculation and conspiracy theories center on a virology institute in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the outbreak began this winter. One theory suggested the crisis was the result of biological weapons research.

In interviews with The Washington Post in January, several experts said the virus was not man-made. “Based on the virus genome and properties there is no indication whatsoever that it was an engineered virus,” said Richard Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University.

 

[cass523]

I think the problem here is that the lungs are compromised as described but it seems to happen somewhat overnight. Patients are arriving hospital at a critical stage or after the gunk and cells can be successfully treated. I think early testing (and pre-lung care is going to be the new mandate to replace shelter in place (or should be). MOO

Yes, some doctors say this develops during the second to third week of being infected. It comes out of no where, people can't breathe. But other's infected never go through this. Then everything doctors are learning about ventilator usage too. Sadly, it took time to figure this all out, standard protocol didn't fit

They now know, after a few months of treating covid patients, they can't operate the ventilator the same way they would a patient( not infected) in respiratory failure. In these patients their muscles are too tired to breathe for them, so the ventilator does all the breathing

Covid patients do not have the same problem with their muscles being too tired to breathe. They can breathe on their own. But if the ventilator pressures is too high, the forced oxygen causes trauma to air sacs damaging the lungs, so the ventilator pressure needs to be set, or operated differently, at a lower pressure. Treatment is different for each patient. Although they have low oxygen levels in their blood, they don't necessarily have to be intubated.

I first heard about the damage/deaths from the usage of ventilators a few weeks ago from a NY, ER doctor, Dr. Cameron Kyle Sydell. He wrote a letter and did a YouTube video to spread the word to other doctors across the country about what he has figured out in nine days, treating covid patients

April 6th

Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell is an ED-ICU Doc at Maimonides in New York, currently under the COVID fire. He clearly challenged the widespread, even if only recent belief, that one should intubate the COVID patients quite early, usually much earlier than one would in typical respiratory failure.

"This is Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sydell, E.R a critical care doctor from New York City. Nine days ago I opened an intensive care unit to care for the sickest COVID positive patients in the city, and in these nine days I’ve seen things I’ve never seen before.

In treating these patients, I have witnessed medical phenomena that just don’t make sense in the context of treating a disease that is supposed to be a viral pneumonia. Nine days ago I presume that opening an intensive care unit to treat patients with a virus causing a pneumonia that was ravaging lungs across the world starting out as something mild: cough and a sore throat, and progressively increasing in severity until ultimately ending in something called Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome or ARDS.

This is the paradigm that every hospital in the country is working under. This is the disease, ARDS, that every hospital is preparing to treat. And this is the disease, ARDS, for which in the next 2 to 6 weeks 100,000 Americans might be put on a ventilator, and yet, everything I’ve seen in the last nine days – all the things that just don’t make sense: the patients I’m seeing in front of me, the lungs I’m trying to improve have led me to believe that COVID-19 is not this disease, and that we are operating under a medical paradigm that is untrue. In short, I believe we are treating the wrong disease, and I fear this misguided treatment will lead to a tremendous amount of harm to a great number of people in a very short time. As New York City appears to be about 10 days ahead of the country I feel compelled to get this information out. COVID-19 lung disease, as far as I can see, is not a pneumonia and should not be treated as one.

Rather, it appears as some kind of viral induced disease, most resembling high altitude sickness. It is as if tens of thousands of my fellow New Yorkers are on a plane at 30,000 feet in the cabin pressure is slowly being let out. These patients are slowly being starved of oxygen. I’ve seen patients depending on oxygen take off their oxygen and quickly progressed to a state of anxiety and emotional distress and eventually get blue in the face. And while they look like patients absolutely on the brink of death, they do not look like patients dying of pneumonia.

I’ve never been a mountain climber, and I do not know the conditions at base camp below the highest peaks in the world, but I suspect that the patients I’m seeing in front of me look most like as if a person was dropped off on the top of Mount Everest without time to acclimate."
(Letter continues )

Kyle-Sidell, MD: It's not pneumonia but high altitude pulmonary edema | American Press Association

A Doctor from ICU in New York, Speaks about what Is really happening with COVID19 patients
No matter what your thoughts are on Covid19, This NEEDS to be listened to...

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France

"A global debate has emerged among doctors treating COVID-19: When should patients who need help breathing be placed on ventilators -- and could intubation do some people more harm than good?

It's one of the biggest medical questions of the day, along with how effective the antimalarial hydroxychloroquine really is, a US doctor told AFP.

The statistics are also bad in the United Kingdom and in New York, where 80 percent of intubated patients die, according to the state's governor, often after spending a week or two in intensive care in which they are placed in an artificial coma and their muscles atrophy."

