Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #52

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  • #921
Here is a good example of someone that should have been furloughed and not worried about money-

Sandra Kunz wanted to keep working as a Walmart (WMT) cashier even as the coronavirus spread.

Despite a lung condition, the 72-year-old in Aurora, Colorado, needed to get her paycheck, according to her sister, Paula Spellman. Her husband, Gus, was injured and out of work, and the couple had bills due.
Kunz died on April 20 from complications related to the coronavirus, her sister said. Gus, who was also sick from the virus, died two days before his wife.
While it is unclear how the couple contracted the virus, Spellman said her sister had expressed concerns about customers at Walmart coughing on her at the cash register.

"I wish she didn't work there. I wish she had taken leave," Spellman said. "I get angry because she should have been more protected."


Sandra was in the bullseye of coronavirus.

72 with a lung condition. Interacts with people all day. And "needed to get her paycheck". What were her odds of dying from going to her job each day- maybe 10% or more?

America failed those in nursing homes. There is alternate path to more failures in the future- protect the vulnerable.

This is the most dangerous place in the grocery store - CNN
She and her husband should have been receiving social security. It is sad that she needed to work in a risky job at the same time as the pandemic, and they couldn't have found a way to make the extra money without being in such a public job at this time. :(
 
  • #922
Very good article, with experts from both economics and epidemiology suggesting an age related release strategy as economies are reopened. I don't agree with their method of enforcing it, but it is a good basis for an important public policy debate (a quick one), and also for employer-based policies regarding reopening.
That said, young people can spread it. We are not all a single generational family.
 
  • #923
Anyone have experience with the 3M cartridge type respirator masks?

I've used the typical 3M type N95 masks for years doing projects but only had one left over when the virus hit. Won't happen again. Had an AERO P100 cartridge type mask I used when I sanded the lead paint off of our 100 YO farm house dining room floor. Unfortunately, AERO company was acquired by 3M and the AERO respirators were discontinued and replacement filters are unavailable. Not recommended to use filters between different brands.

TIA
 
  • #924
Very good article, with experts from both economics and epidemiology suggesting an age related release strategy as economies are reopened. I don't agree with their method of enforcing it, but it is a good basis for an important public policy debate (a quick one), and also for employer-based policies regarding reopening.
That said, young people can spread it. We are not all a single generational family.
 
  • #925
I don't think any article that refers to Remdesivir as an Ebola drug can be taken seriously. It is one of many drugs that were developed with the hope that it worked with Ebola, but it failed. Remdesivir is not an Ebola drug.

Really, @otto?!! :)

Semantics.....

Remdesivir....antiviral drug used to treat Ebola...

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  • #926
Earlier I read that freezing doesn't usually kill the virus. I guess it can hang onto packaging within your freezer? Now, this. I'm glad there's so many scientific minds working on learning about CV-19. Just the words aerosol particles sends my mind racing. Does it just rides on particles like a surfer? These may sound like stupid questions, but could it attach to household or dusting sprays? How about non-stick cooking sprays?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...airborne-coronavirus-transmission-unanswered/

"A growing number of studies, including one published this week in the journal Nature, have found evidence that the coronavirus can remain suspended in the air in aerosol particles."

Basically, it rides INSIDE the water packet, until that aerosol is deep in your lungs, where the particle opens up, you breathe, and voilà! You're now infected.

There's a ton of really interesting research on this part of viral transmission (it's not just CoVid of course). When humidity goes up, the newly sneezed or coughed out packets from someone else is just one of millions of bits of wetness in the air (nicely wrapped up in their mucous, which provides a temporary boost to the life of the virus outside its host). So, while you still breathe it in, as a percentage of the water molecules you're breathing in, it's a low percentage. This seems to matter with this virus.

In dry weather, there's virtually no moisture in the area, so the virion-laden packets are the only moisture breathed into already dry lungs, which crave the humidity and the percentage of infected packets is very high (if you're in a room already contaminated or nearby a transmitter).

Apparently, though, once the virus does attach itself to water molecules in a humid environment, those molecules by their nature are pulled by gravity down to the ground (which is why there's sometimes still dew even in dry environments). Once the virus is on the ground, unless you too are crawling around or putting your hands on the ground, you're unlikely to get it. In several studies, 100% of hospital floor samples tested positive for CV-19 in CoVid wards, whereas bed railings had considerably less (still a lot, but nothing like the floor). The more humid the place was, the faster the virus ended up on the floor.

So shoe protocol is important. I figure I don't have CV in my house. I am not the least bit afraid of cooking spray or the like. Where would the CV come from in the first place? It's so rapidly killed by hot sun (and we have that here in SoCal), I rely on leaving packages in our sunroom for 2-3 hours up to 2-3 days, depending on whether we really need to use it.

