Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #54

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Well, yes, but since the average time between when that head of lettuce was picked, taken to the packaging plant, wrapped, boxed and put on trucks and then driven to the grocery store refrigerated warehouse, and then to my store - and stocked, it's about 10 days here where I live. Maybe you've got a faster system, but California produces an awful lot of lettuce and that's how long it takes to get to the store.

Virions do not live outside the human body. The oldest known surface transmission is about 7 days - on stainless steel.

The CDC notes that coronaviruses, as a group of viruses, generally survive poorly on food products and packaging. So, it would be doubtful that it would live longer in a poor environment (from its POV) than on its favorite environments (metal). The structural integrity of this virus is weak (it falls apart easily, metals help it keep stable and enough get support from the metal structure to maintain some integrity). Foods do not have this strength and stability.

The Lancet and JAMA articles on which this is based, along with more information about CoVid, food, water, surfaces, etc are here:

How Long Does the Coronavirus Last on Surfaces?

This is why, while the virus ends up on carpeting, like food, it can't manage the kind of "landing" it needs (stable hard surface) to resist falling apart. I know it sounds odd, but this isn't a bacterium with its own means of living on food. It's a virion, with no means of keeping itself together (at all) until it enters humans through their respiratory systems. It does not enter through digestive systems.

I'm not even sure how you'd get lettuce to yield up its virions in aerosolized form, so that the virions could do their thing in a body. Simply rinsing should be enough. I understand that some people want soap or some other rinse agent (I use one formulated for sterilizing equipment that is rated for use on food machinery, not soap, but not on lettuce).

So far, there aren't good studies on the effects of cold (below 38F) on SARS-CV-2 but it's possible it can survive freezing temperatures (like some other viruses) so wash hands after handling frozen food.

Let's back up to the beginning of the discussion as not to take out of context what my posts have been.

I posted a link to news that 2 workers in a drive though Mexican restaurant, in my city, had tested positive for the virus.

I then said that was why I preferred to make my own food and eat at home because if one of those workers had coughed on, sneezed on, or touched the lettuce when making the taco, it would be possible for me to pick up the virus when I ate the taco a few minutes later.

If you can pick up the virus by simply touching something that has the virus on it, and then putting your fingers in your mouth, you can pick it up by putting food in your mouth that has just been contaminated with the virus a few minutes earlier because someone who has the virus touched it, sneezed on it, coughed on it---whatever.
 
I was listening to Elon Musk on Joe Rogan podcast today and he brought up some very good points that I have been frustrated about since this thing began. Most notably:

We need more data!

How many of the of so called “positive cases” were confirmed with testing as opposed to clinical diagnosis based on symptoms?

How many of the so called “Covid deaths” were folks who have died with Covid as being a significant factor in their death?

These are important questions that must be answered before we can make any kind of objective decisions as to how much longer this shutdown can go on or if it was even needed in the first place.
 
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Texas governor changes coronavirus orders to free jailed salon owner

"I just want to thank all of you, who I just barely met and now you're all my friends," she said. "You mean so much to me, and this would have been nothing without you. Thank you so, so much."

WATCH: The moment Dallas salon owner Shelley Luther was released from jail Thursday. She was met by a large crowd of supporters.FOR MORE: https://t.co/DmP1ydMzuH pic.twitter.com/C9jxwcu1ON

"Throwing Texans in jail who have had their businesses shut down through no fault of their own is nonsensical, and I will not allow it to happen," Abbott said in the release. "That is why I am modifying my executive orders to ensure confinement is not a punishment for violating an order."
 
"A tweet from U.S. Sen. Kyrsten Sinema on Wednesday afternoon said that she was grateful the work would continue."

"Sinema said the decision to "disregard the science that should be the basis of Arizona public health policies — and the White House's guidelines for re-opening — is concerning and disappointing."

