Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #51

[MimosaMornings]

That^^ is there core problem for many seniors .

My brother thinks the most dangerous thing right now is the inability for her to
continue with her cardiology appointments. She had a heart monitor procedure weeks before the pandemic hit. And she has had to skip 3 important checkups since then. She is 89, and she cannot afford to skip these appointments much longer.

I just coordinated a trip for my aunt to her cardiologist. We had a family member take her to his office, they are seeing very few patients and very limited staff. Doctor and nurse had on PPE from what I was told.
No other patients were in the office during the time she was there.

We had one doctor tell us that she needed to buy a new phone(!?!) to telemedicine because her iPhone was too old. Whatever app that particular doctor is using will not work on older iPads or iPhones which makes it difficult.

And home health is limited on what they can provide and they go all over the county seeing different people. Which is concerning but necessary.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Please tell me what this high temp milk looks like if you can. I didn't know Dollar Tree had any milk. I only saw coffee creamers dry and liquid ones.

Dollar Tree is where I get the strong Comet kitchen bleach spray I like. Good to clean bottom of shoes too. The spray nozzle doesn't work on any of them tho'. It's been hard to get it lately.

I also like their Wintergreen Alcohol only 50%, but it's perfect if you add a few drops of Dawn and a little bit of water. Lately, they've been selling better working empty spray bottles to put it in. The DIY solution is gentle enough to clean counters and doesn't dissolve the letters off my keyboard.

High temp milk...never heard of it.

Shelf-stable ultra high temperature milk from Dollar Tree, which someone on the thread recommended back in early February. It's pasteurized at a higher temp than normal milk is heat pasteurized. What is usual in your grocery store's dairy and is more common-> is heating milk up to at least 161.6 degrees Fahrenheit for 15 seconds, which is known as High-temperature Short-Time (HTST) pasteurization, or flash pasteurization.

 

[Strangeworld]

At least your numbers are so low they show that the virus is under control. We, however, are talking about opening things up while our numbers are at their peak. We've never had more people with positive cases. How insane is that?

Totally insane! I know the decision-makers know people are going a bit stir-crazy now after weeks of lockdowns, but everyone will be locked down for longer with more restrictions, and sadly more infected and more deaths, if they act too soon

 

[Trino]

Totally insane! I know the decision-makers know people are going a bit stir-crazy now after weeks of lockdowns, but everyone will be locked down for longer with more restrictions, and sadly more infected and more deaths, if they act too soon

Seems money truly speaks. I agree completely with your post, but obviously those in charge have an economic agenda over a healthy one.

 

[k-mac]

Never had UHT milk, and never heard that word "rort" used ever. It's too late at night to learn all this new stuff.

Is it only an Australian term? A fraudulent or dishonest act or practice to let prisoners out early? I thought it was better to isolate them in prison, especially if they're sex pervs, violent, or opportunistic criminals.

I know they let out 73 yr. old Jane Dorotik. She already served almost 20 yrs. of her sentence. She might have to go back in. Has to wear ankle bracelet.
Woman Convicted of Killing Husband on Horse Ranch in 2000 Released from Prison Due to Coronavirus

I had no idea it was an Australian term.
but considering I am Australian... makes sense

 

[FrostOwl]

On April 26, 2 p.m. Sweden reports 463 new cases, now a total of 18,640 infected with Covid-19. 2 (!) new deaths, a total of 2,194. A total of 1,315 are or have been in ICU.
The true number of deaths will not be known until Tuesday or Wednesday when the Swedish Tax Agency have got in all the mailed death certificates from the weekend.
Senaste nytt om coronaviruset

 

[Trino]

Guess you can call me negative and a curmudgeon.
Just talked to a neighbor whose graduating senior is planning to attend college 1000 miles away in FL. While I wish her a great experience, there would be no way my child would be doing anything more than online studies this fall. No dorm. No community eating. No indoor classes. Delaying college a year never harmed anyone.

IMO somehow there is confusion with peak and over. Cases and deaths are still rising. My state yesterday tied the highest death rate for three consecutive days. What's with opening things when this is happening? And, IMO this is not gonna be over by fall. Second wave predicted.

I just cannot get a positive mindset about everything opening too soon and expectations being back to pre-virus normal.

 

[CSIDreamer]

My Mom's facility has 200 seniors. None have been confirmed with the virus. We get an email twice a week about what is going on there.