Doctors think ventilators might harm some COVID-19 patients - France 24

 

[Kensie]

It will be a long time before I use a public bathroom. I'd have to be desperate.

It is really scary to think about that. I dread having to go back to work at the office.
the cleaning lady at work does do a good job.

No way I will use a public restroom at Walmart, McDonalds , airplanes , etc. if I can absolutely avoid it

 

[NuttMegg]

Yes, some doctors say this develops during the second to third week of being infected. It comes out of no where, people can't breathe. But other's infected never go through this. Then everything doctors are learning about ventilator usage too. Sadly, it took time to figure this all out, standard protocol didn't fit

They now know, after a few months of treating covid patients, they can't operate the ventilator the same way they would a patient in respiratory failure. In these patients their muscles are too tired to breathe for them, so the ventilator takes over to breathe for them

Covid patients do not have the same problem with their muscles being too tired to breathe. They can breathe on their own. But if the ventilator pressures is too high, the forced oxygen causes trauma to air sacs damaging the lungs, so the ventilator pressure needs to be set, or operated differently, at a lower pressure. Treatment is different for each patient. Although they have low oxygen levels in their blood, they don't necessarily have to be intubated.

I first heard about the damage/deaths from the usage of ventilators a few weeks ago from a NY, ER doctor, Dr. Cameron Kyle Sydell. He wrote a letter and did a YouTube video to spread the word to other doctors across the country about what he has figured out in nine days, treating covid patients

April 6th

Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell is an ED-ICU Doc at Maimonides in New York, currently under the COVID fire. He clearly challenged the widespread, even if only recent belief, that one should intubate the COVID patients quite early, usually much earlier than one would in typical respiratory failure.

"This is Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sydell, E.R and critical care doctor from New York City. Nine days ago I opened an intensive care unit to care for the sickest COVID positive patients in the city, and in these nine days I’ve seen things I’ve never seen before.

In treating these patients, I have witnessed medical phenomena that just don’t make sense in the context of treating a disease that is supposed to be a viral pneumonia. Nine days ago I presume that was opening intensive care unit to treat patients with a virus causing a pneumonia that was ravaging lungs across the world starting out as something mild: cough and a sore throat, and progressively increasing in severity until ultimately ending in something called Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome or ARDS.

This is the paradigm that every hospital in the country is working under. This is the disease, ARDS, that every hospital is preparing to treat. And this is the disease, ARDS, for which in the next 2 to 6 weeks 100,000 Americans might be put on a ventilator, and yet, everything I’ve seen in the last nine days – all the things that just don’t make sense: the patients I’m seeing in front of me, the lungs I’m trying to improve have led me to believe that COVID-19 is not this disease, and that we are operating under a medical paradigm that is untrue. In short, I believe we are treating the wrong disease, and I fear this misguided treatment will lead to a tremendous amount of harm to a great number of people in a very short time. As New York City appears to be about 10 days ahead of the country I feel compelled to get this information out. COVID-19 lung disease, as far as I can see, is not a pneumonia and should not be treated as one.

Rather, it appears as some kind of viral induced disease, most resembling high altitude sickness. It is as if tens of thousands of my fellow New Yorkers are on a plane at 30,000 feet in the cabin pressure is slowly being let out. These patients are slowly being starved of oxygen. I’ve seen patients depending on oxygen take off their oxygen and quickly progressed to a state of anxiety and emotional distress and eventually get blue in the face. And while they look like patients absolutely on the brink of death, they do not look like patients dying of pneumonia.

I’ve never been a mountain climber, and I do not know the conditions at base camp blow the highest peaks in the world, but I suspect that the patients I’m seeing in front of me look most like as if a person was dropped off on the top of Mount Everest without time to acclimate."
(Letter continues )

Kyle-Sidell, MD: It's not pneumonia but high altitude pulmonary edema | American Press Association

A Doctor from ICU in New York, Speaks about what Is really happening with COVID19 patients
No matter what your thoughts are on Covid19, This NEEDS to be listened to...

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For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

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France

"A global debate has emerged among doctors treating COVID-19: When should patients who need help breathing be placed on ventilators -- and could intubation do some people more harm than good?

It's one of the biggest medical questions of the day, along with how effective the antimalarial hydroxychloroquine really is, a US doctor told AFP.

The statistics are also bad in the United Kingdom and in New York, where 80 percent of intubated patients die, according to the state's governor, often after spending a week or two in intensive care in which they are placed in an artificial coma and their muscles atrophy."

Doctors think ventilators might harm some COVID-19 patients - France 24

So interesting. Thanks, cass523

 

[Kensie]

We need Trudie to give us a visual on public restrooms. Trudie's visuals have really opened my eyes - the one about gas station coffee - was my biggest eye opener.

 

[LadyL]

The situation facing workers at the Cargill Protein facility in High River, Alta. has gotten much worse, officials confirmed Friday.

