Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #51

[tresir2012]

Please tell me what this high temp milk looks like if you can. I didn't know Dollar Tree had any milk. I only saw coffee creamers dry and liquid ones.

Dollar Tree is where I get the strong Comet kitchen bleach spray I like. Good to clean bottom of shoes too. The spray nozzle doesn't work on any of them tho'. It's been hard to get it lately.

I also like their Wintergreen Alcohol only 50%, but it's perfect if you add a few drops of Dawn and a little bit of water. Lately, they've been selling better working empty spray bottles to put it in. The DIY solution is gentle enough to clean counters and doesn't dissolve the letters off my keyboard.

High temp milk...never heard of it.

UHT milk. We call it long life milk. Lasts for about 3 months and needs no refrigeration. Comes in cartons like orange juice.

 

[Strangeworld]

We hope that viral load will not make any difference. In Spring 2020 the virus arrived in North America. Summer is two months away. We have no idea how this will play out, but anyone who suggests that the peak has passed and we're good to go has not looked into the 1918 pandemic. Spring is the first wave, Fall is the second wave. There was a third wave.

Herd immunity did not work in 1918. Soldiers from Kansas carried the virus to WW1. People died in March 1918, in October 1918, and some experienced a third wave. Herd immunity of some sort was eventually established, or the virus ran out of hosts. Either way, millions died prematurely.

We hope that recovered people are no longer contagious, and that they are no longer susceptible to the virus.

Here is Queensland we will be slowly lifting restrictions from next weekend - can now travel up to 50km from home, can go and have a BBQ in the park or visit a national park. Social distancing 1.5m still firmly in place but inconsistently been applied by the community. Our waves will be opposite to you, which makes me nervous. We are in a FABULOUS position right now, but we are coming into winter right when they are easing restrictions. Interesting (scary?) times ahead.

 

[Curious Me]

UHT milk. We call it long life milk. Lasts for about 3 months and needs no refrigeration. Comes in cartons like orange juice.

Thanks. I can't believe as old as I am that I never noticed or heard of this kind of milk before now. Researching... says it might taste different. Seems like it's a good idea for Pandemic Isolation.

This kind of UHT milk is thermally processed at or above 280° F for at least 2 seconds, not that long, either before or after packaging, so as to produce a product which has an extended shelf life. It's like sterilized. Well, well, now I have to try some.

 

[k-mac]

does anyone actually give a if a rapist or murderer or pedophile in prison gets covid????
I am gob smacked at the lunacy of the idea that prisoners are somehow up for freedom passes because of world circumstances.
its a rort. and it has to stop.

moo

 

[tresir2012]

There's another storm brewing that post-secondary institutions are not expecting - students demanding reduced tuition for reduced quality of education. Institutions cannot open when there is a chance that the virus will make anyone sick, yet they do not want to let go of any of the tuition that pays absurd salaries and executive style offices.

This could lead to the debate about whether online and in-class education is equal, where institutions will claim it is equal even though they don't believe it.

"University students across Canada are calling on their schools to reduce tuition and other fees in light of classes moving online and offering what they say is an inferior education.
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"We feel it's unfair that they are charging the same tuition and still going through with their annual tuition increase," Nell said over the phone from her home in Delta, B.C. "The education is now online, which we feel is sub-par."
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Nell says she understands that these are exceptional times, but when her classes went online they were riddled with awkward technical difficulties, inappropriate online class chats and less access to professors.
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Last week, the University of Toronto Students' Union released a media statement demanding reduced tuition for the summer and the elimination of fees for services like athletics, which are no longer available."
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...tuition-fees-as-classes-move-online-1.5543239

They have a point. I have tried to get some car insurance back as I am only now driving 15 miles every 10 days. These insurance companies will be having a great year with very few accidents, thefts etc. So far I have only heard of one company in the UK giving £25 back to their policy holders.