2 weeks ago they confirmed one staff member had tested positive. But so fair none of the residents caught anything.

They have had that requirement about staff not working anywhere else for about 3 weeks, I believe.

And the staff has no physical contact with the residents except for emergencies.

But my Mom is not in assisted living. She lives on her own in a quarantined apartment. But the nurses call her twice a day and they drop off her meals and speak through the door.

Does she have her own heating/cooling system? I know I ding on this a lot.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I know. It's absurd. Relatives not allowed to visit, and yet covid patients are brought into nursing homes? Who in the world believes that is a good idea? Covid patients obviously should go to a totally separate facility where they are no danger to other elderly vulnerable people. It's sickening, really, to mandate nursing homes with very vulnerable populations to accept covid patients.

Yes, I want to know more about what happened here. The Javits Center and the USS Comfort were options, as far as I know. NY has a contentious relationship with private care homes for good reason (if I remember my history over the last couple of decades right), but that shouldn't have stopped government officials from working with them to find a solution. Hopefully that wasn't the case, but I can't think why this would have happened then. Why the blind adherence to policy instead of being flexible? IMO.

At a NY nursing home forced to take COVID-19 patients, 24 residents have died

"In Boston, for example, state and local officials teamed up with health care providers to create a temporary 1,000-bed facility in a convention center for recovering patients who don’t need hospital-level care. In Minnesota, providers created a 50-bed facility for recovering coronavirus patients who might otherwise be sent to nursing homes. New Jersey has partnered with three health care facilities with specially designated beds for recovering COVID patients from hospitals “who are awaiting nursing home placement,” the state health department said in a statement."


Also from the article:

“If they do not have the ability to provide the appropriate level of care, then they have to transfer that patient or they call the Department of Health, and the Department of Health will transfer that patient,” Cuomo added. (At Thursday’s briefing, state officials said they had not received any such requests.)

In an article linked earlier, and in this article (not sure if acceptable as MSM) the Cobble Hill nursing home director sent emails, so there's a paper trail. We'll see what happens next..

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I'm looking for the journal article that was a retrospective of outcomes in NYC, where it showed that 97% of those in NYC over 65 died if they went on a ventilator. Wanted to send to my friend who is an ER doc in NYC, and cannot find the link.

Does anyone such as @Gardenista or @Henry2326 or @PommyMommy or ??? have it handy to repost. TIA

It was a link that either Dr. Campbell or Dr. Seheult gave in one of their videos.

UPDATE: Found it in #50 of Dr. Seheult video Clinical Characteristics, Comorbidities, and Outcomes Among Patients With COVID-19 Hospitalized in the NYC Area

 

[CSIDreamer]

I just coordinated a trip for my aunt to her cardiologist. We had a family member take her to his office, they are seeing very few patients and very limited staff. Doctor and nurse had on PPE from what I was told.
No other patients were in the office during the time she was there.

We had one doctor tell us that she needed to buy a new phone(!?!) to telemedicine because her iPhone was too old. Whatever app that particular doctor is using will not work on older iPads or iPhones which makes it difficult.

And home health is limited on what they can provide and they go all over the county seeing different people. Which is concerning but necessary.

This telehealth thing only goes so far. As I told my mother's doctor:

A 94 year old, losing her hearing, now in the early stages of dementia cannot do telehealth. It isn't remotely possible.

 

[MimosaMornings]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/88-of-northwell-health-coronavirus-patients-on-ventilators-died/

“Almost 90 percent of COVID-19 patients who were placed on ventilators in New York’s largest hospital system have died from the coronavirus, according to a study.”

New Study Shows Nearly 9 in 10 Covid-19 Patients on Ventilators Don’t Make It

 

[Henry2326]

does anyone actually give a **** if a rapist or murderer or pedophile in prison gets covid????
I am gob smacked at the lunacy of the idea that prisoners are somehow up for freedom passes because of world circumstances.
its a rort. and it has to stop.

moo

Actually I care.

This guy paid his dues....44 years. He died of Covid before they could get him out the gate.

Michigan inmate died of Covid-19 just before he was to be released - CNN

People are being offered early release if their end dates are within the year. Our country has a significant number of non-violent offenders who should be released and have been.
Where do you think these folks are gonna go if a state prison system is overrun with Covid? Yep, to the nearest public hospital. We have to manage these locations too if not for the healthcare system but also for morality of human decency.

