Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #52

[katydid23]

UN warns coronavirus fallout will lead to the next pandemic – global starvation

The next global pandemic may very well be a hunger pandemic as a result of the fallout from coronavirus.

While the World Health Organization warns that stringent guidelines need to stay in place to combat the spread of COVID-19, fellow United Nations agency World Food Program (WFP) believes that it will lead to an uptick in global poverty and starvation, and the response to the virus itself may end up killing more people by the end of 2020.

Last week, WFP's executive director David Beasley cautioned the UN Security Council that the risk of large-scale famine in much of the developing world was now "of biblical proportions" as a result of the global pandemic.

"While dealing with a COVID-19 pandemic, we are also on the brink of a hunger pandemic," Beasley told the council. "There is also a real danger that more people could potentially die from the economic impact of COVID-19 than from the virus itself."

Much more at link. None of it good

"While the World Health Organization warns that stringent guidelines need to stay in place to combat the spread of COVID-19, fellow United Nations agency World Food Program (WFP) believes that it will lead to an uptick in global poverty and starvation, and the response to the virus itself may end up killing more people by the end of 2020."

That's exactly what I've been worried about. If we try to stay in total lockdown, to keep the current numbers low---the 'unintended consequences' may take out even more victims, because of the economic impact of staying shut down.

I feel in my heart that we need to do the slow, cautious roll out and begin to restart some segments of the economy. Reopening the schools, with new revised precautions, can be one of the first steps.

And it will help the farmers and the food producers because schools are a huge market for milk, cheese, bread, meat, etc. And it allows some parents to go back to work if need be.

 

[LadyL]

Does anyone else think that wet markets constitute cruelty to animals? Or is it just me?

absolutely yes

 

[Bravo]

Night all. Be safe. Be kind.

 

[MimosaMornings]

How many people between the age of 40-60 have no pre-existing conditions?

35 year old with Crohns
45 year old type 1 diabetic
48 year old on Crestor
50 year old on Candesartan
52 year old on blood thinner
51 year old with lupus

The above is a casual poll I did with some of my friends.

Just thinking out loud. It’s been a long day.
JMO

 

[katydid23]

Probably. Was she there and if so why did she allow?

She is a 1st responder and was on a 24 hour shift, away from home. So I don't blame her for the party. Her adult son should pay the consequences.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Publix is now selling face masks

“The green reusable face masks are being sold on their online shop for $15.95 for two, or $67.79 for ten masks. You can also buy a neck gaiter, which is sort of like a face-covering scarf, for $12.95.

According to the store’s website, the masks will ship on or before May 27, while the neck gaiter will ship by May 15.”

May 27?

If you need mask, just ask on Facebook who is making them locally. Many are, and some that are even better than this. And you can probably get it within a couple of days.

 

[JerseyGirl]

I don’t care much for the wall of masks. It seems like a waste to me when people are needing masks.

No worries. The masks he showed today will be going to good use:

Andrew Cuomo on Twitter
Thousands of masks have been sent to New York from around the country — made with love. This is a self-portrait of the goodness of Americans. Thank you. (And for those wondering, yes, we will find good homes for the masks.)

 

[CSIDreamer]

I'm sure the criminals will love that trend.
And the cops too.

Funny thing. I recognize people I know when they are wearing masks. My husband says people call him by name and say hi. I told him not to rob any banks lol.

 

[The Night Watchman]

"While the World Health Organization warns that stringent guidelines need to stay in place to combat the spread of COVID-19, fellow United Nations agency World Food Program (WFP) believes that it will lead to an uptick in global poverty and starvation, and the response to the virus itself may end up killing more people by the end of 2020."

That's exactly what I've been worried about. If we try to stay in total lockdown, to keep the current numbers low---the 'unintended consequences' may take out even more victims, because of the economic impact of staying shut down.

I feel in my heart that we need to do the slow, cautious roll out and begin to restart some segments of the economy. Reopening the schools, with new revised precautions, can be one of the first steps.

And it will help the farmers and the food producers because schools are a huge market for milk, cheese, bread, meat, etc. And it allows some parents to go back to work if need be.

What is the best course to take? I assume what we are doing, but analyzing new data to see if we need to modify our course going forward. I don't see much of that happening.

