Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #56

[ilovewings]

I now look at the virus as "an immune system killer" so the Covid is the killer......... just quicker in some with underlying conditions. And unfairly so...since most of these underlying conditions were probably under good medical management.

I now look at the virus as "an immune system killer" so the Covid is the killer......... just quicker in some with underlying conditions. And unfairly so...since most of these underlying conditions were probably under good medical management.

i think that is a good description of this virus--- i believe like you do, that most
of those people who died had medical conditions that were being well managed and they
would not have died at the point they did, if not for this virus.

 

[tresir2012]

Thanks for providing this article, Tresir..... its a start to try to follow what is going on out there. And is that date of today, the actual date of when it came out. (sometimes I see a current date broadcast, but not the actual date of the writing).

And this article still puts Remdesivir the top drug being used/tested for those sick.

And Sorrento isn't even mentioned in this article. Sorrento is a relatively small lab in CA, but just this simple PR announcement made their stock skyrocket yesterday.

I hope we can try to keep up with the craziness of possibilities. With the guard down on FDA requirements etc...we are going to see so many outlandish claims.. I am still feeling that the Oxford stuff seems the most sane so far.


Sorrento Therapeutics skyrockets 244% after claiming a breakthrough on a COVID-19 antibody (SRNE) | Markets Insider

The date that shows on the article for me is 16th April. I started looking thru the list for them (Sorrento) and for the statins but the list is long and I did not have time to go right thru it but I hadn't found them after reading thru at least 20 of the items.

 

[tresir2012]

Why 'shark attacks' won’t go down as Covid deaths

I don't know if this article helps but it refers and debunks a lot of fake news -
it is a fact checking article from the BBC.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Is this a known instance or a hypothetical? That age group does not have many deaths but it seems to also depend on race as well. MOO.

Hypothetical
Was having difficult conversation with my cousin and she said it would be classified as non Covid-19 death.

 

[LadyL]

COMMENTARY: How viruses can leap from animals to humans

 

[mickey2942]

Why 'shark attacks' won’t go down as Covid deaths

I don't know if this article helps but it refers and debunks a lot of fake news -
it is a fact checking article from the BBC.

This article confirms a theory I have had. And I agree that the deaths have been minimized in some areas, while maximized in other areas.

Data reports are only as valid as the actual data collection. Since data collection is completely different from one state to another, reliance on the data as scientific indicators of rise in deaths or cases is hit and miss.

Scary.

 

[Trino]

I keep finding posts referring and blaming China for the virus, and we don't need a discussion on this.

However, it is well known that tens of thousands of Americans returning from Europe were funneled through 13 different airports, although mostly JFK and Newark. Reports from passengers at the time indicated there was little or no screening on arrival.

The virus may have originated in China, but Americans themselves, unintentionally, mostly through travel, contributed to the spread. And, with so much being lifted so early now, we may again be contributing to its spread within our own country.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Reminds me, I forgot to post yesterday's Dr. Campbell video..

interesting tidbit provided by Dr. C...take your vitimin D with fatty foods. D is fat soluable so will work more efficiently in your body...

 

[tresir2012]

Hypothetical
Was having difficult conversation with my cousin and she said it would be classified as non Covid-19 death.

The article I just linked says this.

"Covid-19 is only listed on the death certificatein the United States if the disease played a role in that person dying, so deaths by misadventure such as shark attacks and sky-diving falls would certainly not be included.

Experts say that, if anything, Covid-19 deaths have been under-reported, because of a lack of testing in the community, and deaths at home which aren't counted.

Calculating death rates is certainly not an exact science and is open to interpretation. We've written extensively about how these figures are worked out in the UK: "

• Coronavirus: How to understand the death toll
• Why the UK death count is an inexact science

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Lots of drugs, vaccines being developed-the problem is, it all takes time. Vaccines normally take years because of all the trials they need to undergo. If you accelerate the process and skip steps, there could be unforeseen consequences. Drugs, if they are experimental, usually take a long time to approve. HIV drugs are already approved for HIV, so if they show efficiency, presumably they can be used off label or approved much more quickly. And then if the drug is effective, it's a big undertaking to make enough of it-remdesivir is in short supply. It's all promising but might take years, and the darn virus is killing people now.

We know this is true, and the scientists do keep telling us this. And this has been the truth time after time after time.

That is why I am kindof more hopeful of/will trust more the studies going on in other countries. I believe the US is creating a much greater "slippery slope" than other countries.

This famous cartoon came out years and years ago...but I find it quite relevant to the current thinking in the US.....