ASU to continue COVID-19 modeling despite health department instructions
Arizona State University to continue modeling work despite health department instructions
 
Well, I have not been feeling well this week. Started on Sunday with an attack of acid reflux (woke me up!). I said if I wasn't better today, I'd make a Dr's appt. No appetite, headache, stomach discomfort, some nausea. When I got to Dr, they had me wait outside b/c of the headache symptom. The Dr. called me back in full riot gear. Never saw a nurse at all. B/c of my headache, and low-grade temp (they took it 4 times!) and my job (Home day care provider), the Dr. strongly advised I get tested for Corona. It wasn't as unpleasant as I expected. Got a nasopharyngeal swab and a throat swab. She thinks the two together are most accurate.

Do I think I have Corona? Not really, but how can one know? I don't have any cough or breathing issues. People are frequently presenting with gastric symptoms. So we shall see. The bad part for me: I can't work until the test comes back neg, so lots of people needing to find alternate day care for several days. I also help with a couple of elderly neighbors, so will not be able to do that either :*( Dr. thinks the test results should be back no later than Mon. Til then, I'm isolating in my master bedroom (has attached bath). Still not wanting to eat. I got an RX for Pepcid. Keep me in your prayers.

Holding good thoughts for you ❤️
 
Army of contact tracers in California seek to stomp out coronavirus
LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- The state is ramping up a program to identify people who are potentially exposed to the novel coronavirus but are unaware of it.

On Wednesday, 3,000 employees of the California Department of Public Health began their training as disease detectives.

They are learning how to backtrack the steps of a newly infected person and reach out to everyone that person potentially exposed. From close contacts such as roommates, to huge crowds if the infected person happened to join the throngs at the beach.

The contact tracers would request that the contacts quarantine for 14 days and watch for symptoms.
...

I hope this makes a difference. I have a sneaking suspicion that this might not change behaviours or lead people to quarantine, especially if they get a couple of potential exposure notices, but don't get sick. Will we see a "never cry wolf" issue?
 
Well, I have not been feeling well this week. Started on Sunday with an attack of acid reflux (woke me up!). I said if I wasn't better today, I'd make a Dr's appt. No appetite, headache, stomach discomfort, some nausea. When I got to Dr, they had me wait outside b/c of the headache symptom. The Dr. called me back in full riot gear. Never saw a nurse at all. B/c of my headache, and low-grade temp (they took it 4 times!) and my job (Home day care provider), the Dr. strongly advised I get tested for Corona. It wasn't as unpleasant as I expected. Got a nasopharyngeal swab and a throat swab. She thinks the two together are most accurate.

Do I think I have Corona? Not really, but how can one know? I don't have any cough or breathing issues. People are frequently presenting with gastric symptoms. So we shall see. The bad part for me: I can't work until the test comes back neg, so lots of people needing to find alternate day care for several days. I also help with a couple of elderly neighbors, so will not be able to do that either :*( Dr. thinks the test results should be back no later than Mon. Til then, I'm isolating in my master bedroom (has attached bath). Still not wanting to eat. I got an RX for Pepcid. Keep me in your prayers.

I surely will Sallye818.
Speedy recovery.
 
(Long article. South Korea seems like heaven to me at the moment. Can the USA achieve what South Korea did? )

Parts of Asia that relaxed restrictions without a resurgence in coronavirus cases did these three things

KEY POINTS
  • South Korea and Hong Kong successfully relaxed pandemic restrictions without having another rise in cases by data sharing, using targeted testing and contact tracing.
  • The varying results of efforts across Asia to contain the virus and reopen society present policy options and perhaps lessons for countries behind on the outbreak’s timeline.
  • Public health specialists who spoke with CNBC said they’re not confident U.S. officials are taking note of what’s working and not working in Asia.
The tulips were blooming in Seoul and Dr. Jerome Kim was strolling in his government-issued KF-94 mask with his wife when he got a text message alerting him to a confirmed coronavirus infection in his neighborhood.
...
Kim, who serves as the Director-General of the International Vaccine Institute, clicked on the alert on his phone and it directed him to the municipal site, which detailed the infected individual’s whereabouts over the past several days.

