Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #57

[KALI]

I listened to this Doctor via radio on John and Ken 640 kfi yesterday. Here is their commercial free podcast with Dr. Atlas: Listen to the John and Ken on Demand Episode - Dr Atlas Tells it like It Is on iHeartRadio | iHeartRadio it starts at the 34 minute mark.

I am a big fan of John Chester Kobylt and Kenneth Robertson Chiampou and have been for over 20 years. From: Wikipedia The John and Ken Show - Wikipedia

 

[gitana1]

I can't even imagine requiring kids to wear masks for hours every day. What would be the effect of breathing back in the carbon dioxide that they had just exhaled---- for hours every day? And doing that for 5 days a week.
I start to feel light headed after wearing a mask for an hour.

Hospital workers wear masks for hours. They have for decades. And nothing shows they’ve had ill effects from carbon dioxide.

That’s a social media myth:

VERIFY: Misleading claims make facemasks appear dangerous

As far as kids wearing masks for hours, I know in Holland some schools that reopened require masks. Some have placed plexiglass barriers around their desks.

I do think it’s hard to require kids to wear masks all day at school. Maybe they shouldn’t have to wear masks at least while playing.

But I think the bottom line is reducing the risks as much as possible. It’s a balancing act. Maybe barriers between kids and the teacher. Like a shield. Increasing ventilation in the rooms.

But I think when we are talking about kids in a super market or store, or walking around in a crowded outdoor area, or at church, they should wear a mask. Kids are the worst for sneezing and coughing without covering their mouths. Short periods should be okay for them to wear a mask.

 

[zecats]

It can't be stopped, really. But what this kind of behavior (refusing to socially distance or wear masks when possible) does is keeps a huge sector of the population from being comfortable enough to go places (where they would otherwise spend money), like boardwalks, shopping malls and shops, electronics stores, hardware stores, etc. Those of us concerned about spread due to these people congregating and not wearing masks, will continue to stay away from businesses. And that hurts the economy.

This makes so much sense. I wonder how long it will take for shop owners and restaurants to figure it out? More customers, more sales, more income when everyone feels safe or...let people run loose and lose a good number of the cliental.

Unless we cautious ones are outnumbered by the unmasked protestors.

 

[CSIDreamer]

This makes so much sense. I wonder how long it will take for shop owners and restaurants to figure it out? More customers, more sales, more income when everyone feels safe or...let people run loose and lose a good number of the cliental.

Unless we cautious ones are outnumbered by the unmasked protestors.

I think we're outnumbered. I wouldn't even call the people around here protesters. I dunno what the deal is.

 

[gitana1]

One thing I have noticed is that nobody with HIV as an underlying condition appears to have died so I am wondering if their medication has a prophylactic effect against CV19. Does he address that at all? MOO.

Here's an article from Spain about it.

“We Are Seeing Few Cases of HIV-Positive People With Severe COVID-19”

"So why test Truvada as a COVID-19 prophylaxis? “We are seeing few cases of HIV-positive people with severe COVID-19,” Jose Arribas, MD, rese"rch director of HIV and infectious diseases at La Paz Hospital in Madrid, tells The Washington Blade. “This is surprising because the immune system of an HIV-positive person has similarities to that of older people, who do have severe cases of COVID-19. Furthermore, there is evidence from in vitro studies…that Truvada can have an immunomodulatory effect,” meaning that it may affect the immune system’s activity and thus lower its inflammatory response."

Yes. A friend of mine takes PreP and told me about this. Interesting.

 

[otto]

I, and others, have learned Staying the Blazes Home isn't all that bad compared to the possible consequences of being out-and-about and socializing.

Put a Silly Walks sign in front of the house for better entertainment

'It gives permission for people to be positive and silly': Silly walk spots springing up across the GTA

 

[gitana1]

This makes so much sense. I wonder how long it will take for shop owners and restaurants to figure it out? More customers, more sales, more income when everyone feels safe or...let people run loose and lose a good number of the cliental.

Unless we cautious ones are outnumbered by the unmasked protestors.

I think some have. Like Costco. They know they’ll lose more business without the requirement than they would lose because of the requirement.

I don’t shop at Sprouts these days even though I used to a lot, because they aren’t diligent about keeping things safe in their store. I go to a different one now.

 

[otto]

Thanks for that. Much more detailed than the article I posted.

20% of those infected needed hospitalization. That’s a lot.

That's the problem, and 5% usually don't make it.

