Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #49

[Tillicum]

It's good that they can get gardening supplies, but why the rational that only certain stores can sell these supplies? IMO when I go to a garden center, whether it be in a big box or a small garden center, at least 1/2 of it is outdoors. Small stores also won't have the staff or the experience to keep their stores virus clean, whereas bigger stores have been doing necessary sanitizing daily. I love small stores, and support them, but I think this is wrong to not allow big box stores to also sell. Further more, it requires people to go to more than one store for their needs, which is certainly increasing the chance that they are exposed to the virus.

I've contacted some of my favorite vendors at the local farmers markets which should start up next week (but won't), and one has told me he will be selling his early produce at a smaller garden center. Whoo Hoo.

MOO

I've noticed that some local craigslist 'farm and garden' have ads for plants and other supplies. Maybe there would be less risk of exposure?

 

[Teche]

If some of you are considering growing your own veggies, my husband bought these gardening bags from Amazon. The fabric is similar to the black cloth you’d use in a garden or flower bed. The bags are cheap...5 5 gallon bags for $15.00. The bags have handles and are easy to move around. We have tomatoes, bell peppers, cucumbers, and eggplants. The “garden” is doing great and drains well.
We downsized a year ago from acreage to a subdivision/small lot.

 

[CSIDreamer]

More testing for Indiana! US.

Last week, after a few hours, they let absolutely anyone (over age 12), with any symptoms, get tested - with Indiana proof of residency.

State health department announces 4 new COVID-19 drive-thru clinics

 

[CSIDreamer]

If some of you are considering growing your own veggies, my husband bought these gardening bags from Amazon. The fabric is similar to the black cloth you’d use in a garden or flower bed. The bags are cheap...5 5 gallon bags for $15.00. The bags have handles and are easy to move around. We have tomatoes, bell peppers, cucumbers, and eggplants. The “garden” is doing great and drains well.
We downsized a year ago from acreage to a subdivision/small lot.

So you use the bag as sort of a planter?

 

[Henry2326]

COLORADO

CO cases appear to be flattening but can't yet say the same for deaths.

Positivity rate is 20.7...needs to be 5....
Tests per 1000 people is 7.3....needs to be 50.

Testing....testing....testing...

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[margarita25]

I wonder how many new children are suffering from malnutrition as a result of all this.

It was really cool to see on the concert yesterday all the organizations and people mobilizing to feed people, and children.

Children, we know, suffer malnutrition all over the world every day, even before this.

But how many people now can’t feed their children as well as they could before. Will malnutrition-related diseases and conditions present themselves in the near future and over time?

I think about the thousands of cars in San Antonio and other places waiting in line for food donations. How long can they sustain? I hope all these people have some help from someone, somewhere. A lot of people haven’t gotten their stimulus checks yet.

Anyway, my troubled thoughts.. How many kids are hungry and parents have to say “there is no food”, or maybe “we can eat a meal tonight but you have to wait”...

This makes me so sad

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ETA: I’ve said it since day 1 that I’ve been waiting for the National Guard to help with food logistics.

 

[10ofRods]

Good morning, everyone! (At least, it's morning for me).

There's some good news on the CoVid research front. While that Stanford study showed that about 3% of people they studied had the antibodies to CoVid, a study in San Francisco (UCSF) that was much broader in terms of population, showed that about 30% of people had the antibodies. The differences in the two studies can be explained due to the two different populations (one suburban, in occupations where social distancing was built in, self-selected and more concerned about CoVid, etc).

Studies from New York are showing similar antibody rates (maybe as high as 40%). This is extremely good news and it means that when we can all get Ab testing, many of us will get good news.

Another fascinating set of research papers ( peer reviewed ) are causing a re-think of how this particular CoVid is killing people. The research seems to show that it acts in a manner to damage blood vessels, in a complex manner that causes microthrombosis, usually in the lungs first. This explains the foot rashes that some have experienced and apparently the multi-organ damage. CoVid-19 may disable the walls of blood vessels from expanding and contracting to push blood through the body, leading to coagulation of the blood in the small vessels first (thrombosis). These studies are based on increased autopsy data, but also a lot of other study.