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Thanks for providing this article, Tresir..... its a start to try to follow what is going on out there. And is that date of today, the actual date of when it came out. (sometimes I see a current date broadcast, but not the actual date of the writing).

And this article still puts Remdesivir the top drug being used/tested for those sick.

And Sorrento isn't even mentioned in this article. Sorrento is a relatively small lab in CA, but just this simple PR announcement made their stock skyrocket yesterday.

I hope we can try to keep up with the craziness of possibilities. With the guard down on FDA requirements etc...we are going to see so many outlandish claims.. I am still feeling that the Oxford stuff seems the most sane so far.


Sorrento Therapeutics skyrockets 244% after claiming a breakthrough on a COVID-19 antibody (SRNE) | Markets Insider

Agree. Most of what we will (or I will at least) expect in the next months are companies exclaiming "we have a vaccine" etc etc etc etc. These are PR papers that are written for a publication and submitted to MSM so they don't have to write it, for their company in most all situations to increase stock price. MOO It happened with AIDS, and exponential as to how it is happening now. The race for the cure and $$ through the final candidates that will make money vs. open sharing agreement for all.

Which leads into yesterday's WHO presser which talked about countries that are in a group that will share all patents etc., and agree not to bilk for $$$ etc. for income, nor hoard, but will share all efforts and information for the world.

Ummmm.... take a guess which country is not going to participate.

..............Yep, you guessed right.

Here is yesterday's WHO presser which speaks to such.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...nference-15th-may--2020.pdf?sfvrsn=cae39150_2

ETA: Remdesivir? Latest I've seen is that it does not change mortality, only lessens days in ICU by 2-3 days if they live. Might be good for insurance companies, but a no go as to "worth it" or what is needed based on studies to date MOO

Many of these studies were only done on bad cases once in hospitals, (remember, as of just 2 weeks ago most folks could not get test unless really bad, or get into hospital until really bad) so perhaps things will change if given quickly (the snake antivenom example I posited above...or perhaps a rabies treatment as another example... has to be given at outset, or doesn't work at all)

 

[nhmemorymaker]

What are the other more promising drugs being studied?

Remsevidir.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Remsevidir.

Cross posted with you, but respectfully, I'm not seeing what I would consider promising (I added as ETA and cross posted so you may not have seen). Why do you think such?

I'm really concerned what insurance rates are going to be next year. They are going to build into their algorithms the costs for such. SCARY.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Agree. Most of what we will (or I will at least) expect in the next months are companies exclaiming "we have a vaccine" etc etc etc etc. These are PR papers that are written for a publication and submitted to MSM so they don't have to write it, for their company in most all situations to increase stock price. MOO It happened with AIDS, and exponential as to how it is happening now. The race for the cure and $$ through the final candidates that will make money vs. open sharing agreement for all.

Which leads into yesterday's WHO presser which talked about countries that are in a group that will share all patents etc., and agree not to bilk for $$$ etc. for income, nor hoard, but will share all efforts and information for the world.

Ummmm.... take a guess which country is not going to participate.

..............Yep, you guessed right.

Here is yesterday's WHO presser which speaks to such.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...nference-15th-may--2020.pdf?sfvrsn=cae39150_2

ETA: Remdesivir? Latest I've seen is that it does not change mortality, only lessens days in ICU by 2-3 days if they live. Might be good for insurance companies, but a no go as to "worth it" or what is needed based on studies to date MOO

Many of these studies were only done on bad cases once in hospitals, (remember, as of just 2 weeks ago most folks could not get test unless really bad, or get into hospital until really bad) so perhaps things will change if given quickly (the snake antivenom example I posited above...or perhaps a rabies treatment as another example... has to be given at outset, or doesn't work at all)

These are looong reads, but such good reads. This is one of my personal feelings of horror of this pandemic as it roles out further and further. I so badly want to feel like I am a part of this international community coming together to be together on this.

The call is for member states of WHO. The call is also for academia around the world. It's also for the private sector and companies, for research institutions and for co-operation agencies all around the world on a voluntary basis. We want to see those innovations and technologies as global public goods to protect humanity against this threat.

 

[jjenny]

Cross posted with you, but respectfully, I'm not seeing what I would consider promising (I added as ETA and cross posted so you may not have seen). Why do you think such?

I'm really concerned what insurance rates are going to be next year. They are going to build into their algorithms the costs for such. SCARY.

Remdesivir shortens duration-which is a good thing. It actually might have decreased mortality as well, if more people participated in a trial. There was a trend to lower mortality with remdesivir.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Midwest manufacturing workers sound alarm over COVID-19 outbreaks — NBC News

Not just meat packing facilities. Other manufacturing facilities with hundreds/thousands of people in close proximity on an assembly line, eating together in a common dining room or cafeteria, lined up to punch in and out, touching the same turnstiles, pulling down masks to be heard over the noise, touching same computers and controls....

