Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #57

[Trino]

This. Michigan is still "locked down", so people from Michigan just get in their car, and drive over to Ohio.

May as well open up the malls in Michigan.

Something similar happened here. Our mayor shut down everything in town. So, people just hopped in their car, and went to the bar across the county line.

This random travel, is why the United States will never fully be able to contain Coronavirus.

I don't think I would call it random travel - more like random stupidity.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

And yet, they are reopening some areas:

What exactly will reopen?
Garden centres, farmers’ markets and hardware stores will reopen as well as opticians, motor and bicycle repair shops and phone repair shops. Outdoor workers in construction can return including gardeners and those working in allotments. Tennis courts and golf coses can also reopen but social distancing will apply.

Can I meet up with family and friends from Monday?
Up to four people who don’t live together can meet outdoors while keeping at least two metres apart. People are still being encouraged to stay at home as much as possible. Attendance at funerals is being kept to a maximum of 10 people.

I encourage people to look at the list of what has yet to open in Ireland, but will be reopening soon. Garden Centres, Farmers' Markets, Hardware Stores, Bike & Phone Repair.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I encourage people to look at the list of what has yet to open in Ireland, but will be reopening soon. Garden Centres, Farmers' Markets, Hardware Stores, Bike & Phone Repair.

Ireland have managed the virus v well in terms of containing it IMO. I'm in the UK and remember they "went" before us in closing schools and other places. Garden centres opened here last Wednesday so they are "going" after us on this. Widening the lockdown has hopefully worked very well for them.

 

[ilovewings]

This. Michigan is still "locked down", so people from Michigan just get in their car, and drive over to Ohio.

May as well open up the malls in Michigan.

Something similar happened here. Our mayor shut down everything in town. So, people just hopped in their car, and went to the bar across the county line.

This random travel, is why the United States will never fully be able to contain Coronavirus.

I really like and respect Governor Whitmer, but i think it is time to loosen up the "rules"--- people can take lockdown only so long and then they rebel. I don't agree with taking guns to the capitol but i understand people's frustrations. she needs to start slowly opening up services like hair salons, retail, etc. Also, i think there is a big difference between the number of cases in Southeast Michigan which includes Detroit, and Northern and Western Michigan where there are not as many cases. She needs to look at all of that. That said, I hate the politics of the situation in that state- calling her Hitler and all of that is just political crap.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

I'm resigned to the fact that there will continue to be between 1,000 & 1,500 Deaths per day in the U.S. for the foreseeable future. I'm resigned to the fact that many will justify those numbers by saying, "well, the economy has to survive and thrive, so it's worth it."

There will also be others who will go from saying, "it's worth it," to crying with regret, when someone they actually know comes down with the virus, or even dies from it.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Ireland have managed the virus v well in terms of containing it IMO. I'm in the UK and remember they "went" before us in closing schools and other places. Garden centres opened here last Wednesday so they are "going" after us on this. Widening the lockdown has hopefully worked very well for them.

Yes, Ireland did a very good job. You can truly see what flattened curves are all about by looking at theirs:

COVID-19 Projections | Ireland

 

[Cool Cats]

Well, lots of Irish people do miss the pubs but they're almost impossible to maintain social distancing in. Unlike restaurants people are packed in together cheek by jowl with little personal space. The restaurants will not reopen for a while yet but it will still be before the pubs. The plan for the pubs is to ban smoking outside where people can congregate and only do table service inside with I think max 6 or 8 to a table. It will be a big change from what people think of as the typical pub experience but most Irish people accept that it is necessary for now.

The virus won't notice these moderate changes in restaurants and bars. Scientists in Finland have released a 3D model showing how coronavirus is transported through extremely small airborne aerosol particles when a person coughs, sneezes or talks.

Coronavirus lingers in air longer than previously thought, scientists warn

Image: The model shows a person coughing

Image: After a few seconds the particles have spread along the aisle

Image: In a less a minute, the virus particles spread across the aisle

Image: The model shows the spread of the particles after two minutes

Image: The particles could end up in the respiratory tract of others in the vicinity, researchers said

 

[10ofRods]

This. Michigan is still "locked down", so people from Michigan just get in their car, and drive over to Ohio.

May as well open up the malls in Michigan.

Something similar happened here. Our mayor shut down everything in town. So, people just hopped in their car, and went to the bar across the county line.

This random travel, is why the United States will never fully be able to contain Coronavirus.

Really? Because one state is increasing cases through opening up, all nearby states should do the same?

It will be interesting to see how this shakes down. Using your logic, all states should fall into line with Ohio, like dominoes.

Do you think it's just best if way more people get this now? Shouldn't there be some age-graded advice given out? And is the basic reason so that Michigan businesses can survive and compete against Ohio in future?

