Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #53

[Anance]

Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk
I work for @CNN Michigan native

 

[Inthedetails]

To say that it's ok if people over 40 or who live in crowded areas should be allowed to die so that people can have "leisure time on the beach" is one of the most cold-blooded and horrifying things I've ever heard.

Thank you.

Signed, someone over 40 in a crowded city

 

[margarita25]

Florida coronavirus: COVID-19 latest info

• 1,314 Florida deaths
• 34,728 cases in Florida
• Florida to begin reopening on Monday
• Eligible Orange County businesses can reopen
• Task force gives glimpse at what theme parks could look like
• Flagler beaches open without restrictions
• Gov. DeSantis meets with President Trump
• 40% of applicants ineligible for unemployment

Central Florida cases

• Orange County: 1,413 cases
• Osceola County: 486 cases
• Seminole County: 385 cases
• Volusia County: 500 cases
• Lake County: 233 cases
• Brevard County: 289 cases
• Sumter County: 217 cases
• Polk County: 500 cases
• Marion County: 178 cases
• Flagler County: 134 cases
• Alachua County: 273 cases

Central Florida deaths

• Orange County: 34 deaths
• Osceola County: 7 deaths
• Sumter County: 14 deaths
• Volusia County: 21 deaths
• Brevard County: 8 deaths
• Lake County: 13 deaths
• Marion County: 4 deaths
• Seminole County: 8 deaths
• Flagler County: 2 deaths
• Polk County: 24 deaths
• Alachua County: 5 deaths

What you need to know about Coronavirus testing in Florida

 

[KALI]

Our customers are so sweet! Yesterday a few of our customers brought us bushels of produce. We didn't ask for it, they just did it.
We got about 40 lbs of oranges, 20 pounds of grapefruit, lemons and best of all 12 huge avocados!
We're affectionately known as the avocado capital. There are avocado trees everywhere around here. In this area we grow acres of strawberries, oranges, lemons, guava, grapefruit, macadamia nuts, coffee trees, flowers, herbs and avocados!
Our personal veggie garden is doing well, everything looks happy and perky.
Looking forward to a big fat tomato and avocado sandwich...

 

[10ofRods]

Yes I read it and commented IIRC that 47 was not a real big sample which is why I am looking for some higher numbers. Sweden would be ideal to look at as they did not close schools.

Sweden is a small country though. If you want to do this research, look at Italy (last I looked, they had zero child deaths - but some very seriously ill children).

It's already well known that children do not usually die from this, so I do not think you're going to find any place with numbers that are large enough to meet your view of statistical significance.

No one is studying asymptomatic children much or at all.

What's the point of studying Sweden, for you? Just looking for more child deaths? The deaths in Sweden have been largely in care homes, just like elsewhere. Swedes are known for common sense, so I doubt that they are having school age children visit care homes. So far, most nations have managed to shut down schools before CoVid took hold.

Can you explain why Sweden has such a higher case rate than neighboring countries that did shut down their schools? Because Swedes are certainly interested.

BTW, they did close universities.

Sweden has one of the highest death rates in Europe (22 deaths per 100,000 people).

Sweden says its coronavirus approach has worked. The numbers suggest a different story - CNN

Someone or something is causing increased transmission and death. What do you think it is?

 

[IceIce9]

From the article:


Hmm. Interesting statement to me, since in my home we often turn on CC when watching news and movies etc on tv. I feel like it works well enough for dh and me!

Agreed! I often use CC when watching movies too. I find it to be very accurate.

 

[katydid23]

Maybe it would be better to test the asymptomatic lawmakers - if someone has symptoms, send 'em home to recover from whatever illness they have and save the tests for the people without symptoms who could be spreading the virus without realizing it.

You couldn't do this for the whole population, but for a closed group like this, it could be done.

Well, if there were enough tests.

jmo

There are enough tests for 100 senators. How could the Capitol physician not have any? I am wondering if he is being honest or has some other agenda for this statement.

The governor of cali has 300k tests available for free drive through testing for all Californians. They are not 15 min tests but they are 48 hr tests.

The senators could get tested 2 days before they have to go back to the building.

 

[margarita25]

Coronavirus: Face mask filter production like printing money in China

 

[Anance]

ADMIN WARNING: Graphic images at link may be disturbing or triggering for some members

This Is How Horribly They’re Treating the Dead in Brooklyn

Before police found decomposing bodies in trucks outside a Brooklyn funeral home, a mourner saw a horrifying sign it was overwhelmed by the coronavirus pandemic.