The individual, who was anonymous, had visited a local supermarket on a recent Saturday between 10 a.m. and 10:15 a.m. to buy chilies, which was confirmed with CCTV footage and credit card transaction data, Kim recalled.
...
That alert was one of dozens, if not hundreds, that millions of South Koreans have received since the coronavirus arrived in the country on Jan. 20, Kim said. He added that such sharing of information, despite its data privacy implications, has helped to keep the infection rate down even as businesses reopen.
...
From data sharing and border closures to targeted contact tracing, some policies have proven more effective than others. Countries that were hit later by the virus are at an earlier stage in cycle of the outbreak and have a distinct advantage: insight into what succeeded and failed in other countries in Asia.

However, public health specialists who spoke with CNBC said they’re not confident U.S. officials are taking note of what’s working and what has failed overseas. They predict the virus will likely bounce back in the U.S. as it has in Singapore and Japan.
...
Since the South Korean government never enforced a full lockdown, voluntary compliance has been key, Kim said. The government has encouraged employers to let nonessential personnel work from home, Kim said, and distributes free equipment like masks to every household that requests it.

Government messaging has been clear, consistent and mostly communicated by health officials rather than politicians, he said, which was key to mobilizing the public.

“Koreans have lived under the threat of war since the Korean War and this is like a war,” Kim said. “We’re going to do what we need to do to get through it. This is just part of living here, so people got used to it. The government pulled people together.”

Watching Americans protest social distancing requirements outside state capitals across the U.S., Kim said he wasn’t confident U.S. citizens could be as disciplined as South Korea. Mixed messaging from the White House and state leaders about economic reopening has not helped the public, he said.
...


"The tulips were blooming in Seoul and Dr. Jerome Kim was strolling in his government-issued KF-94 mask with his wife when he got a text message alerting him to a confirmed coronavirus infection in his neighborhood.
...
Kim, who serves as the Director-General of the International Vaccine Institute, clicked on the alert on his phone and it directed him to the municipal site, which detailed the infected individual’s whereabouts over the past several days.

The individual, who was anonymous, had visited a local supermarket on a recent Saturday between 10 a.m. and 10:15 a.m. to buy chilies, which was confirmed with CCTV footage and credit card transaction data, Kim recalled.
...
That alert was one of dozens, if not hundreds, that millions of South Koreans have received since the coronavirus arrived in the country on Jan. 20, Kim said. He added that such sharing of information, despite its data privacy implications, has helped to keep the infection rate down even as businesses reopen."


Ugh....I wouldn't like living in that kind of 'transparency.' So everyone that tests positive, their personal business is mass texted to everyone, down to what they bought in the store and when?

Is that really necessary?:eek:
 
Well, I have not been feeling well this week. Started on Sunday with an attack of acid reflux (woke me up!). I said if I wasn't better today, I'd make a Dr's appt. No appetite, headache, stomach discomfort, some nausea. When I got to Dr, they had me wait outside b/c of the headache symptom. The Dr. called me back in full riot gear. Never saw a nurse at all. B/c of my headache, and low-grade temp (they took it 4 times!) and my job (Home day care provider), the Dr. strongly advised I get tested for Corona. It wasn't as unpleasant as I expected. Got a nasopharyngeal swab and a throat swab. She thinks the two together are most accurate.

Do I think I have Corona? Not really, but how can one know? I don't have any cough or breathing issues. People are frequently presenting with gastric symptoms. So we shall see. The bad part for me: I can't work until the test comes back neg, so lots of people needing to find alternate day care for several days. I also help with a couple of elderly neighbors, so will not be able to do that either :*( Dr. thinks the test results should be back no later than Mon. Til then, I'm isolating in my master bedroom (has attached bath). Still not wanting to eat. I got an RX for Pepcid. Keep me in your prayers.
For sure you are in our Prayers. Feel better soon and keep us posted when your up for it.
 