The province announced there are now 358 confirmed cases of coronavirus among the workers and their households throughout southern Alberta.

More than 350 cases of COVID-19 confirmed in connection with Cargill meat plant

 

[10ofRods]

I have not been wiping things down like most of you. I know I should. My spouse is tired of my high anxiety and thinks I am over-reacting. I am grateful that I am able to work from home. The cases in my state are increasing and so are the death rates. We are supposed to peak 4/21 but I am not seeing that happening. I am so glad that I don't have to home school kids, I would be terrible at it. Around here local high schools are having a graduation celebration in July.

Went to Walmart the other day , lots of people and I was very stressed. The ice cream aisle was wiped out - I just wanted to cry.

I can totally relate. I don't wipe things down as much as some people here. It's because I don't want to spin into more anxiety and compulsion and I think the stress of it (for me) might cancel out the benefit. I don't think the risk is high.

I wouldn't be able to go to a big store like WalMart, though. That's age-dependent, I think. If you're under 50 and you don't hang out with the over 50 folks for another month, WalMart is fine - but it may continue to lack stock, as it depends on giant warehouses and interstate trucking (especially for things like frozen food). There may be stores with local warehousing...I feel for you. Hope your state is past the peak and things will get better.

Also glad to hear there will be a graduation in July.

 

[mickey2942]

Our favorite cowboy bar, is crowded, and lots of fun. Slow dancing, hollering, riding a mechanical bull. Nothing is more fun than watching folks do karaoke to "Stand By Your Man". Drinking tequila poppers, jello shots, and playing "Beer Pong".

That was before Coronavirus.

How is this business going to change? We will all be wearing gloves and masks, standing 6 feet away from each other, perhaps doing a line dance at an appropriate social distance. Wiping down the bull with Clorox wipes after every ride, and replacing the sterile paper sheets under the bull before the next rider. No more "Beer Pong". I guess that we can drink beer with our masks, thru a straw. The karaoke should be fun, with a mask. Forget the poppers. Should be a lot of fun.

 

[ilovewings]

Yes, some doctors say this develops during the second to third week of being infected. It comes out of no where, people can't breathe. But other's infected never go through this. Then everything doctors are learning about ventilator usage too. Sadly, it took time to figure this all out, standard protocol didn't fit

They now know, after a few months of treating covid patients, they can't operate the ventilator the same way they would a patient( not infected) in respiratory failure. In these patients their muscles are too tired to breathe for them, so the ventilator does all the breathing

Covid patients do not have the same problem with their muscles being too tired to breathe. They can breathe on their own. But if the ventilator pressures is too high, the forced oxygen causes trauma to air sacs damaging the lungs, so the ventilator pressure needs to be set, or operated differently, at a lower pressure. Treatment is different for each patient. Although they have low oxygen levels in their blood, they don't necessarily have to be intubated.

I first heard about the damage/deaths from the usage of ventilators a few weeks ago from a NY, ER doctor, Dr. Cameron Kyle Sydell. He wrote a letter and did a YouTube video to spread the word to other doctors across the country about what he has figured out in nine days, treating covid patients

April 6th

Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell is an ED-ICU Doc at Maimonides in New York, currently under the COVID fire. He clearly challenged the widespread, even if only recent belief, that one should intubate the COVID patients quite early, usually much earlier than one would in typical respiratory failure.

"This is Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sydell, E.R a critical care doctor from New York City. Nine days ago I opened an intensive care unit to care for the sickest COVID positive patients in the city, and in these nine days I’ve seen things I’ve never seen before.

In treating these patients, I have witnessed medical phenomena that just don’t make sense in the context of treating a disease that is supposed to be a viral pneumonia. Nine days ago I presume that opening an intensive care unit to treat patients with a virus causing a pneumonia that was ravaging lungs across the world starting out as something mild: cough and a sore throat, and progressively increasing in severity until ultimately ending in something called Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome or ARDS.

This is the paradigm that every hospital in the country is working under. This is the disease, ARDS, that every hospital is preparing to treat. And this is the disease, ARDS, for which in the next 2 to 6 weeks 100,000 Americans might be put on a ventilator, and yet, everything I’ve seen in the last nine days – all the things that just don’t make sense: the patients I’m seeing in front of me, the lungs I’m trying to improve have led me to believe that COVID-19 is not this disease, and that we are operating under a medical paradigm that is untrue. In short, I believe we are treating the wrong disease, and I fear this misguided treatment will lead to a tremendous amount of harm to a great number of people in a very short time. As New York City appears to be about 10 days ahead of the country I feel compelled to get this information out. COVID-19 lung disease, as far as I can see, is not a pneumonia and should not be treated as one.

