Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #56

[10ofRods]

Station Casinos testing workers for coronavirus, antibodies

So, this is interesting. Do they want to know who won't get sick? Or? Not sure of the reason for this.

Well, I think it's a safe bet that people who test positive for Ab aren't going to infect others. I know people are quibbling about test safety percentages, but frankly, no vaccine or any other "successful" treatment is 100% (because genes for one thing).

So, if I knew that all of my students were positive for antibodies, I might agree to go back to class (with maybe a faceshield?) Today, we learned at a college conference that nearly any indoor space is going to result in infection for everyone that frequents that space, even with constant disinfection. Great.

People with antibodies are VERY unlikely to get sick again - and if they have a flare-up (in the next year or so), it's not going to kill us. That's how I'm operating, anyway.

Those without antibodies, OTOH, are nearly CERTAIN to get sick and 20-30% will need major medical intervention, 1% may die, and 10-20% may have lifelong consequences.

IMO.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

What is happening to our country?

Gone crazy. I just saw an old high school friend post on FB that he will not be getting the COVID vaccine because it will actually be a microchip. I am blown away.

I commented that since the vaccine will likely be in short supply and I am at risk, I thank him for giving his up for me.

I mean...what in the world?!

 

[10ofRods]

I really do not understand why so many are not wearing masks. Young and think the virus won't hurt them?
At the very least, they should not be allowed to board without a mask until this virus seriously calms down. Mo

Cuz---> you'll die anyway and "I don't want to live past 30 anyway." (Most commonly expressed view among my students - although most won't give a reason at all, so there's that).

When people reach 30, they often change their minds (I actually have data from the 1970's on this issue - but it was about sexually transmitted diseases, so...)

Anyway, if you're young, you're immune (in the way people think - I see it as we plan our next year's college events- younger faculty are stepping up to do things that everyone silently knows might be deadly for the rest of us).

But IMO, the State has the right to demand you wear a seatbelt - or a mask - or clothes.

 

[10ofRods]

My daughter is scheduled to be a freshman at a state university this fall. We have already discussed that we may hold off her entering until spring. We will continue to monitor how our state (Wisconsin) fares over the next few months

Or have her enroll in really basic classes. If she knows she wants to major in something that requires a performative aspect (anything from theater to nursing), then...yeah...wait awhile. Community colleges are incredibly good at keeping them going until later, when she can maybe transfer someplace you are comfortable with. It would be very irritating to pay the extra tuition for an online class, but most states have seamless (and cheap) transfer from the CC's to the state system.

 

[charminglane]

10oofRods -
Any idea where the conference with the information on indoors shared space even with disinfection = infection came from?

 

[KALI]

Hopefully, parents will be responsible, disinfect surfaces, and wash their children's hands. I certainly would. Our pool and Jacuzzi is open at our Marina, although California is still virtually in lockdown. Adults and children are using these.
Although not as crowded as normal, it's been beautiful weather here in San Diego and I'd say I'm seeing occupancy of about 30% (by viewing our private parking lot).
If you are quarantining, it's pretty perfect.

So it can’t be spread by touching the gate to get in, punching the code, using handrails to get into the pool, the bathrooms or other common areas?
And all of those areas will be cleaned after each group?

I’m just thinking if it’s not safe in a grocery store for children, what is different about a swimming pool everyone has been in previously that day? IDK
Lots to think about.
Heck I cringe when I see kids spit out water in the swimming pool.

 

[mickey2942]

When asked about college students going back, it didn't even cross my mind to think about the 2nd wave, that everyone thinks is inevitable. And there we go, back to the Coronavirus Shut Down, again. October/November.

That would be horribly annoying, to have her semester messed up, again. I will let her decide.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Reopening archives, libraries,and museums (REALM) project page is here:

Reopening Archives, Libraries and Museums (REALM) Information Hub: A COVID-19 Research Project

They are running lab tests with commonly used materials. And FYI, we got an email earlier this week stating that there is not certainty that a 72 hour quarantine of materials is safe. We are advised for now to quarantine materials for up to a week.

Our library is going to open up limited hours for curbside service June 1st unless the governor’s orders change. Beyond that, we will begin to prepare for allowing the public back in. All children’s toys and every chair will go into storage. We will advertise it as a “get in and get out” situation. Our entire front desk will be behind plexiglass. Patrons and employees will be required to wear masks (and I think this will be the case no matter what state guidance is at that point because too many of us are high risk).

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Gone crazy. I just saw an old high school friend post on FB that he will not be getting the COVID vaccine because it will actually be a microchip. I am blown away.

I commented that since the vaccine will likely be in short supply and I am at risk, I thank him for giving his up for me.

I mean...what in the world?!

He'll probably have caught it by then anyways, so he'll either be immune or dead.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

He'll probably have caught it by then anyways, so he'll either be immune or dead.

Immune. He’s ex military and very healthy. Hopefully his wife is, too.

 

[10ofRods]

10oofRods -
Any idea where the conference with the information on indoors shared space even with disinfection = infection came from?

It wasn't a conference, it was a California webinar, sponsored by the Department of Education.

And many resources were shared, but here are the main ones that I cut and pasted:

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^This one was presented by the economists and administrators in the group. Their view is that until there's a vaccine and it's widely administered, no one should go back to indoor classrooms (and by extension - other spaces; it's sobering).

The others are:

Coronavirus Transmission: Chinese Study Shows COVID More Likely Spread Indoors | National Review

(People were choosing links that everyone could access - you can track down the science behind this).