"Since the coronavirus pandemic hit New York, The Evergreens Cemetery has been handling three times its usual workload — with up to 10 burials a day.

But gravedigger Juan Manon says he won’t stop until every soul is laid to rest.

'I will keep lifting my shovel until I have no more power left,' the 64-year-old Brooklynite told The Post....

A native of the Dominican Republic, Manon has rarely called out sick in the 24 years he’s been working and credits his strong work ethic with guiding him through the crisis.

'I am here to help in the way I can,' Manon said in Spanish."

https://nypost.com/2020/05/07/how-this-nyc-gravedigger-goes-above-and-beyond-during-the-pandemic/
 
Congratulations @musicaljoke !!

Thank you. I would have been there by now ... in my former life. Now I'm just thankful that Daddy made it back home. He's a pilot. At the beginning of all this, flights were cancelled, and I was worried sick that he wouldn't make it back. Baby arrived in a Covid-free hospital. So, considering everything, all is good.
 
(Long article. South Korea seems like heaven to me at the moment. Can the USA achieve what South Korea did? )

Parts of Asia that relaxed restrictions without a resurgence in coronavirus cases did these three things

KEY POINTS
  • South Korea and Hong Kong successfully relaxed pandemic restrictions without having another rise in cases by data sharing, using targeted testing and contact tracing.
  • The varying results of efforts across Asia to contain the virus and reopen society present policy options and perhaps lessons for countries behind on the outbreak’s timeline.
  • Public health specialists who spoke with CNBC said they’re not confident U.S. officials are taking note of what’s working and not working in Asia.
The tulips were blooming in Seoul and Dr. Jerome Kim was strolling in his government-issued KF-94 mask with his wife when he got a text message alerting him to a confirmed coronavirus infection in his neighborhood.
...
Kim, who serves as the Director-General of the International Vaccine Institute, clicked on the alert on his phone and it directed him to the municipal site, which detailed the infected individual’s whereabouts over the past several days.

The individual, who was anonymous, had visited a local supermarket on a recent Saturday between 10 a.m. and 10:15 a.m. to buy chilies, which was confirmed with CCTV footage and credit card transaction data, Kim recalled.
...
That alert was one of dozens, if not hundreds, that millions of South Koreans have received since the coronavirus arrived in the country on Jan. 20, Kim said. He added that such sharing of information, despite its data privacy implications, has helped to keep the infection rate down even as businesses reopen.
...
From data sharing and border closures to targeted contact tracing, some policies have proven more effective than others. Countries that were hit later by the virus are at an earlier stage in cycle of the outbreak and have a distinct advantage: insight into what succeeded and failed in other countries in Asia.

However, public health specialists who spoke with CNBC said they’re not confident U.S. officials are taking note of what’s working and what has failed overseas. They predict the virus will likely bounce back in the U.S. as it has in Singapore and Japan.
...
Since the South Korean government never enforced a full lockdown, voluntary compliance has been key, Kim said. The government has encouraged employers to let nonessential personnel work from home, Kim said, and distributes free equipment like masks to every household that requests it.

Government messaging has been clear, consistent and mostly communicated by health officials rather than politicians, he said, which was key to mobilizing the public.

“Koreans have lived under the threat of war since the Korean War and this is like a war,” Kim said. “We’re going to do what we need to do to get through it. This is just part of living here, so people got used to it. The government pulled people together.”

Watching Americans protest social distancing requirements outside state capitals across the U.S., Kim said he wasn’t confident U.S. citizens could be as disciplined as South Korea. Mixed messaging from the White House and state leaders about economic reopening has not helped the public, he said.
...

The U.S. is such a different culture from Asian cultures, they really can't be compared in this way. IMO.
 