 

[k-mac]

Thanks. I can't believe as old as I am that I never noticed or heard of this kind of milk before now. Researching... says it might taste different. Seems like it's a good idea for Pandemic Isolation.

This kind of UHT milk is thermally processed at or above 280° F for at least 2 seconds, not that long, either before or after packaging, so as to produce a product which has an extended shelf life. It's like sterilized. Well, well, now I have to try some.

omg .....just go at it with extremely low expectations and you might come at it lol.

I will pass on milk completely rather than feed that yuk to my body!

good luck!

 

[tresir2012]

There's another storm brewing that post-secondary institutions are not expecting - students demanding reduced tuition for reduced quality of education. Institutions cannot open when there is a chance that the virus will make anyone sick, yet they do not want to let go of any of the tuition that pays absurd salaries and executive style offices.

This could lead to the debate about whether online and in-class education is equal, where institutions will claim it is equal even though they don't believe it.

"University students across Canada are calling on their schools to reduce tuition and other fees in light of classes moving online and offering what they say is an inferior education.
...

"We feel it's unfair that they are charging the same tuition and still going through with their annual tuition increase," Nell said over the phone from her home in Delta, B.C. "The education is now online, which we feel is sub-par."
...

Nell says she understands that these are exceptional times, but when her classes went online they were riddled with awkward technical difficulties, inappropriate online class chats and less access to professors.
...

Last week, the University of Toronto Students' Union released a media statement demanding reduced tuition for the summer and the elimination of fees for services like athletics, which are no longer available."
​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...tuition-fees-as-classes-move-online-1.5543239

They have a point. I have tried to get some car insurance back as I am only now driving 15 miles every 10 days. These insurance companies will be having a great year with very few accidents, thefts etc. So far I have only heard of one company in the UK giving £25 back to their policy holders.

It's a bit odd for someone to wear a mask while driving around. I also see a handicap tag on the mirror in that crashed car. Maybe there's more to the story.

Wow. Good spot. Maybe the driver had CV.

 

[tresir2012]

What's going to happen to us when it's a novel coronavirus from squirrels? I got those things in my suburban back yard.

Along with opossums, raccoons, feral cats and skunks. Are they all full of coronaviruses that could jump to us humans next year?

Well that's a good question. SARS was apparently something to do with civets.

Bat cave solves mystery of deadly SARS virus — and suggests new outbreak could occur

Scientists identified the culprit as a strain of coronavirus and found genetically similar viruses in masked palm civets (Paguma larvata) sold in Guangdong’s animal markets. Later surveys revealed large numbers of SARS-related coronaviruses circulating in China’s horseshoe bats (Rhinolophus)2 — suggesting that the deadly strain probably originated in the bats, and later passed through civets before reaching humans. But crucial genes — for a protein that allows the virus to latch onto and infect cells — were different in the human and known bat versions of the virus, leaving room for doubt about this hypothesis.

Bat hunt

To clinch the case, a team led by Shi Zheng-Li and Cui Jie of the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China sampled thousands of horseshoe bats in locations across the country3. “The most challenging work is to locate the caves, which usually are in remote areas,” says Cui. After finding a particular cave in Yunnan, southwestern China, in which the strains of coronavirus looked similar to human versions4,5, the researchers spent five years monitoring the bats that lived there, collecting fresh guano and taking anal swabs1.

 

[Mo Thuairim]

Most motor insurers agree to refunds amid virus crisis (Ireland)

A number of insurers here have agreed to discount premiums or give refunds to motor customers in recognition of an expected reduction in the volume of claims during the Covid-19 emergency.

It follows pressure from the Minister for Finance, the public, businesses and insurance re-sellers for action on the matter.

Insurance Ireland said the insurers recognise that reductions in the amount of road use means the level of claims being submitted will be lower.

"We are now six weeks into the Covid-19 restrictions on movement and it is clear that road usage levels have fallen significantly," said Moyagh Murdock, CEO of Insurance Ireland.