 

[gitana1]

@zecats this shows the majority where masks most of the time in public:


Most Americans (69%) say they now wear a mask or face covering at least most of the time when they go out. Those very concerned about getting the virus themselves, and who live in places where they say there are many cases, are especially likely to do so. Urban and suburban dwellers say they wear masks more often than those in rural areas.

Public says coronavirus containment still going badly in U.S., CBS News poll finds

 

[katydid23]

I, and others, have learned Staying the Blazes Home isn't all that bad compared to the possible consequences of being out-and-about and socializing.

True, but we are pretty old and we can afford to stay home, as retirees are on Social security and pensions. And socially, we have no big interest in being out and about.

But what about our children and grandchildren? They have very different lives that we have.

They need to work. They need to continue their educations. And they are in the prime of their 'social lives' too. My granddaughter will not get a proper kindergarten experience. She needs that social learning experience. And she has looked forward to it for a year, since her best friend next door is a year older, and talks about school all the time.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Someone asked last week if any of us knew anyone who has COVID. I had a list then, but now I have to add my handsome, intelligent, hard-working 20 year old nephew to that list. The headache and the body aches have been pretty intense, and he’s normally a very healthy kid. He was working in Iowa. I said give Iowa a week or two and their people will pay for the lack of restrictions. And now it’s my nephew and every part of my brother’s family who have been exposed.

 

[10ofRods]

OK then.....what would be the healthy alternative to children wearing masks? Children NOT wearing masks?

Well, since it's NOT unhealthy for kids to wear certain masks (surgical masks) and those seem to really reduce transmission (along with frequent handwashing), it's a possibility. Those masks are also cheap. If schools cut their hours, which seems likely in most places, the little kids only have to wear them for 2-3 hours a day. In Asia, kids are perfectly fine wearing for 4 hours.

Changing every 4 hours is recommended.

I imagine many school districts will try a blend of Zoom teaching with a fraction of the kids in class at one time, masked. If a child freaks out about a mask, their parent could elect for Zoom-only.

But my granddaughters are fine wearing masks and totally forget they're wearing them, especially if it means they get to see each other at a park and kick a ball around or play chase. More than 3-4 hours would be a lot, though, in terms of both safety and comfort.

I'll just drop this here:

France recorded 70 new coronavirus cases in schools, a week after it let more than 1 million kids go back to class

70 out of 1 million is not many - and of course, if it's all kids, they're likely to be fine. The question still remains about total cases in France's future (we need about a week of data).

So I'd say the risk is small within that population. I don't think there are many teachers in France over the age of 60.

 

[10ofRods]

I wish that were always true. You need to take a trip down to the city near me, and see what they think of the law with their motor scooter taking over the roads unenforced, teenagers ravaging stores unenforced, unions stopping vehicles going to work unenforced, etc.

Again, I like your concept, but some people do have the freedom to break laws.

I probably already answered - but disintegration of law enforcement is one of the things we watch, in anthropology, as an indicator of disintegration of what we call "civilization."

China is becoming quite interesting. I don't read Chinese, but colleagues who do say that money is virtually not in circulation (another sign of civilization cracking up). Almost all purchases are by IOU's and those IOU's are being bought and sold in a "secondary market" (this is never good).

 

[gitana1]

Wuhan bans hunting, eating wild animals in response to coronavirus

Wuhan bans hunting, eating wild animals in response to coronavirus

Kaelan Deese
1 hour ago
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Wuhan, the Chinese city that is thought to be ground zero for the coronavirus outbreak, has banned hunting and eating wild animals as a response to the global pandemic and in hopes of preventing future outbreaks.

Wuhan's local administration announced Wednesday that the consumption and hunting of all wild animals have been banned in the city of over 11 million people, CBS reported.

The administration declared Wuhan a "wildlife sanctuary," only allowing hunting under the exception of government-sanctioned work such as "scientific research, population regulation, monitoring of epidemic diseases and other special circumstances," the report added.
The city also said it would impose hefty restrictions on wild animal breeders, disallowing them to breed food for consumption, and even making a stance for a broader plan to eventually buy out exotic animal breeders.

Geez. Finally.

 

[gitana1]

True, but we are pretty old and we can afford to stay home, as retirees are on Social security and pensions. And socially, we have no big interest in being out and about.

But what about our children and grandchildren? They have very different lives that we have.

They need to work. They need to continue their educations. And they are in the prime of their 'social lives' too. My granddaughter will not get a proper kindergarten experience. She needs that social learning experience. And she has looked forward to it for a year, since her best friend next door is a year older, and talks about school all the time.

If people followed the damn rules (like staying six feet apart and wearing masks) we could reopen much faster. The shut downs were imposed because people don’t. Everyone just needs to be better citizens. More civic minded.