I respect what South Korea has achieved during this epidemic. Also admire what appears to be South Korea's advanced technology. However, I would never say that "South Korea seems like heaven to me" . Nothing could take away my love for the U.S. and the little corner of NM that is my home.
Oh, just to set the record straight, I never meant to comment in an unpatriotic way. I feel the same as you do in your love for the USA. I love my country the USA! Having said that, I envy those countries that seemed to have defeated the virus. That sounds heavenly to me.
 
Well, I have not been feeling well this week. Started on Sunday with an attack of acid reflux (woke me up!). I said if I wasn't better today, I'd make a Dr's appt. No appetite, headache, stomach discomfort, some nausea. When I got to Dr, they had me wait outside b/c of the headache symptom. The Dr. called me back in full riot gear. Never saw a nurse at all. B/c of my headache, and low-grade temp (they took it 4 times!) and my job (Home day care provider), the Dr. strongly advised I get tested for Corona. It wasn't as unpleasant as I expected. Got a nasopharyngeal swab and a throat swab. She thinks the two together are most accurate.

Do I think I have Corona? Not really, but how can one know? I don't have any cough or breathing issues. People are frequently presenting with gastric symptoms. So we shall see. The bad part for me: I can't work until the test comes back neg, so lots of people needing to find alternate day care for several days. I also help with a couple of elderly neighbors, so will not be able to do that either :*( Dr. thinks the test results should be back no later than Mon. Til then, I'm isolating in my master bedroom (has attached bath). Still not wanting to eat. I got an RX for Pepcid. Keep me in your prayers.

Hope you feel better soon Sally. Some of the symptoms you have do sound familiar to me. Aching legs, shoulders and extreme fatigue also featured.

Whatever it is, lots of rest and let your family take care of you.
 
Seems to be working. Out of 40 million people, we only had 11 deaths yesterday. That's coming into line with our goals for going on to a new stage of soft reopening.

I wanted to point out that the IMHE has added new dashboards that are more to the point of their own mission (to assess the delivery of healthcare). It shows how the testing has a negative correlation with deaths (the more we contact trace and test, the fewer the deaths).

The first six cases in my area were cruise ship passengers. I knew when they stuck them on the military bases along the coast and in Sonoma area that we were in for it - and we were. About half our cases apparently track back to those cruise ship passengers. The other half appeared first in Silicon Valley, within the business community, among adults who had been in contact with Asian and European travelers, but those contacts did not always lead to a source:

1st US COVID-19 death was 57-year-old Santa Clara County woman, probe finds

AFAIK, they still haven't found the source for that first US CoVid death (if it's still first - "firsts" almost always get earlier in situations like this...)

didn’t California have 83 new deaths yesterday?
 
"Since the coronavirus pandemic hit New York, The Evergreens Cemetery has been handling three times its usual workload — with up to 10 burials a day.

But gravedigger Juan Manon says he won’t stop until every soul is laid to rest.

'I will keep lifting my shovel until I have no more power left,' the 64-year-old Brooklynite told The Post....

A native of the Dominican Republic, Manon has rarely called out sick in the 24 years he’s been working and credits his strong work ethic with guiding him through the crisis.

'I am here to help in the way I can,' Manon said in Spanish."

https://nypost.com/2020/05/07/how-this-nyc-gravedigger-goes-above-and-beyond-during-the-pandemic/

Another hero honoring those lost to the pandemic.
 
I was tested yesterday. I am not ill but it's required for me to return to work. I had the throat swab which was not so bad. I had an appt. and I was in and out in about 20 min. Brief medical history. Who I was exposed to back in March. Swab and out the door I went. I agreed to stay on at 30 hrs. a month with a very light case load. Reports I can do in Office or from home. Piece of sanity lol.

Is 30 hrs a month normal for you? Or is this more hours, or are you now job sharing with others and have reduced hours?
 
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