 

[cody22]

4 arrested, including ReOpen NC leader, during 3rd protest in Raleigh

North Carolina Virus News.....moo

 

[otto]

I don't disagree with you, because I don't know the answer.

I agree with you that people of all ages die of coronavirus. But I look at what is the chance of someone dying of CV based on age. And this is all I have to go by, from Massachusetts Department of Health (7 million population). Whether this relevant or not, can be questioned. I believe it is pretty representative of the U.S. This is deaths per 100,000 people (majority not infected, based on population).

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I see no relevant risk of dying from coronavirus if you are under 60 without pre-existing conditions. I have to say that I am not up to date on long term effects of having CV, other than being on a ventilator has negative consequences. I believe it is true, but haven't heard much about it statistically.

I don't follow the 20% death rate. The death rate as determined by antibody testing is shown to be well under 1%.
Antibody testing shows what percentage of a population has had CV, and you get actual death rate from this.

It's all about probabilities. We have to figure out for ourselves what is best. Many come to the conclusion that they are low risk and should continue with most activities for families with a few children, front line jobs, shared parenting, buying basics for the family, and other responsibilities. Others have a bad feeling that the virus will either kill them or reduce the length and quality of life expectancy. Two camps. People of all ages are in both camps.

The death rate per resolved cases is 19%. The death rate per million is something completely different.

It might mean that 20% of positive cases are hospitalized and 20 % of those end up in the morgue. That would mean that 5% of the population dies from the virus.

In case someone needs a link, sources for the numbers:

Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) - Statistics and Research
Coronavirus Update (Live): 3,219,485 Cases and 228,201 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

 

[Henry2326]

The Trump administration is organizing a Manhattan Project-style effort to drastically cut the time needed to develop a coronavirus vaccine, with a goal of making enough doses for most Americans by year’s end.

Called “Operation Warp Speed,” the program will pull together private pharmaceutical companies, government agencies and the military to try to cut the development time for a vaccine by as much as eight months, according to two people familiar with the matter.

As part of the arrangement, taxpayers will shoulder much of the financial risk that vaccine candidates may fail, instead of drug companies.

The project’s goal is to have 300 million doses of vaccine available by January, according to one administration official. There is no precedent for such rapid development of a vaccine.

Last month, Trump directed Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar to speed development of a vaccine, and administration officials have been meeting on the effort for three to four weeks, one of the people said. A meeting on the project was scheduled at the White House on Wednesday.

The people familiar with the project and the administration officials asked not to be identified because it hasn’t yet been publicly announced.

The project will cost billions of dollars, one of the people said. And it will almost certainly result in significant waste by making inoculations at scale before knowing if they’ll be safe and effective -- meaning that vaccines that fail will be useless.

The group is discussing which Americans might be vaccinated first, as the medicines would likely roll off production lines in batches, one of the people said. The project would be funded from money already available to the government and won’t require new authority from Congress, one of the people said.

Trump’s ‘Operation Warp Speed’ Aims to Rush Coronavirus Vaccine

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Neck gaiter looks cool.

I would suggest you all avoid using a neck gator for a mask. Two layers of mostly cotton with a filter is what’s recommended. This single layer of microfiber won’t do much except keep the skeeters from flying in your mouth.

Out of curiosity, has anyone here been able to find Clorox wipes? I finally gave up but just wondering if others have had luck, and how that supply and availability is doing in other areas.

Nada. Somebody gave me a container in return for four masks, though! I should probably just ask on Facebook where the locals are finding them. I know they are because they are sharing them, along with books, in front of the church in the next town over.

 

[firebird]

Despite Restraining Order, Salon A La Mode Opens Again

Texas Virus News....moo

Test case

 

[LadyL]

Study to determine transmission of virus between humans and pets

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitc...UZxvFaHAqUbded7Wy_1xYEDnA1dtnGpAUvStHu1ERni6M

 

[LadyL]

Out of curiosity, has anyone here been able to find Clorox wipes? I finally gave up but just wondering if others have had luck, and how that supply and availability is doing in other areas.

nope
no Clorox or Lysol wipes
no hand sanitizer
no rubbing alcohol

 

[The Night Watchman]

It's all about probabilities. We have to figure out for ourselves what is best. Many come to the conclusion that they are low risk and should continue with most activities for families with a few children, front line jobs, shared parenting, buying basics for the family, and other responsibilities. Others have a bad feeling that the virus will either kill them or reduce the length and quality of life expectancy. Two camps. People of all ages are in both camps.