But the original research is in many places, here's one:

Indoor transmission of SARS-CoV-2

From my own group (the few anthropologists on the team), this was submitted (it's good research):

Indoor Air Quality and Severity of COVID-19: Where Communicable and Non-communicable Preventive Measures Meet

Don't know if the full article is available to all. Also, there was the following:

Aerosol and Surface Distribution of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 in Hospital Wards, Wuhan, China, 2020

A few of us shared this^ (it was Zoom, so you know, lots of back chatter).

Then we joked a bit about meeting outdoors. At my own college, upon review of just a couple of these links. faculty joked that maybe we could use the stadium, the amphitheater, the parking lots, etc. And in fact, one college is building spaces in parking buildings (seems like it would be better than indoors, but...wth?)

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Immune. He’s ex military and very healthy. Hopefully his wife is, too.

So an ex-military believes that a vaccine shot is meant to inject a chip inside your body, so Bill Gates can track you? That's nice.

 

[10ofRods]

Sorry if I already posted this one, but a colleague also posted this one:

Indoor Air Quality and Severity of COVID-19: Where Communicable and Non-communicable Preventive Measures Meet

 

[KALI]

I'm not familiar with this news source. However, in my opinion it is a really bad article that leaves out the truth of why this bill is not being embrased.
I am REALLY tired of so called journalists.

A new $3 trillion stimulus package unveiled by House Democrats is designed to help Americans still out of work due to the economic shutdown brought about to fight the spread of the coronavirus.

Another round of stimulus payments for nearly everyone. Most Americans would receive $1,200 checks ($2,400 for a married couple), plus $1,200 for each child up to a maximum of $6,000 per household. As in the first round, the payments start phasing out at $75,000 of modified adjusted gross income for individuals and $150,000 for couples filing jointly.

The payments would not be adjusted for regional cost-of-living differences.

***In addition, dependents over the age of 17, including full-time students below age 24, retroactively would be eligible for $500 payments from the original stimulus bill that they previously could not get.

Expanded unemployment payments. The extra $600 a week in federal unemployment insurance, now planned to expire July 31, would continue through Jan. 31, 2021. Individuals still receiving state unemployment benefits after then would get the extra $600 through March 31.

For those whose state benefits run out but were still unemployed, the federal government would provide 13 more weeks of unemployment insurance benefits through March 31, 2021.

Income tax break on state and local taxes. The legislation would suspend for two years the $10,000 cap on deducting state and local income, property and sales taxes, which Trump and congressional Republicans put in their 2017 tax law.

Small businesses. The Economic Injury Disaster Loan program would get another $10 billion to provide emergency grants to small businesses.

Nutrition assistance. The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, formerly food stamps, would receive $10 billion; the Women, Infants and Children program would get $1.1 billion; and child nutrition programs would get $3 billion. The bill also contains $150 million to help local food banks.

This won’t be the final legislation that reaches the president’s desk, but is the opening round of negotiations among the White House, House Democrats and Senate Republicans.

So far, both President Donald Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., have been reticent to support more aid to state and local governments and more financial assistance to the unemployed.

New stimulus checks coming soon? Here’s what House Democrats’ plan would mean to you.

 

[firebird]

I'm not familiar with this news source. However, in my opinion it is a really bad article that leaves out the truth of why this bill is not being embrased.
I am REALLY tired of so called journalists.

It leaves out every single reason why it's not being embraced. lol

 

[cody22]

The dining experience will be dramatically different when Seattle-area restaurants reopen after coronavirus rules ease

Seattle, Washington Virus News....moo

 

[Deleted member 158085]

So an ex-military believes that a vaccine shot is meant to inject a chip inside your body, so Bill Gates can track you? That's nice.

Yes! And I thought he was one of the more normal ones I graduated with! It’s disturbing.

 

[KALI]

With California's leaders proclamations since last Friday, the writing is on the wall and we have to leave.
Our income has been cut to 40% of what it was, and we were on a very slippery slope even before this. We were holding our own, but, certainly not thriving.
Now, it is plain old unsubstanable.
Just the facts.
We certainly won't be the only ones losing our business and fleeing California.
I predict a huge crash in California. Yeah, we have tech companies here, but even they have been leaving for less expensive States. My daughter is a head hunter for computer technicians.
Once a job applicant learns the true costs of working and living in California they often decline, even 6 figure salaries.
So, we've got to go. We cannot survive the plans that our governor has in store for us.
We're looking at coastal North Carolina.
Anyone live in NC? If you have input, I'd love to hear. I'M please
Kali

 

[Sundog]

Reopening archives, libraries,and museums (REALM) project page is here:

Reopening Archives, Libraries and Museums (REALM) Information Hub: A COVID-19 Research Project

They are running lab tests with commonly used materials. And FYI, we got an email earlier this week stating that there is not certainty that a 72 hour quarantine of materials is safe. We are advised for now to quarantine materials for up to a week.

Our library is going to open up limited hours for curbside service June 1st unless the governor’s orders change. Beyond that, we will begin to prepare for allowing the public back in. All children’s toys and every chair will go into storage. We will advertise it as a “get in and get out” situation. Our entire front desk will be behind plexiglass. Patrons and employees will be required to wear masks (and I think this will be the case no matter what state guidance is at that point because too many of us are high risk).

I really miss our public library, the staff are great and it is a real community hub. Ohio has a fantastic library system called Ohio Link, you can get books and documents from all over the state very easily, statewide interlibrary loan and very fast and efficient. Through the universities and public libraries, all sharing resources. Glad to know about the research and the quarantine time for books. And precautions both patrons and staff are taking.

 

[cody22]

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article242690596.html

Fresno, California Virus News....moo

20,000 migrants have been expelled along border under coronavirus order

International Virus News....moo

China cuts Australian beef imports after warning against virus probe

International Virus News....moo