But yes, it is why states with larger populations and towns closer together will never be able to contain CoVid - and will likely lose new industries, jobs and employment as a result. Who would start a new giant medical technology business in a state where CoVid limps along at 50 cases per month? Michigan and Ohio need to think ahead.

At any rate, I sure do wonder where this is going to go, if some states get their rates to near zero and others see fluctuating, rather high rates. Who will define "high"? Consumers may do this themselves. But it does make me wonder why we worry so much about car safety or serial killers when CoVid might end up being endemic in some states, killing way more. Is it different because it's a virus? I'm truly curious.

This analysis says that there are probably 10x as many serial killers as LE thinks - so we'll use that dire ratio.

36 per week, nationwide. That's the highest estimate. Most academics think it's only about 2-5 per week (killed by serial killers).

If CV19 were killing 36 per week, randomly across the urban areas of the US, I guess I'd still travel. But if those 36 were in just a few states, I'd avoid those states.

As people get older, they have more disposable income and they travel, constitute a huge proportion of non-international tourism. And when big corporations look for places to situate operations, they want a healthy, attractive place that will attract skilled employees.

Some industries (meat-packing? canning?) will clearly not care and be able to have a higher profit margin in the more "open" states.

 

[Teche]

Blood thinners are already part of the Standard of Care in many (I thought most) hospitals. I wouldn't go to a hospital where the doctors didn't have that listed as part of the Standard of Care. If you have a primary care doctor, ask them if they have admitting privileges to a local hospital or whether you have to go to the ER. If they don't have admitting privileges, ask them if they know a specialist who does have admitting privileges and make a new patient appointment.

Email staff at each doctor's office to inquire (from the doctor) whether they are using blood thinners as part of their SoC and if so, which ones. Provide any history about any pre-existing conditions. While you're at it, you might want to ask if they have experience with prone therapy and reduced ventilator use.

Anyway, blood thinner has been in use in California for more than a month. I have been taking 1 aspirin every other day at the least sign of sneezing or coughing (it's allergy season, and in theory, there are few vectors into my lungs, but one never knows).

I have a history of blood clots, so, I guess that stood out to me in the literature.

I am prone to blood clots too. I have Factor V Leiden and always make sure that I’m prescribed Lovenox for surgical procedures. My condition is genetic and my daughter has it as well. I take 81mg aspirin daily. Anything and everything blood clotting always grabs my attention.

 

[Chelly]

I'm resigned to the fact that there will continue to be between 1,000 & 1,500 Deaths per day in the U.S. for the foreseeable future. I'm resigned to the fact that many will justify those numbers by saying, "well, the economy has to survive and thrive, so it's worth it."

There will also be others who will go from saying, "it's worth it," to crying with regret, when someone they actually know comes down with the virus, or even dies from it.

Agree. I'm resigned to the projections as well. I'm 75 years old so my thinking, of course, is influenced by my age. I will still isolate despite the opening up of businesses. As much as I hate to say this, I look at the phasing in of "business as usual" ....even as virus numbers increase....as a tragic experiment.

 

[mickey2942]

I don't think I would call it random travel - more like random stupidity.

Exactly. This type of stupidity is what will fuel the 2nd wave. And the 3rd wave.

At least in China, when they tell folks to stay home, they actually do it. And even with their Draconian efforts, there continue to be ongoing hotspots.

If China cannot contain the virus, there is no way we can.
Coronavirus flare-ups in China and South Korea prompt new fears of a 2nd wave

 

[Tillicum]

I'm resigned to the fact that there will continue to be between 1,000 & 1,500 Deaths per day in the U.S. for the foreseeable future. I'm resigned to the fact that many will justify those numbers by saying, "well, the economy has to survive and thrive, so it's worth it."

There will also be others who will go from saying, "it's worth it," to crying with regret, when someone they actually know comes down with the virus, or even dies from it.

How many deaths do you think we would have if states didn't begin opening up for the economy? We're opening up in Ohio but I plan to continue as I have through the shut down. My husband has had to work throughout the shut down but has been able to maintain social distancing. Still we only go out when we need to and mask up and stay at least 6 feet from anyone. I hope that those of us who are more vulnerable will continue social distancing as states start reopening.

 

[katydid23]

I encourage people to look at the list of what has yet to open in Ireland, but will be reopening soon. Garden Centres, Farmers' Markets, Hardware Stores, Bike & Phone Repair.

Right, and that is exactly what I have been asking for. A slow, orderly reopening here in California. I think it is time.

 

[tmar]

Hundreds of villages locked down in northeastern China after new coronavirus outbreak



Hundreds of villages locked down in northeastern China after new coronavirus outbreak

Vivi Wu and Adela Suliman
3 hrs ago
Hundreds of villages in China's northeastern Jilin province have been placed under lockdown after a cluster of new coronavirus cases were reported in the region, local government officials said Saturday.
Over 1,000 residential buildings have also been quarantined in Shulan, a small city in the center of the province, after cases were also reported there, the officials said.

