Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #51

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  • #441
Trying to look on the bright side. So what if I can't breathe. Wearing a mask might have advantages for some people. It could mean:
  • no makeup & no lipstick
  • no need to wax or shave as often
  • no need for fat lip plumb treatments
  • no need for lower face botox
  • no one notices spinach in your teeth
  • stop buying teeth whiteners
  • forgo front tooth replacements
  • :p oops forgot my mask :D

:D
 
  • #442
Trying to look on the bright side. So what if I can't breathe. Wearing a mask might have advantages for some people. It could mean:
  • no makeup & no lipstick
  • no need to wax or shave as often
  • no need for fat lip plumb treatments
  • no need for lower face botox
  • no one notices spinach in your teeth
  • stop buying teeth whiteners
  • forgo front tooth replacements
  • :p oops forgot my mask :D

In the 1918 documentary I was revisiting and we were discussing earlier, there was a family photo taken in Kansas, iirc, and they all had masks on (except the cat). It was, interesting, that sooo long ago, they did the whole mask thing.

ETA: let me pull the time stamp on the documentary. This photo has really resonated with me.

ETA2: Documentary
 
  • #443
We keep hearing that there's no indication that antibodies means immunity.
We are not hearing that there's no indication that people can get sick twice.

I think that means that people can get sick twice, so antibodies do not equate to immunity. That doesn't mean that plasma treatment doesn't help.

Having the common cold once doesn't mean we won't get sick with it again. The covid-19 virus could come back again and again, with no immunity, each time our bodies weaker than before the virus.

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  • #444
In the 1918 documentary I was revisiting and we were discussing earlier, there was a family photo taken in Kansas, iirc, and they all had masks on (except the cat). It was, interesting, that sooo long ago, they did the whole mask thing.

ETA: let me pull the time stamp on the documentary. This photo has really resonated with me.

ETA2: Documentary

Even home made masking is the same. These photos from an article about the 1918 pandemic in Canada:

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/spanish-flu-covid-coronavirus-canada-manitoba-1.5523410
 
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  • #446
I found a recipe thread here Recipes to share during Coronavirus quarantine

But I didn't find a thread about food. I posted about using Mountain House freeze dried food for emergency's or for long term storage to prepare for a pandemic.

Freeze dried food isn't a recipe. Is there another thread for food that I missed?

No separate thread strictly entitled "food", but at least the recipe thread is more relevant for ongoing recipe discussion. A post such as yours relating to emergency preparation during pandemic would be appropriate here, and possibly copied to Grocery shopping tips during Coronavirus quarantine.
 
  • #447
My boy! You knew what I was throwin down! :)

There's a PBS documentary about the 1918 pandemic. Have you seen it?

Influenza 1918 | American Experience | PBS

What struck me was the mayor who posted quarantine signs on all roads into his town, even though no one was sick. The postman was the only person who arrived and left, everyone in the town became sick.
 
  • #448
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I think it should be remembered that the US has 340 million people, compared to 38 million, in our great nation North of our border.

"Canada as a whole has a population density of just 4 people per square kilometers, which makes it the 228th most densely populated country. The population density is among the lowest in the world, mostly because a great deal of the country to the north is virtually uninhabited.Feb 17, 2020"
Canada Population 2020 (Demographics, Maps, Graphs)

Maybe it makes more sense to look at the statistics between the state of California and our neighbours to the North. Same population, seems more of a fair comparis0n.
 
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06:30 Germany reported 1,737 new infections, bringing the total to 154,175, according to the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), the country's public health

[...]

05:50 A pregnant woman in the United States had a baby while in a coronavirus-related coma, the New York hospital that treated her confirmed.

The woman was in the sixth month of pregnancy when on April 5 she was brought to the hospital with a bad cough. After her condition worsened, doctors chose to put her into a medically induced coma. On April 8, they made the decision to deliver the baby via Caesarian section,

"We chose to deliver the baby in order to lower the mother's need for oxygen," the woman's doctor told the US daily the New York Post. The woman came out of her coma on April 10. Her daughter has since tested negative for the coronavirus and both are now at home.

05:40 Health Canada, the country's department of health, has cautioned against the use of malaria drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to prevent or treat COVID-19.

The drugs may cause serious side effects that include heart rhythm problems, the health department said, adding that they should only be used if prescribed by a doctor.

The warning echoes a cautionary statement made on Friday by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) after the drugs were touted by US President Donald Trump.

"It is important that health care providers are aware of the risks of serious and potentially life-threatening heart rhythm problems that can occur with these drugs,'' the FDA said in a statement.