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Most of the leading motor insurers including Allianz, AXA, FBD, RSA and Zurich have signed up to the principles, Insurance Ireland said.

However, Aviva and Liberty are not listed as participants at the moment.

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Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe acknowledged the response from some insurance companies, and called on each insurer to outline the scale of likely premium refunds.

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"Obviously it is for each insurer to look at its own situation and customer base, but I stress the importance for them to take a longer-term perspective and be generous with their customers at this time reflecting the recent profitability of the motor insurance market."

Welcoming the move, Brokers Ireland said there is a compelling logic, given that there is a much reduced likelihood of claims.

Cathie Shannon, Director of General Insurance Services, said insurance premiums are based on the level of risk posed and the anticipated level of claims, with the cost of claims being the most significant cost incurred by motor insurers.

"Since the Covid-19 restrictions we are told that traffic volumes have decreased by two-thirds. There is, therefore, a deeply compelling logic for such measures by insurance companies," she said.

Most motor insurers agree to refunds amid virus crisis

 

[Curious Me]

its a rort. and it has to stop.

Never had UHT milk, and never heard that word "rort" used ever. It's too late at night to learn all this new stuff.

Is it only an Australian term? A fraudulent or dishonest act or practice to let prisoners out early? I thought it was better to isolate them in prison, especially if they're sex pervs, violent, or opportunistic criminals.

I know they let out 73 yr. old Jane Dorotik. She already served almost 20 yrs. of her sentence. She might have to go back in. Has to wear ankle bracelet.
Woman Convicted of Killing Husband on Horse Ranch in 2000 Released from Prison Due to Coronavirus

 

[musicaljoke]

There has to be some herd immunity ramping up at some point. We cannot ALL hide in our cabins for years.

I think the plan is for the most vulnerable to stay quarantined and the rest of the population to begin going back into the world, big by bit.

What ever happened to the goal of self isolating so that the virus couldn't find any more victims? When did we give up trying to eradicate the virus? What ever happened to the calls, "They went to war so you could live. They ask you to stay home so they can live"?

Are we sure that locking up the vulnerable and letting the rest go back to work is not just lulling us into the foundation for a second wave? And how many homes truly have no one within who is vulnerable? How many vulnerable people still need to use shared spaces?

I do agree that there may be some safe places for people to work. But if we open up venues without having achieved our control goals, and without assurance that people going back to work have any requirement for testing and tracking and perhaps may have no perceived need for care in places where vulnerable people still have to live, then we deserve what lies before us. We can't say that we didn't see it coming.

 

[tresir2012]

That's a very reassuring article.

It's impossible that the virus escaped from a Chinese lab. It had to be a natural transmission from bats to humans. Bats have thousands of different coronaviruses. Other animals have them too and since man is fragmenting these animals habitats we will be exposed to more of them.

Looks like we will be getting many more novel viruses if this is true. JMO

This bit in the report worries me though. It has happened before.

"Now it is possible for viruses to escape from a laboratory by infecting a worker. In the early 2000s, there were three documented cases of the original SARS virus escaping from a laboratory environment, according to Lim Poh Lian, a senior consultant at the National Centre for Infectious Diseases in Singapore. But the circumstances surrounding those escapes were vastly different.

In the case of a 2003 incident in Singapore, a student became infected with SARS after his samples were cross-contaminated with live virus. That virus was being grown in relatively large quantities in the lab for studies on the disease, and the student was not properly trained in safety procedures for the lab he was working in."

Could the same thing have happened in Wuhan and the infected person then went to a restaurant in Guangzhou where it was transmitted via A/c to other tables? Then onto a cruise ship to other countries. This is what I think really happened. MOO.

 

[Curious Me]

People going back to work at the office are going to have to talk on the phone wearing masks? Muffled answers are going to be irritating to customers calling in. Cell phones will be even more muffled than landlines. It'd make a good comedy skit though.