 

[firebird]

The article I just linked says this.

"Covid-19 is only listed on the death certificatein the United States if the disease played a role in that person dying, so deaths by misadventure such as shark attacks and sky-diving falls would certainly not be included.

Experts say that, if anything, Covid-19 deaths have been under-reported, because of a lack of testing in the community, and deaths at home which aren't counted.

Calculating death rates is certainly not an exact science and is open to interpretation. We've written extensively about how these figures are worked out in the UK: "

• Coronavirus: How to understand the death toll
• Why the UK death count is an inexact science

That article neglects to mention that it’s talking about the cdc provisional death totals, which are based on actual death certificates, not the totals being headlined by the media and the cdc, which are the “dead with covid” numbers. As I mentioned yesterday, the “death with covid” numbers were running about 30k higher than the provisional death toll last time I checked. Both numbers are available on the cdc website, but you have to know what you’re looking for to find the provisional numbers.

Also wanted to mention that the two articles above about hydrochloroquine don’t mention azithromycin. I’ve never heard anyone suggest that either, alone, was a potential treatment for covid :::shrug::

NIH begins clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to treat COVID-19

 

[tresir2012]

I keep finding posts referring and blaming China for the virus, and we don't need a discussion on this.

However, it is well known that tens of thousands of Americans returning from Europe were funneled through 13 different airports, although mostly JFK and Newark. Reports from passengers at the time indicated there was little or no screening on arrival.

The virus may have originated in China, but Americans themselves, unintentionally, mostly through travel, contributed to the spread. And, with so much being lifted so early now, we may again be contributing to its spread within our own country.

Australia backed by the EU are pushing for an inquiry. China is effectively starting a trade war with Australia over it. I saw the link today but cannot remember if I posted it so I will see if I can find it. The world does not need this right now but Australia is pretty isolated for Trade so it is important to them.

Looks like EU has agreed to help. Link below.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...dependent-pandemic-probe-20200515-p54t9q.html

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Cross posted with you, but respectfully, I'm not seeing what I would consider promising (I added as ETA and cross posted so you may not have seen). Why do you think such?

I'm really concerned what insurance rates are going to be next year. They are going to build into their algorithms the costs for such. SCARY.

I just think it is "leading the pack" right now. I think I only watch Remdesivir more closely, because it is not as biased a research and development effort. China has been working with remdesivir since early on, before we got non-medical promotion of other antivirals. So, for the time being, I think it is the leading antiviral treatment to be trying and trialing.


But since my very non-medical opinion right now is that this is an "immune system killer".... I want to really see more R&D on various immune system therapies and medications.

There are generally 3 different categories of treatments to test as a potential therapeutic for COVID-19—antivirals, immunotherapies and anti-cytokine storm treatment, and vaccines. Immunotherapies may actually have a protective effect for patients, bringing them to the front of the line of potential treatments.

And, trying to keep up on what they are learning about the Kawasaki-like cases in children, is just taking us into new and unknown places. Remdesivir is not used, in these cases because of the lack of particular symptoms in children...

So we are still shooting in the dark, moo, imo.......

Remdesivir for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 causing COVID-19: An evaluation of the evidence

Immunotherapies at the Forefront of COVID-19 Treatment Research

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(20)30137-5/fulltext

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I just think it is "leading the pack" right now. I think I only watch Remdesivir more closely, because it is not as biased a research and development effort. China has been working with remdesivir since early on, before we got non-medical promotion of other antivirals. So, for the time being, I think it is the leading antiviral treatment to be trying and trialing.


But since my very non-medical opinion right now is that this is an "immune system killer".... I want to really see more R&D on various immune system therapies and medications.

There are generally 3 different categories of treatments to test as a potential therapeutic for COVID-19—antivirals, immunotherapies and anti-cytokine storm treatment, and vaccines. Immunotherapies may actually have a protective effect for patients, bringing them to the front of the line of potential treatments.

And, trying to keep up on what they are learning about the Kawasaki-like cases in children, is just taking us into new and unknown places. Remdesivir is not used, in these cases because of the lack of particular symptoms in children...

So we are still shooting in the dark, moo, imo.......

Remdesivir for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 causing COVID-19: An evaluation of the evidence

Immunotherapies at the Forefront of COVID-19 Treatment Research

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(20)30137-5/fulltext

I also have this theory in life ---> if I cannot remember something it is not meant to be remembered. Since I constantly misspell remdesivir... it is not meant to be spelled or remembered.