I cannot understand every detail of these two articles, although most nurses can get most of what they're saying. Most doctors need to be specialists in this field to understand all of it, but these papers left me in awe as to how much doctors need to know to even get a vague handle on this disease:

https://www.esicm.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/902_author_proof.pdf

(peer reviewed, not juried yet)

https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1164/rccm.202003-0817LE

(peer reviewed, juried)

First is based on NY data, second on Italy's experience. Interdisciplinary authors, international work. It's very promising. The conclusion is that ventilators should be used only as a last resort, and that anticoagulant therapy is indicated in many hospitalized patients (there's a test they can give prior to administering these drugs to see if they are relatively safe for the patient). I did see that some patients are now getting anticoagulants for CoVid-19.

Two more studies on the hydrochloroquin (Paquinel?) show it doesn't work. (Not surprising, it's built to kill an entirely different kind of organism).

And as to curves and models - algorithms have to be constantly revised. IMHE model never intended to predict past August - so if there are 65,000 Americans dead by August, that's an incredible number, and we haven't even started into season 2 of this. If we look at the various Ab data, it's possible that 15-20% of us may have antibodies by August (let's pray it is higher, but many people live away from hot spots). That means that 80% of us will once again be vulnerable next winter (there's increasing evidence that hot weather kills the virus quickly outdoors, which should surely help and should guide what kinds of places open first - outdoor venues, daytime games, etc - no indoor sports!) It's entirely possible that we will see 40,000 people die next year if we don't find better treatment or a vaccine. Vaccine experts are cautiously optimistic.

By "hot weather" the studies I read meant above 90F. Also, there are conflicting data about humidity. Heat from sunlight combined with other factors outdoors seem to inhibit it (you can't just kill it with 90F heat, although oddly, it would seem to slow its rate of reproduction and thereby lower the amount of viral load).

One last thing: a major possible vector comes from a study of heating/AC ducts in the San Francisco area. Only one restaurant studied, but its vents were rife with Coronavirus. The system was being used for air circulation, not heating. Further studies needed, but it does show a possible vector for many nursing homes...

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Well, that's a lovely thought, but I would like to see more confirmation of this before I put my trust in that graph.

Is this post saying prefer the numbers and facts, vs. a visual of the numbers and facts? If one goes to many sites on the internet, one can get confirmation of the decrease. (An R0 less than 1 = the graph and numbers downtown... some indicators are lagging as we have discussed again and again). Or is this post stating "don't believe that R0 decreasing/ is not related to decreasing numbers"? Not sure what this post is wanting as to confirmation, or mistrust in a graph from numbers that are facts? Could this post possibly expound?

 

[firebird]

I lived an hour outside Toronto during SARS so it felt quite real to me

Although I’ve heard of sars, I didn’t give it a thought at the time, apparently. I had to look up when it happened and even that didn’t jar any memories.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

The FDA has opened the floodgates to allow all sorts of unsupported "tests" to be used in the US. They don't have enough personnel to review the many pages of documentation and data that a test usually requires, so right now all they require are some preliminary forms.

I have reviewed some test validation data on some of these rapid serology tests from China. They are very poorly supported and should not be used.

Remember Spain wasted $400 million on such inadequate and poorly designed tests from China. They had a sensitivity rate of 36%.

That means if 100 patients were positive, the test would only detect 36.
You would be better off flipping a coin. That would be more accurate than a test with a sensitivity rate of only 36%. The specificity was also very poor. They made no effort to correct for any of the other coronaviruses we may come in contact with ( there are 6 others that may be found in humans, at this time)

There are a few more very good tests coming on the market that are made by legitimate US or European laboratory test makers. They are far superior in accuracy and sensitivity than these worthless tests from China.

I've not seen breakouts on such sensitivity/specificity for specific tests. Do you have a link for such now, or in the future when you come across?

Keeping in mind, South Korea had their first positive test the same day the United States did and tested huge..I've been wanting to find what was that test sensitivity and specificity within your research for South Korea?

TIA

 

[margarita25]

According to their website, the Colorado seed company whom I’ve been using for years, Botanical Interests, will be taking online orders on April 19 at 2pm:


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I also know of 4 online companies who are taking delivery orders for food items, it takes a week or two to ship but message me if anyone wants a hook up on healthy tortillas, Hispanic Foods, or nuts. These were a big help when I couldn’t get a delivery slot via local online grocery.

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Thankfully I was able to already get all my seeds, soil and gardening supplies when I did my early preparations.

 

[tresir2012]

What coronavirus symptoms look like, day by day

This is a really good video explaining the symptoms day by day.

 

[margarita25]

I've not seen breakouts on such sensitivity/specificity for specific tests. Do you have a link for such now, or in the future when you come across?