But I'm a bit of a weirdo in that I'm willing to risk 1-2 virion getting into my respiratory system; what I'm trying to avoid is 30,000 per sneeze by the guy behind me on the plane, who is sneezing 12-20 times an hour.
 
  • #927
At the moment I'm at home with confirmed Covid-19, my symptoms are mild with a fever of above 38,0 Centigrades (100 F) if I don't take paracetamol, a headache that won't go away, tiredness, and very mild cold symptoms. No breathing difficulties, cough, aches or anything else. I most likely caught it at work (emergency department), as we have had more and more patients with suspected corona during last week, and one of my colleagues have also got it. Now I have to stay at home until all symptoms are gone + two more days. I got a call from one of the doctors at the Department of Infectious Diseases, as well as from a nurse at the Disease control unit at the hospital, giving me advice and what symptoms to be observant of.

The number confirmed cases here in my part of Sweden is still low, 73 cases, and 2 deaths. The laboratory capacity have been increase and now all hospital staff, and personnel taking care of elders, are tested if they have any symptoms that could be coronarelated.
Speedy recovery @FrostOwl
 
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  • #929
Oooo I have an interesting anecdote about those temperature checks being done on employees. But have to go Work and be temp checked so I’ll try and remember to post later :D
 
  • #930
That said, young people can spread it. We are not all a single generational family.
They can spread it but they can't spread to vulnerable people who are quarantined.

Multigenerationl families might have to figure out other alternatives during this pandemic. Maybe the living quarters will be separated and precautions taken.

Or maybe some family members will have to stay somewhere else temporarily?

My cousin used to take care of her elderly father in her home. But she has 2 college kids, who both returned home and are working outside the home.

So she moved her father into her brother's home because he lives alone and is sheltering in place.

Grandpa grumbled and didn't like the move, but it is what it is right now.

I have a friend who has been raising her grandson, who is 12. She has had him since he was 5 and his mother lost custody. She adopted her grandson.

But she is vulnerable because she has MS and is in her 60's. She wants him to be able to go back to school soon, when California allows them to, maybe in July. So she is having her boy transition to her son's family for awhile. Luckily, he loves his cousins and enjoys visiting there so now he will live with them until things are safer for all of us.

Hard decisions to make but necessary discussions.
 
  • #931
LOGANSPORT, Ind. (WISH) — The Cass County Health Department on Wednesday afternoon said it has seen just under 1,200 positive COVID-19 cases. Almost 900 employees at the Tyson Food plant in Cass County’s Logansport have tested positive.

Serenity Alter is the Cass County Health Department administrator and she is expecting the numbers of positive cases to continue to climb.

“We were in good shape for a couple weeks and then just within the couple weeks it kind of blew up,” said Alter.

Alter says she is fairly certain after tracing the contacts of positive tests, that the outbreak started with a Tyson employee. The Tyson plant is just one concern for Cass County; there are two other meat processing plants within a 30-minute drive of Logansport and there are several households that have people working in multiple plants.

“It is a lot ya know we are up there I don’t know what 2 or 3 in the state and that is not something we want to be known for, but it is where we are and it is something we are gonna have to work through,” said Browning.

Alter says they are not ready for a reopening in Cass County.

“With our numbers increasing the way they are, hopefully we will not be one of those regions just quite yet,” she said.

The health department in Cass County is expecting their peak to come in the next two weeks.

Nearly 900 at Tyson Foods plant test positive for coronavirus - WISH-TV | Indianapolis News | Indiana Weather | Indiana Traffic
 
  • #932
California Gov. Gavin Newsom plans to order the closure of all beaches and state parks after seeing seashores packed with thousands of people, ABC News has learned.

Over the weekend, thousands of people flocked to beaches in Southern California amid a heatwave. Newsom reprimanded beachgoers during a press conference on Monday, saying such risky behavior could prevent the state from reopening other activities as it continues to try to control the spread of the novel coronavirus.

"Those images are an example of what not to see, what not to do if we're going to make the meaningful progress we've made the past couple of weeks," Newsom said.

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Coronavirus updates: Potential COVID-19 treatment shows 'glimmer of hope,' researcher says

ABC News on Twitter
(Done.)

Newsom orders temporary closure of all beaches in Orange County after Newport Beach saw crowds

All beaches in Orange County must temporarily close over concerns the region is not heeding stay-at-home orders, Gov. Gavin Newsom said Thursday.
...
“We’re gonna do a hard close in that part of the state, just in the Orange County area,” Newsom said.

The state is working with the county to temporarily close state and local beaches in O.C., according to Newsom. That change comes after the governor wrote a memo addressing police chiefs around the state and ordering the closure of all beaches in California.
...
 
  • #933
Face masks required at Costco starting Monday...

Face Covering Requirements
To protect our members and employees, effective May 4, all Costco members and guests must wear a face covering that covers their mouth and nose at all times while at Costco. This requirement does not apply to children under the age of 2 or to individuals who are unable to wear a face covering due to a medical condition.