Turning in. Good Night Everyone ...zzz

 

[tresir2012]

What ever happened to the goal of self isolating so that the virus couldn't find any more victims? When did we give up on trying to eradicate the virus?

It's like Pandora's box. It is out there now. Only medicines and vaccine can help. Plus soap and water and PPE for Health and care workers.

 

[tresir2012]

IMO, too many reports intent to politicize studies are doing a true disservice to possible future treatment of the virus.

This is a new study of announced Friday by the University of Washington --a major new study of the malaria drug President Donald Trump has praised as a possible, low-cost cure for COVID-19. If media is to be believed -- this Rx has already been deemed 100% failure. Reduced viral shedding could be a game-changer!

UW to lead national study of drug promoted by President Trump to fight coronavirus

April 24, 2020

“We don’t know if these medicines are effective and we need to know,” Johnston said. “But we also need to make sure they’re safe, and in a clinical trial we can achieve both those things.”

[..]

Earlier studies in China that found little benefit focused on extremely ill patients, but the UW project will study people with confirmed coronavirus infections who are not sick enough to be hospitalized.

The goal is to find out if early treatment could protect people from developing viral pneumonia. The researchers also want to see if people who get the drug show reduced viral shedding, which might mean they are less likely to pass the disease on to others.

The team hopes to enroll 630 patients nationwide, including 100 to 150 in the Seattle area. Participants will be randomly assigned to receive either a 10-day course of hydroxychloroquine, hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin or a placebo. Results should be available by July.

I agree. I think it best to wait till all the studies are complete and have been peer reviewed. Which won't be for months.

We need to find out how China and Hong Kong kept their deaths so low. Can someone please ask them?

 

[musicaljoke]

It's like Pandora's box. It is out there now. Only medicines and vaccine can help. Plus soap and water and PPE for Health and care workers.

Plus physical distancing and isolation. The goal is still the same, prevent access to new hosts and the virus stops.

 

[musicaljoke]

Here is Queensland we will be slowly lifting restrictions from next weekend - can now travel up to 50km from home, can go and have a BBQ in the park or visit a national park. Social distancing 1.5m still firmly in place but inconsistently been applied by the community. Our waves will be opposite to you, which makes me nervous. We are in a FABULOUS position right now, but we are coming into winter right when they are easing restrictions. Interesting (scary?) times ahead.

At least your numbers are so low they show that the virus is under control. We, however, are talking about opening things up while our numbers are at their peak. We've never had more people with positive cases. How insane is that?

 

[tresir2012]

I know. It's absurd. Relatives not allowed to visit, and yet covid patients are brought into nursing homes? Who in the world believes that is a good idea? Covid patients obviously should go to a totally separate facility where they are no danger to other elderly vulnerable people. It's sickening, really, to mandate nursing homes with very vulnerable populations to accept covid patients.

I have a sneaking suspicion that authorities knew CV was already in care homes and that is why visitors were stopped. They said it was to protect the patients but we were already seeing the news of the abandoned Spanish care home with dead and dying residents plus a few still wandering around in there fending for themselves. No way that UK and US health authorities did not see that too. MOO.

Spanish army finds care home residents 'abandoned'

UK lockdown began Tuesday 24th March 2020.

This is France's care home problems.

The grim crisis in Europe's care homes

This was when care homes in UK voluntarily decided to shut their doors to visitors to save lives. 13th Mar 2020. Now there are thousands that have died in those homes. They must have known the care homes had the virus and that was the real reason they stopped visitors, to stop it spreading to visitors IMO.

Care homes ban family visits to stem spread of coronavirus

I don't think we are getting all the facts IMO.

 

[tresir2012]

Plus physical distancing and isolation. The goal is still the same, prevent access to new hosts and the virus stops.

You cannot physically distance when caring for or shielding someone though. And we cannot be in isolation forever. Also, if it is transmitted by A/C then even that won't work IMO.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Yesterday's video, don't think I posted it yet....