Only 13.2% of offenders are in your "I don't care" category.

Chart Label Offense # of Inmates % of Inmates
a Banking and Insurance, Counterfeit, Embezzlement 329 0.2%
b Burglary, Larceny, Property Offenses 8,085 5.0%
c Continuing Criminal Enterprise 321 0.2%
d Courts or Corrections 655 0.4%
e Drug Offenses 73,476 45.5%
f Extortion, Fraud, Bribery 9,516 5.9%
g Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses 5,120 3.2%
h Immigration 9,349 5.8%
i Miscellaneous 1,005 0.6%
j National Security 47 0.0%
k Robbery 5,498 3.4%
l Sex Offenses 16,729 10.4%
m Weapons, Explosives, Arson 31,401 19.4%

BOP Statistics: Inmate Offenses

As well there is alot to learn about covid from these populations. Appears Ohio is the only state that is mass testing and has found 96% of their positive tests have no symptoms. Which even more highlights the need for mass testing to find people who are infected and spreading to others.

In four U.S. state prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms

 

[SkylarSid]

Guess you can call me negative and a curmudgeon.
Just talked to a neighbor whose graduating senior is planning to attend college 1000 miles away in FL. While I wish her a great experience, there would be no way my child would be doing anything more than online studies this fall. No dorm. No community eating. No indoor classes. Delaying college a year never harmed anyone.

IMO somehow there is confusion with peak and over. Cases and deaths are still rising. My state yesterday tied the highest death rate for three consecutive days. What's with opening things when this is happening? And, IMO this is not gonna be over by fall. Second wave predicted.

I just cannot get a positive mindset about everything opening too soon and expectations being back to pre-virus normal.

I think it is interesting to see how it may ultimately benefit the states to reopen. If a state orders businesses to open and the owner refuses because they want to be careful, is that business owner now eligible for payroll protection relief? Are the employees eligible for unemployment insurance? Was their money set aside to help businesses get the supplies necessary in order to open safely. I still can't find face masks, can businesses? And the attempt of the government to block funds for states will not help. First responders, health care workers, and teachers will take pay cuts and the states will suffer. And I heard the possibility of legislation that will protect companies from being sued for not providing proper equipment and from employees or customers who catch the virus. Has anyone heard more on this? It is all about money and not about public health!

 

[Henry2326]

I'm looking for the journal article that was a retrospective of outcomes in NYC, where it showed that 97% of those in NYC over 65 died if they went on a ventilator. Wanted to send to my friend who is an ER doc in NYC, and cannot find the link.

Does anyone such as @Gardenista or @Henry2326 or @PommyMommy or ??? have it handy to repost. TIA

It was a link that either Dr. Campbell or Dr. Seheult gave in one of their videos.

UPDATE: Found it in #50 of Dr. Seheult video Clinical Characteristics, Comorbidities, and Outcomes Among Patients With COVID-19 Hospitalized in the NYC Area

I saw some doctor responses to this article. They suspected that it only included people who had died and instead of all patients on ventilators.

 

[cody22]

To stem coronavirus spread, Massachusetts beach town won't turn water on at seasonal homes

Well, so much for being good neighbors...........moo

 

[xtrain]

To stem coronavirus spread, Massachusetts beach town won't turn water on at seasonal homes

Well, so much for being good neighbors...........moo

It may not be a wise decision. Buildings closed by coronavirus face another risk: Legionnaires’ disease

 

[ilovewings]

does anyone actually give a **** if a rapist or murderer or pedophile in prison gets covid????
I am gob smacked at the lunacy of the idea that prisoners are somehow up for freedom passes because of world circumstances.
its a rort. and it has to stop.

moo

Amen to what you said!!!!...

 

[cody22]

Nursing homes are accepting COVID-19 patients


I thought I remembered Cuomo and New York doing this.........moo

 

[jjenny]

Nursing homes in NY were forced to accept covid patients. The results were totally predictable. How can nursing home be ordered to accept infectious patients into a vulnerable population is beyond my understanding.
"A month later, Gurwin is battling an outbreak that’s killed 24 residents — only three of whom were hospital transfers — and one staff member, who worked in housekeeping, Almer said. And the nursing home is still mandated to take in recovering hospital patients known to have the virus, potentially increasing its spread in the facility."
At a NY nursing home forced to take COVID-19 patients, 24 residents have died