Doctors in New York have found that the drugs may alter the QT interval, or the time it takes the heart to charge between beats, potentially triggering a rhythm problem that can lead to sudden death.

Coronavirus latest: 200,000 Italian companies ask to reopen | DW | 26.04.2020
 
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Virus tracing app to be launched on Sunday

6 hrs ago
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The controversial app to help trace people who come into contact with someone with COVID-19 will be launched on Sunday.

The Australian app is based on Singapore's Tracetogether software, which records the Bluetooth connections a phone makes with others so the user can give that data to state health authorities if they catch the virus.

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton, who has recovered from a bout of COVID-19, said it was a more effective approach than checking your diary or trying to remember where you had been.

"The beauty of the app is that it can have a handshake, if you like, with people that you've been in close proximity with, find the phone," he told Sky Sunday Agenda.
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A broader testing regime and a government contact tracing app are seen as key stepping stones to a relaxation of the economic shutdown.

The government wants at least 40 percent of the population to sign up so officials can do "industrial-scale" contact tracing.
 
  • #451
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Virus tracing app to be launched on Sunday

6 hrs ago
...
The controversial app to help trace people who come into contact with someone with COVID-19 will be launched on Sunday.

The Australian app is based on Singapore's Tracetogether software, which records the Bluetooth connections a phone makes with others so the user can give that data to state health authorities if they catch the virus.

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton, who has recovered from a bout of COVID-19, said it was a more effective approach than checking your diary or trying to remember where you had been.

"The beauty of the app is that it can have a handshake, if you like, with people that you've been in close proximity with, find the phone," he told Sky Sunday Agenda.
...
A broader testing regime and a government contact tracing app are seen as key stepping stones to a relaxation of the economic shutdown.

The government wants at least 40 percent of the population to sign up so officials can do "industrial-scale" contact tracing.

It was on the news that Canada will also be releasing similar software in the next couple of days. It's optional to join.
 
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Midland County West Texas Virus Report - 66 cases - 5 deaths..... 29 cases and 3 of the deaths are/were all staff and patients at one Senior Care/Medical Care Center...... My family and I are all safe and well......Yall stay safe and have some fun.... See yall tomorrow......moo
 
  • #454
Midland County West Texas Virus Report - 66 cases - 5 deaths..... 29 cases and 3 of the deaths are/were all staff and patients at one Senior Care/Medical Care Center...... My family and I are all safe and well......Yall stay safe and have some fun.... See yall tomorrow......moo

Ask around - if care aides at one facility are picking up hours at another facility, they will all be infected in no time.
 
  • #455
There's optimism that living more spread out, unlike what we've seen in China, Italy and many parts of Europe, reduces spread.

The highlighted column on the right is deaths/million. The USA has more cases and more deaths than any other country, but Russia is jumping up the list fast - it should pass China in 2 days.

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Obviously, with dense urban cities like NYC and Detroit, we are going to have some very devastated areas with lots of cases and deaths.

But if we compare California to Canada. we are looking pretty good.

CALIFORNIA=pop 39.51 million (2019)
Confirmed
41,137
Recovered
-
Deaths
1,651

CANADA=pop 37.59 million (2019)
45,354
Recovered
16,425
Deaths
2,465


So California has 2 million more people than Canada, but 800k less deaths so far
 
  • #456
Obviously, with dense urban cities like NYC and Detroit, we are going to have some very devastated areas with lots of cases and deaths.

But if we compare California to Canada. we are looking pretty good.

CALIFORNIA=pop 39.51 million (2019)
Confirmed
41,137
Recovered
-
Deaths
1,651

CANADA=pop 37.59 million (2019)
45,354
Recovered
16,425
Deaths
2,465

So California has 2 million more people than Canada, but 800k less deaths so far

Interesting that number of infected, etc., are similar in similar sized populations, regardless of population density.
 
  • #457
Rumor is that a full-time nurse from our large Hospital was part-timing at the Senior/Medical Center and brought it in there from a patient that was in the large Hospital...... Bad deal.....They stopped that practice immediately.....moo
My Mom's retirement complex told all of the staff they couldn't work anywhere else. They said if you want more hours here that is fine. We will give you overtime. But you can't work in another facility and then come in here to work too.
 
  • #458
Interesting that number of infected, etc., are similar in similar sized populations, regardless of population density.
California is very similar to Canada. We have some very big cities, but most of the state is rural and very spread out.

Even in Los Angeles area, in suburbs surrounding the city there are places with no cases whatsoever.

And we don't have much mass transit other than in SF Bay Area.
 