The use of a face covering should not be seen as a substitute for social distancing. Please continue to observe rules regarding appropriate distancing while on Costco premises. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

https://www.costco.com/covid-updates.html

This only mentions US so presumably not UK.
I was confused...didn't know who B&Q was until i clicked on link.

So, is this to say that a DIY store was NOT considered essential from the beginning??? That's a bit weird... our Lowes and Home Depots didn't close.
They have been open in Wales. They are a builders merchants as well as DIY and builders merchants are considered essential in UK.
 
  • #934
LOGANSPORT, Ind. (WISH) — The Cass County Health Department on Wednesday afternoon said it has seen just under 1,200 positive COVID-19 cases. Almost 900 employees at the Tyson Food plant in Cass County’s Logansport have tested positive.

Serenity Alter is the Cass County Health Department administrator and she is expecting the numbers of positive cases to continue to climb.

“We were in good shape for a couple weeks and then just within the couple weeks it kind of blew up,” said Alter.

Alter says she is fairly certain after tracing the contacts of positive tests, that the outbreak started with a Tyson employee. The Tyson plant is just one concern for Cass County; there are two other meat processing plants within a 30-minute drive of Logansport and there are several households that have people working in multiple plants.

“It is a lot ya know we are up there I don’t know what 2 or 3 in the state and that is not something we want to be known for, but it is where we are and it is something we are gonna have to work through,” said Browning.

Alter says they are not ready for a reopening in Cass County.

“With our numbers increasing the way they are, hopefully we will not be one of those regions just quite yet,” she said.

The health department in Cass County is expecting their peak to come in the next two weeks.

Nearly 900 at Tyson Foods plant test positive for coronavirus - WISH-TV | Indianapolis News | Indiana Weather | Indiana Traffic
Anyone have any idea why a food plant would have such a high incidence of cases? It mentions it started with 1 employee.
 
  • #935
Anyone have any idea why a food plant would have such a high incidence of cases?
Close working conditions and, imo, poor benefits. Sometimes in places like that, you call in sick, you get no pay or even fired. So, once someone has it, it spreads to co-workers.
jmo
 
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  • #937
I guess time will tell about kids being spreaders since information is constantly evolving, but it’s pretty hard to teach younger kids who need up close help and are touchy-feely from behind a plexiglass screen. It’s hard enough to keep their attention on a laptop screen and too much goes on in a classroom to make it possible to maintain social distance. :) I’m not sure that I’d want my child in a classroom with a lot of kids anyway. There are no easy solutions, but I think safety protections need to be figured before opening schools. Because grocery store workers are essential, unfortunately they had to work without protection until their employers got up to speed. I just think we can wait a little longer and get it right for teachers and kids.
JMO
Do kids under 10 use laptops in school? Guess I am behind the times in my thoughts.
 
  • #938
Kids under 11 should go back to school first and probably older ones too a couple of weeks after. Then workers can go back unless in a vulnerable group, who should then work at home if possible.

Actually, children's immunity is better with each passing year (up until they are in their late teens). Further, it's really hard to get k-3 to wear masks properly.

If we actually practice distancing in the schools, which I believe we must, then only half the kids can be there at one time. This has been done before in many times and places, including in 20th century America (for various reasons).

Don't you think older kids would be better at following instructions? We have almost no fatalities for this disease under the age of 20. Vulnerable kids would have to stay home, of course. Most of those fatalities were in fact kids with serious underlying conditions (all of them, IIRC, in the US).

At the same time, I realize that parents of kids under 12 really need the childcare - but they may have to realize that it will only be half day sessions. If we roll out a K-4 segment first, with disinfection of classrooms and everyone wearing masks, and only half the regular number of students - so only half days at school, then in 2-3 weeks we'd know a lot more about what could happen when we try the same for older kids.

In an alternate model, which might require emergency changes to some state education policies, we could open grades K-5 or K-6 but use all available classrooms (high school, middle school, rooms in rec centers, etc) and put a teacher in each classroom with kids there for the full day - but in lower numbers. IOW, high school and middle school teachers would have to rapidly adapt to younger kids and very different curriculum
 
  • #939
I wish these covidiots/demonstrators could spend a day in an ER or a Long Term Care Home :mad:
 
  • #940
did you check eBay?
Anyone have experience with the 3M cartridge type respirator masks?

I've used the typical 3M type N95 masks for years doing projects but only had one left over when the virus hit. Won't happen again. Had an AERO P100 cartridge type mask I used when I sanded the lead paint off of our 100 YO farm house dining room floor. Unfortunately, AERO company was acquired by 3M and the AERO respirators were discontinued and replacement filters are unavailable. Not recommended to use filters between different brands.

TIA
 
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