Rather, it appears as some kind of viral induced disease, most resembling high altitude sickness. It is as if tens of thousands of my fellow New Yorkers are on a plane at 30,000 feet in the cabin pressure is slowly being let out. These patients are slowly being starved of oxygen. I’ve seen patients depending on oxygen take off their oxygen and quickly progressed to a state of anxiety and emotional distress and eventually get blue in the face. And while they look like patients absolutely on the brink of death, they do not look like patients dying of pneumonia.

I’ve never been a mountain climber, and I do not know the conditions at base camp blow the highest peaks in the world, but I suspect that the patients I’m seeing in front of me look most like as if a person was dropped off on the top of Mount Everest without time to acclimate."
(Letter continues )

Kyle-Sidell, MD: It's not pneumonia but high altitude pulmonary edema | American Press Association

A Doctor from ICU in New York, Speaks about what Is really happening with COVID19 patients
No matter what your thoughts are on Covid19, This NEEDS to be listened to...

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France

"A global debate has emerged among doctors treating COVID-19: When should patients who need help breathing be placed on ventilators -- and could intubation do some people more harm than good?

It's one of the biggest medical questions of the day, along with how effective the antimalarial hydroxychloroquine really is, a US doctor told AFP.

The statistics are also bad in the United Kingdom and in New York, where 80 percent of intubated patients die, according to the state's governor, often after spending a week or two in intensive care in which they are placed in an artificial coma and their muscles atrophy."

Doctors think ventilators might harm some COVID-19 patients - France 24

i have concluded that virus is pure evil - it has the a ability to wipe out
millions on this entire planet

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Well they've set up temporary hospitals, maybe they'll set up temporary schools in order to social distance? In Ohio they had special day care provided for medical personnel' children. They were set up so each child was always at least 6 feet apart.

Ok, but unless each carer washes up and changes clothing between caring for each individual kid, they could still spread it kid to kid.

Of course, it’s still got to be better than turning them all loose together.

 

[Bravo]

What are 'COVID toes'? Dermatologists, podiatrists share strange findings

 

[ilovewings]

It is really scary to think about that. I dread having to go back to work at the office.
the cleaning lady at work does do a good job.

No way I will use a public restroom at Walmart, McDonalds , airplanes , etc. if I can absolutely avoid it

From what i have read you really dont get transmission of the virus from
a toilet seat--i hope that is true because i have to pee quite often and nee d to
use public restrooms

 

[Henry2326]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...-latest-news/#link-UTTMRRGYH5H7BNOS5LEMXJ2Q5I

8:50 p.m.
Fauci rejects suggestion that novel coronavirus was man-made
Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and a key member of President Trump’s pandemic task force, on Friday rejected suggestions the novel coronavirus was man-made.

During the White House daily briefing, Fauci said, “The mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.”

Fauci cited evolutionary virologists who studied “the sequences there and the sequences in bats as they evolve.”

Speculation and conspiracy theories center on a virology institute in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the outbreak began this winter. One theory suggested the crisis was the result of biological weapons research.

In interviews with The Washington Post in January, several experts said the virus was not man-made. “Based on the virus genome and properties there is no indication whatsoever that it was an engineered virus,” said Richard Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University.

I think he used the word "impossible"...

 

[Henry2326]

BAD YEAR FOR BOATS....
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1,081 sailors aboard the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle have tested positive for coronavirus; hundreds more are still waiting for their results. Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline

 

[Henry2326]

NEW: Russia reports 4,069 new cases of coronavirus and 41 new deaths, a daily record

Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline

 

[Kensie]

I can totally relate. I don't wipe things down as much as some people here. It's because I don't want to spin into more anxiety and compulsion and I think the stress of it (for me) might cancel out the benefit. I don't think the risk is high.

I wouldn't be able to go to a big store like WalMart, though. That's age-dependent, I think. If you're under 50 and you don't hang out with the over 50 folks for another month, WalMart is fine - but it may continue to lack stock, as it depends on giant warehouses and interstate trucking (especially for things like frozen food). There may be stores with local warehousing...I feel for you. Hope your state is past the peak and things will get better.

Also glad to hear there will be a graduation in July.

I really prefer to go to Publix but my husband says they are too expensive. Again, I ask him, why am I the only one that knows how to go to a store. I can usually get in/out of Walmart in less then 20 minutes. I am always on a mission when I shop, even before the virus.. The tall aisles make me claustrophobic. I have to get in and get out. I cannot go to Dollar General because the aisles are so narrow and around my area it is like going to the Twilight Zone.

 

[Kensie]

From what i have read you really dont get transmission of the virus from
a toilet seat--i hope that is true because i have to pee quite often and nee d to
use public restrooms

I guess if you can find lysol wipes and use those and kind of squat would be okay.