  • #459
Apr 15 / WHO / source

“Helen Braswell: (40:22)
I was hoping maybe Maria or Mike could give us some information about serology testing. I know that a number of countries have been starting to do this work. Is there any picture yet of how good the serology tests are, how reliable they are, and what is being seen in the testing that has been done to date?

So, hi Helen. Yeah, I will start with this and perhaps Mike would like to add. So yes, we are working with a number of countries across the globe on looking at the use of serologic testing for COVID-19. So as you know there are a large number of rapid tests that are available now commercially to purchase and we’re working with FIND and we’re working with labs that have experienced with coronaviruses to look at validation of those with well-characterized Sera. It’s important for us to be able to evaluate how these actually work with clinical samples. So, that is a process that is ongoing.

There are a number of countries right now that are conducting serologic studies, which are looking either at stored samples that were collected throughout this pandemic for other clinical reasons, blood bank, blood donations, or are doing these studies prospectively. Today we had a teleconference with 160 groups, 160 people, who are working with us on our early investigations, which we’re calling the unity studies now. These are early epidemiologic investigations that focus on cases and contacts, that focus on healthcare workers, that’s a separate protocol, a separate protocol for household transmission, and a fourth protocol looking at age, population based sera surveys.

We had a call with them today to see where they are. We have more than 40 countries who are utilizing these core protocols in their own countries, and we’re starting to see some results from some of them from the molecular testing, not yet from the serology. And they’re asking us what are the tests that we can use. So we’re working very hard to validate those tests so that we can be able to say here are four or five serologic assays that could be used so that we can have a better readout on how they actually work.

In addition to that, we have another serologic solidarity study. It’s called the solidarity two study, which is working to estimate global sera prevalence and the first thing that this study is doing, it’s called solidarity two. It’s working on pulling together a serum panel, a standardized serum panel, across the globe so that they could standardize assays and that they can use one protocol to estimate global sera prevalence. That is a process that is ongoing and we’re hoping that we will get some results from that in the coming months.

Having said that, there are some serologic studies that we’re now starting to see being published. Unfortunately, I haven’t seen full papers of these using full methodology. I’ve seen a study from Denmark, I’ve seen a study from Germany suggesting around at 3.5 to 14% sera prevalence. We need to really understand the methods that were used, the assays that were used in terms of their sensitivity and specificity before we can have a good understanding of what this actually means. But of course these numbers are lower, the sera prevalence in these two studies which is not representative globally are lower than I think what many people were expecting. Certainly lower than what some of the models had predicted.

But we’re working with our partners to understand what all of this means in terms of our understanding of the epidemic waves that may happen with this pandemic virus.

Mike?

Dr. Michael J. Ryan: (43:59)
And just to add Helen, and Maria is there really speaking where sera epidemiologic studies, where the testing is done and validated labs as well. Where the testing is benched on in labs. There is a whole other world of rapid diagnostic test or point of care diagnostics and people are talking very much about can we do the diagnosis at the bedside, either a PCR based or there are new diagnostic tests based on antigen detection. And what they do is they detect the proteins of the virus in the sample. Or rapid diagnostic test based on the antibody that’s developed by the body in response to the virus. And there’s a lot of very important innovation going on in that space, but there are real…

We need to be very, very careful antigen tests the sensitivity of those tests can be low. In other words, they may pick up anything from 30 to 80% of true infections. In other words, you can have people who get a negative test who actually have had the infection. The same with some of the antibody tests.

The important consideration with antibody tests is that many people take up to two weeks or more to develop the antibodies in response to having the infection, so they could actually turn out to be negative on the antibody test but actually have had the infection.

Now, none of those are barriers to introducing these products as part of a comprehensive strategy, but we do need to be careful to ensure that introducing rapid test is done as part of a comprehensive diagnostic strategy, a comprehensive testing strategy, and where governments can have validated tests that they introduce into the system in a way that adds to the control of the virus, that adds to surveillance, that adds to diagnosis and doesn’t cause unnecessary confusion. And many governments around the world are doing that just now.”
 
  • #460
California is very similar to Canada. We have some very big cities, but most of the state is rural and very spread out.

Even in Los Angeles area, in suburbs surrounding the city there are places with no cases whatsoever.

And we don't have much mass transit other than in SF Bay Area.

Even in sparsely populated areas, such as the Great White North in Canada, the virus has taken hold. Saskatchewan announced a 5 phase plan to open up the province on May 4, starting with dentists and eye doctors. That blew my mind. It was an eye doctor who sounded the alert in China. They justify initiating normal life because they've so far had few cases. Today, Saskatchewan had a big jump in cases.
 
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