Keeping in mind, South Korea had their first positive test the same day the United States did and tested huge..I've been wanting to find what was that test sensitivity and specificity within your research for South Korea?

TIA

Dixie, I have a question for you, or anyone who knows. Sorry if this has been covered/answered, I’m still not clear on this:

If someone is asymptomatic, and never develops symptoms, how long do they carry the virus within them? 2 weeks? A month? Indefinitely? Unanswered? How long can someone be a potential “carrier”? Tia.

 

[firebird]

230 nursing homes in Georgia infected with COVID19! Some states are not releasing this information, some are such as Georgia which lists in this article all of them, their names and addresses etc.

.State agency: Confirmed COVID-19 cases at 230 nursing homes, facilities across Georgia

My kids ggm has it at a facility in Atlanta. She is in her mid-90’s and seems to be out of the woods. The hardest part for her and her husband - who is also mid 90’s and in the same facility - is the isolation. Their daughter got them an iPad, but it’s not the same. How awful to live your whole long life and at the end be isolated from everyone and everything you love. That alone will probably be the death of a lot of the nursing home residents imo. They will lose their will to live. Jmo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Dixie, I have a question for you, or anyone who knows. Sorry if this has been covered/answered, I’m still not clear on this:

If someone is asymptomatic, and never develops symptoms, how long do they carry the virus within them? 2 weeks? A month? Indefinitely? Unanswered? How long can someone be a potential “carrier”? Tia.

I've not seen carrier mentioned anywhere in my google scholar reviews, or even MSM. Dr. Campbell and Dr. Scheultz (I've gotta learn how to correctly spell his name) have stated against such that would suggest there will be long term carriers of INFECTIOUS particles. (e.g. tuberculosis).

Could, long term, there be? By someone who doesn't have a suffiecient immune system? Dunno... time will tell. MOO

ETA: TB hides in a body and is infectious iirc long term due to it's coat... this virus doesn't have such.

 

[margarita25]

I've not seen carrier mentioned anywhere in my google scholar reviews, or even MSM. Dr. Campbell and Dr. Scheultz (I've gotta learn how to correctly spell his name) have stated against such that would suggest there will be long term carriers of INFECTIOUS particles. (e.g. tuberculosis).

Could, long term, there by? By someone who doesn't have a suffiecient immune system? Dunno... time will tell. MOO

Maybe “carrier” isn’t the right word.

I mean asymtopmatic people who never knowingly develop the virus. How long can they remain infectious to others?

While asymptomatic transmission may not be the driver in this disease, we know it can happen.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

EXCELLENT VIDEO AND PRIMER

MOO Interesting as this thread has been discussing such in the last few days, and someone posted a video of a doc discussing. At that time, I said to see Dr. Seheult... and the Doc is discussing AGAIN, and trying to clear this up AGAIN today about this subject.

Coronavirus Pandemic Update 58: Testing; Causes of Hypoxemia in COVID-19 (V/Q vs Shunt vs Diffusion)

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ETA: The poster that brought in the original video that is being discussed by Dr. Seheult was @Harmony 2 (thanks Harmony!) who yesterday posted such. Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #48

ETA #2: He's doing another "whack a mole" on what is being talked about on the internet also and showing peer review of an article of the Santa Clara study

 

[24Roses]

Iowa numbers today: April 19: 389 new COVID-19 cases in Iowa, 1 additional death 389 new positive cases confirmed and 1 more passed. We now have 2, 902 confirmed cases and 75 passed. Of these new numbers today, 84 positive are from Tyson (doesn't say which plants as IMO there are 3 with outbreaks here) and 177 are from National Beef in IMO is in Tama. So that is a total of 261 from those 2 meat plants. Good news is we do have 1, 171 recovered.

 

[margarita25]

I hear people coughing walking by and it freaks me out.

A lady just walked by totally messing with her mask, pulling it down, pulling it up, touching her face..

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Maybe “carrier” isn’t the right word.

I mean asymtopmatic people who never knowingly develop the virus. How long can they remain infectious to others?

While asymptomatic transmission may not be the driver in this disease, we know it can happen.

I believe that early on, it was stated that asymptomatic transmission was not the driver. Yet NOW, it is coming out and widely accepted that asymptomatic and PREsymptomatic (which MSM and some scientists interchange) may be almost 1/2 of potential to transmit... and the virus load and spread is highest 2 days before symptoms and then 2 days after starts to decline.

MOO