As long as people don’t, we might have longer and/or more extensive shut downs.

There are ways to make businesses/work places safer. But not if people don’t follow the rules.

Schools will be harder to manage but some nations have reopened them with precautions. Hopefully we can be as community minded as those nations and do what’s required to be safe.

It’s up to us. Those yahoos screaming about masks and social distancing and yelling inches from cop’s faces are ruining it for the rest of us.

I can tell you that in the court system we are slowly reopening with strict conditions. But it’s now going to be very impacted.

Everyone inside the building has to wear a mask. But everything is over the phone or zoom right now. And hardcore trials are being set in the fall or even next year. We won’t see the inside of a courtroom except for certain specific cases, until the fall.

I would be somewhat comfortable, despite having asthma, being inside the courtroom, as long as the hearing was specially set, (meaning instead of everyone cramming into the department to wait our turn only the people in one case show up) closed to the public and everyone wearing masks.

 

[Runswithscissorz]

I think we're outnumbered. I wouldn't even call the people around here protesters. I dunno what the deal is.

Being older I definitely feel outnumbered.
I’m also responsible for procuring food etc for elderly mom who lives near but on her own.

On bad days I feel as if it’s only a matter of time I get exposed despite my best efforts.
That I’ll expose my mom.
That’s it’s only a matter of time and that I will surely die of it.

That the young people who refuse masks and social distancing will celebrate because they see me as a drain on their lifestyle.
I hope one of my kids will take care of my dog.

 

[gitana1]

Someone asked last week if any of us knew anyone who has COVID. I had a list then, but now I have to add my handsome, intelligent, hard-working 20 year old nephew to that list. The headache and the body aches have been pretty intense, and he’s normally a very healthy kid. He was working in Iowa. I said give Iowa a week or two and their people will pay for the lack of restrictions. And now it’s my nephew and every part of my brother’s family who have been exposed.

Scary.

 

[mickey2942]

I think we're outnumbered. I wouldn't even call the people around here protesters. I dunno what the deal is.

More and more lately, I consider them to be "Pandemic Deniers". They seem to see shutting down schools, businesses, as government over reach, and over reaction. They don't seem to understand the concept, that because we did these measures, that is WHY we didn't have mass deaths in the United States.

They just don't get "it". Fine, go get a haircut without a mask. Happy now?!

 

[Rocco]

Hospital workers wear masks for hours. They have for decades. And nothing shows they’ve had ill effects from carbon dioxide.

That’s a social media myth:

VERIFY: Misleading claims make facemasks appear dangerous

As far as kids wearing masks for hours, I know in Holland some schools that reopened require masks. Some have placed plexiglass barriers around their desks.

I do think it’s hard to require kids to wear masks all day at school. Maybe they shouldn’t have to wear masks at least while playing.

But I think the bottom line is reducing the risks as much as possible. It’s a balancing act. Maybe barriers between kids and the teacher. Like a shield. Increasing ventilation in the rooms.

But I think when we are talking about kids in a super market or store, or walking around in a crowded outdoor area, or at church, they should wear a mask. Kids are the worst for sneezing and coughing without covering their mouths. Short periods should be okay for them to wear a mask.

Hospital workers have been wearing masks for hours for decades? Surgical teams wear masks for an hour or two during surgery or MEs during an autopsy. Doctors and nurses wear them when treating an infectious patient. Except for now, medical personnel have never worn them for 6 hours a day, everyday.

From your link under the heading of BOTTOM LINE:

''Keep in mind, you shouldn't be wearing these for prolonged periods anyways''

I absolutely agree, children should be wearing them now when out in public for a couple of hours. I'm pleased to see that happening a lot in my city. I see a children with masks accompanied by a parents with a masks and I also see parents with no masks but their children have them on.

But IMO, children with developing brains, should not be wearing them for 6 hrs a day, 5 days a week.

 

[witoman]

They could, I suppose, bar his way into the factory. Lock the doors, lock the gate.

That would be a strange event. I guess they could also give the workers an opportunity to meet outdoors with the president. But would Ford want to allow possibly exposed workers to go back into the factory if they didn't go get tested?

Well, we live in interesting times.

The US Air Force currently requires face masks for anyone on base. Which makes it revealing when at the May 15, 2020 photo op of the debut of the new US Space Force flag in the Oval Office, there were none. L-R are Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, Secretary of the Air Force Barbara Barrett, Chief of Space Operations Gen. John Raymond, Chief Master Sgt. Roger Towberman and President Donald Trump.