The death rate per resolved cases is 19%. The death rate per million is something completely different.

It might mean that 20% of positive cases are hospitalized and 20 % of those end up in the morgue. That would mean that 5% of the population dies from the virus.

In case someone needs a link, sources for the numbers:

Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) - Statistics and Research
Coronavirus Update (Live): 3,219,485 Cases and 228,201 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Damn it otto, you are being stubborn! 5% death rate of coronavirus would kill millions in the U.S. You cannot look at death rate per confirmed cases.

Deaths rate means deaths from CV divided by the % of total infections in a population. How do you know the total infections in a population?

Total positive CV tests mean nothing since they test only a small segment of the population, and they are heavily biased towards symptomatic people and healthcare workers (which is good). And tests only tell if someone is active with CV, not if they have recovered. We also know there are many, many asymptomatic people that have/had CV and didn’t know it, or didn’t have much in the way of symptoms, thus never tested.

So the only way to find out the deaths rate is to know how many people have been infected. This can be done with antibody testing. These tests are not perfect but have a small error rate which seems to balance between positive and negative false readings.

New York State conducted cross-state antibody testing that showed 14.9% of the population had COVID at one time. This represents 2.7 million had COVID-19 instead of the 250,000 confirmed positive cases. This translates to an actual death rate of 0.5%. Very bad but not the 2-4% repeated in the media to this day.
But NYC is one of the hardest hit areas in the world, high population density and some hospitals overrun. 0.5% death rate should be the high water mark for the U.S.

Then the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine conducted the first truly randomized CV antibody data collection and found a coronavirus death rate of 0.18% in heavily populated Miami Dade County, from an extrapolated 165,000 positive cases and 295 deaths. IMO, this should be more representative on the country. Note the media reported about the results but never mentioned the 0.18% death rate, which was all that mattered.

We could compare this 0.18% death rate to the flu rate of 0.10%, but the comparisons stop there. Coronavirus has no vaccine and is more contagious and asymptomatic, which is why we have a pandemic.

1 in 5 New Yorkers May Have Had Covid-19, Antibody Tests Suggest

Asymptomatic: People who tested positive showed no symptoms - CNN

 

[ilovewings]

Yes. I understand the issue of "The Economy" but our leaders and a huge percentage of the population are simply in denial. The pandemic is simply bigger than we are when we don't take corrective measures.

Going back

Typhoid Fever Mary did that - she cooked for upper middle class families. Her mango ice cream was famous, but it allowed the virus to live in the food. The link was posted in the last couple of weeks. My point being that those with antibodies may be contagious.

Typhoid Fever Mary did that - she cooked for upper middle class families. Her mango ice cream was famous, but it allowed the virus to live in the food. The link was posted in the last couple of weeks. My point being that those with antibodies may be contagious.

i just googled that viruses do not multip!y in food

 

[margarita25]

nope
no Clorox or Lysol wipes
no hand sanitizer
no rubbing alcohol

A tip: Check with your local breweries and distilleries for hand sanitizer. Some are making it now. My friend just told me she got some.

 

[otto]

"While the World Health Organization warns that stringent guidelines need to stay in place to combat the spread of COVID-19, fellow United Nations agency World Food Program (WFP) believes that it will lead to an uptick in global poverty and starvation, and the response to the virus itself may end up killing more people by the end of 2020."

That's exactly what I've been worried about. If we try to stay in total lockdown, to keep the current numbers low---the 'unintended consequences' may take out even more victims, because of the economic impact of staying shut down.

I feel in my heart that we need to do the slow, cautious roll out and begin to restart some segments of the economy. Reopening the schools, with new revised precautions, can be one of the first steps.

And it will help the farmers and the food producers because schools are a huge market for milk, cheese, bread, meat, etc. And it allows some parents to go back to work if need be.

Black market beer trade might be a new industry - uptick in global supply chain disruption started in January.

The virus or shortages could kill people. It will take 2 years to find out whether anything worked well.