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[margarita25]

Some bat links:

Why The U.S. Government Stopped Funding A Research Project On Bats And Coronaviruses

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NIH’s axing of bat coronavirus grant a ‘horrible precedent’ and might break rules, critics say | Science | AAAS

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Newly discovered bats are related to those associated with the pandemic - CNN

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“Between 2016 and 2018, they collected hundreds of samples of saliva and guano (or bat poop) from 464 bats from at least 11 different species; they sampled at three locations in Myanmar where humans come into close contact with wildlife due to land use changes and recreational and cultural activities — such as guano harvesting for fertilizer.

"Two of these sites also featured popular cave systems where people were routinely exposed to bats through guano harvesting, religious practices and ecotourism," the researchers wrote in their study published online April 9 in the journal PLOS ONE.”

6 new coronaviruses discovered in bats | Live Science
Apr 10

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More Evidence Suggests Pangolins May Have Passed Coronavirus From Bats to Humans
Apr 11

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The Bats Behind the Pandemic
Apr 9

“When Covid-19 broke out, attention focused on pangolins, mammals often called scaly anteaters. Early analyses of the pangolin version of the virus seemed to indicate it was even more closely related to the human version than the RaTG13 bat sample was. The illegal pangolin trade for traditional Chinese medicine brings people into contact with sick animals. Just over a year ago, 21 live Malayan pangolins destined for sale in China were intercepted by anti-smuggling officers in Guangdong. Despite the best efforts of a local wildlife rescue center, 16 died with swollen, flooded lungs, rich in coronaviruses.”

Guangdong again moo

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In a paper published in February last year, Patrick Woo and colleagues at Hong Kong University surveyed the coronaviruses found in bats and came to a prescient conclusion: “Bat–animal and bat–human interactions, such as the presence of live bats in wildlife wet markets and restaurants in Southern China, are important for interspecies transmission of [coronaviruses] and may lead to devastating global outbreaks.”

 

[Trino]

To say that it's ok if people over 40 or who live in crowded areas should be allowed to die so that people can have "leisure time on the beach" is one of the most cold-blooded and horrifying things I've ever heard.

Enjoying the day while possibly being infected and taking the virus home? Not exactly smart. Possibly not aware of the blood clot issue in younger people? <modsnip: rude>

 

[Inthedetails]

ADMIN WARNING: Graphic images at link may be disturbing or triggering for some members

This Is How Horribly They’re Treating the Dead in Brooklyn

Before police found decomposing bodies in trucks outside a Brooklyn funeral home, a mourner saw a horrifying sign it was overwhelmed by the coronavirus pandemic.

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The headline makes it sound as if people in Brooklyn WANT this to be the situation rather than being completely overwhelmed.

From the link:
"The owner, 41-year-old Andrew Cleckley, told police that he had been unable to get cemeteries and crematories to accept enough bodies to keep his facility from overflowing."

Sad situation at the funeral home <modsnip>



jmo


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[mickey2942]

Can’t they use closed captioning?

Actually no, for older deaf folks, they mainly use American Sign Language, which is based on French. It doesn't translate literally like Signed English.

More of an issue for people who went to residential deaf schools, and are culturally deaf. Some are barely literate in reading English.

 

[The Night Watchman]

The headline makes it sound as if people in Brooklyn WANT this to be the situation rather than being completely overwhelmed.

From the link:
"The owner, 41-year-old Andrew Cleckley, told police that he had been unable to get cemeteries and crematories to accept enough bodies to keep his facility from overflowing."

Sad situation at the funeral home and in the thread that is full of posts with headlines only, which is a disservice to discussion, imo.



jmo


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Very true.

 

[Inthedetails]

Not at all surprised by this development. Are any of the states opening this week also planning to open schools before the end of the school year?

"Gov. Andrew Cuomo officially announced Friday that all schools in New York state, including the city’s public schools, will be shuttered for the remainder of the academic year due to the coronavirus crisis."

https://nypost.com/2020/05/01/ny-schools-colleges-will-be-closed-for-rest-of-academic-year/

 

[10ofRods]

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Interesting! The difference in death rates as compared to Sweden is remarkable - and this is about "caring" about the old people. Even outside of care homes, Sweden's deaths have been among the poor elderly although it appears that the median age for people of non-European extraction (immigrants) is a bit lower, just as in the US (something like 59-70 instead of 78-80).

And I get it, to some extent. A society can make a decision that groups of people who are near their "expiration date" anyway cannot be indefinitely protected, while other societies believe that the elderly deserve or warrant the regular standard of care where ever possible.