Most transport has also been halted to 1,205 villages and their surrounding areas in a bid to control a fresh outbreak of the deadly disease, they added.

 

[Mo Thuairim]

The virus won't notice these moderate changes in restaurants and bars. Scientists in Finland have released a 3D model showing how coronavirus is transported through extremely small airborne aerosol particles when a person coughs, sneezes or talks.

Coronavirus lingers in air longer than previously thought, scientists warn

Image: The model shows a person coughing

Image: After a few seconds the particles have spread along the aisle

Image: In a less a minute, the virus particles spread across the aisle

Image: The model shows the spread of the particles after two minutes

Image: The particles could end up in the respiratory tract of others in the vicinity, researchers said

Yes, there is clearly still a risk. We will only be reopening the pubs in August if public health officials are satisfied that the level of transmission of the virus is sufficiently low to warrant it. The government has made it clear that if there is a spike in cases, the country will go back a step and look at closing pubs and perhaps restaurants again. I suppose that if they are to reopen, it is best that it is done as safely as possible to reduce transmisson risk as much as we can. There certainly will be no free-for-all of reopening in Ireland given the numbers we've been dealing with considering the small size of our population.

 

[tmar]

Crowds at Wuhan clinics fear coronavirus testing could rekindle disease

Crowds at Wuhan clinics fear coronavirus testing could rekindle disease

By Brenda Goh
8 hrs ago
WUHAN, China (Reuters) - As Wuhan, the Chinese city where the COVID-19 pandemic began, revs up a massive testing campaign, some residents crowding the test centres expressed concern on Saturday that the very act of getting tested could expose them to the coronavirus.
...
Although Wuhan's cinemas and banquet halls remain shut to curb large gatherings, the testing requires people to wait in long, sometimes messy, queues.
"Some people have expressed worry in the (social media) groups about the tests, which require people to cluster, and whether there's any infection risk," said one Wuhan resident who asked not to be named.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

How many deaths do you think we would have if states didn't begin opening up for the economy? We're opening up in Ohio but I plan to continue as I have through the shut down. My husband has had to work throughout the shut down but has been able to maintain social distancing. Still we only go out when we need to and mask up and stay at least 6 feet from anyone. I hope that those of us who are more vulnerable will continue social distancing as states start reopening.

I can't really say how much lower the death totals would be, but they would absolutely be lower if a more measured approach to opening up had been pursued. There is a website I go to, but they base their Projections on the current and proposed re-opening plans. Their projections had been declining, but in recent days have started going up again due to the states starting to open. At the moment they are projecting 195K Deaths by the end of July.

The reason is simple. We made it to the plateau, and started to come down the backside of the curve. But instead of waiting for the daily death totals to trend all the way to a contained level, the overall U.S. curve is going to flatten part of the way down the back slope, and then level off at roughly 1,000-1,500 Deaths per day.

 

[tmar]

Trump's emergency powers worry some senators, legal experts

Trump's emergency powers worry some senators, legal experts

By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press
8 hrs ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The day he declared the COVID-19 pandemic a national emergency, President Donald Trump made a cryptic offhand remark.

“I have the right to do a lot of things that people don’t even know about," he said at the White House.
Trump wasn’t just crowing. Dozens of statutory authorities become available to any president when national emergencies are declared. They are rarely used, but Trump last month stunned legal experts and others when he claimed — mistakenly — that he has “total” authority over governors in easing COVID-19 guidelines.

That prompted 10 senators to look into how sweeping Trump believes his emergency powers are.

 

[ilovewings]

Agree. I'm resigned to the projections as well. I'm 75 years old so my thinking, of course, is influenced by my age. I will still isolate despite the opening up of businesses. As much as I hate to say this, I look at the phasing in of "business as usual" ....even as virus numbers increase....as a tragic experiment.

How many deaths do you think we would have if states didn't begin opening up for the economy? We're opening up in Ohio but I plan to continue as I have through the shut down. My husband has had to work throughout the shut down but has been able to maintain social distancing. Still we only go out when we need to and mask up and stay at least 6 feet from anyone. I hope that those of us who are more vulnerable will continue social distancing as states start reopening.

As a vulnerable people, my husband and I will continue to do what we have been doing, no matter what opens up: we do grocery shop (masked)- that is about it; nobody comes to our home and that will not change. we get curb-side takeout --no dining in restaurants- that is out - no going anywhere where there are gatherings of people. I will have go to a beauty salon: i think that can work if both the stylist and myself wear masks and if the salon takes proper precautions.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

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