Lombardy is now doing a lot of antibody testing and it looks like 60% of the samples so far show antibodies, so that's way, way above the symptomatic case rate. This is, in fact, within some people's definition of "herd immunity." Sweden will likely get to the same state. Since nearly all children and most adults are asymptomatic, this disease is going to be very hard to control/eradicate. The idea that the age-vulnerable and the underlying conditions-vulnerable should self-isolate is not a bad one, if those people are given the resources to do that (continue working from home, paid furloughs, extended unemployment - whatever it is).

I don't think any sane person would have chosen to take Lombardy's path through this, though.

 

[margarita25]

Italy:

Mamma mia — who counts as family in Italy? Residents wonder as coronavirus lockdown eases

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Easing of lockdown begs the question: Who's family in Italy?

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Italy reports 269 new deaths, celebrates Workers Day

“Italy on Friday reported 269 new fatalities from the novel coronavirus, bringing the total to 28,236, as active infections continue to drop.

The data released by the Italian Civil Protection Department confirm that the country has left behind the peak of the pandemic, as it prepares for a partial lifting of the nationwide lockdown on May 4.”

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“The president, however, warned against dangerous accelerations. "We must defend this result," he said.”

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What does the future look like for Italian Tourism

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Love in lockdown: How a couple distanced by Italy's regional restrictions stays connected

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Italy Says App Tracing COVID-19 Will Be Anonymous

“The Cabinet also stipulated that any bid to release to house arrest prison inmates convicted of terrorism or Mafia crimes due to COVID-19 concerns must seek the opinion of prosecutors, or in the case of top organized crime bosses must run the request by Italy’s national anti-Mafia prosecutor. Prosecutors have expressed concern mobsters can exploit the pandemic to get out of prison.”

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France and Italy in recession as Spain sees record GDP decline

 

[24Roses]

Iowa news today. There is alot going on: May 1: 739 new COVID-19 cases in Iowa, eight additional deaths 739 news cases confirmed and 8 more have passed away. We now have a total of 7,885 confirmed cases and 170 have passed away. 2,899 have recovered (37%). ETA: IMO-this is the highest daily count to date in Ia.
Ex-Iowa governor urges Reynolds to rethink COVID-19 policies
https://kwwl.com/2020/05/01/159-layoffs-coming-to-john-deere-dubuque-works/ Someone here was just asking how they were doing very recently so I was very surprised when I read this today!
KCCI investigates why Tyson won't reveal the number of cases at Perry plant
Businesses split on whether to reopen Friday
Restaurants face difficult decisions as Iowa counties reopen
Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds confirms 'backlog' of 'Test Iowa' results after health care workers report lengthy delays

 

[JerseyGirl]

New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham has locked down the city of Gallup in an effort to "mitigate the uninhibited spread of Covid-19."

Starting at noon today, "all roads into Gallup are closed," the governor's office said in a statement.

Businesses in the city will close from 5 p.m. to 8 a.m., and vehicles will only be allowed to have a maximum of two individuals, the statement said.

"The virus has caused many deaths, stretched our medical facilities and resources to their capacity, and adversely impacted the welfare of the City of Gallup," the city's former Mayor Jackie McKinney said in the letter.

McKinley County, the home of Gallup, has 1,027 positive cases of Covid-19 as of Thursday. That's more than 30% of the state’s total cases and the most positive cases in the entire state, the governor's statement said.

"Its infection trend has shown no sign of flattening," the statement said.

US coronavirus update: Some states have partially reopened

 

[margarita25]

Here’s What 18 LA Restaurant Owners and Chefs Think About Potential Reopenings

“Will you try and open under half capacity if that turns out to be a requirement?
Karolyn Plummer, Sweet Red Peach, Inglewood
Yes. But I believe the restrictions should stay around just a little longer, just to protect everyone. I would just keep things at half capacity, to ease people’s fears. You don’t want to rush. People are very skeptical and scared right now. But If we have to do this whole social distancing and restaurant closing again, it would be bad for a majority of the restaurants.”

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“Josh Loeb, Rustic Canyon Restaurant Group, Santa Monica
We‘re going to do whatever we’re allowed to do. Making food and serving food is what we love to do, and our livelihood depends on that. It’s not ideal, but if they tell us that we can have people in our restaurants, which is something we desperately miss, we’re going to do it. It’s not the romantic restaurant experience we all love. It’s going to be weird. It’s also going to challenge us to find new ways to give hospitality and warmth and love to our customers.”

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“Monica Lee, Beverly Soontofu, Koreatown
We are hoping to open in May sometime but we are seeing how the pandemic’s peak goes this month. We don’t want to reopen until we know that we can open safely.

Jeff Won, Jun Won, Koreatown
Not too concerned about the reopening timeline but more concerned if it’s safe to reopen. Because at the end of the night if one of us gets hurt we are going to need to close.”