Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #57

[gngr~snap]

My friend from ho chi minh
city doesn't understand why Americans have an issue with mask wearing. She lives in Las Vegas now, but everyone wore masks there. They did so willingly, mostly because the smog was so bad, if you wanted clean air, that was the only way you would get it outdoors some days. Since we can't see the virus we resist. What if we could see it??
Do you think some people would change their minds?


*the graph attached is very telling
IMO
Masks Save Lives - COVID-19

 

[Rocco]

OK then.....what would be the healthy alternative to children wearing masks? Children NOT wearing masks?

Chelly Chelly Chelly. You're not fooling me---- I can tell that even though your post isn't in caps, you're yelling at me.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Being older I definitely feel outnumbered.
I’m also responsible for procuring food etc for elderly mom who lives near but on her own.

On bad days I feel as if it’s only a matter of time I get exposed despite my best efforts.
That I’ll expose my mom.
That’s it’s only a matter of time and that I will surely die of it.

That the young people who refuse masks and social distancing will celebrate because they see me as a drain on their lifestyle.
I hope one of my kids will take care of my dog.

You need a cyber hug. So here.

I'm not really too scared as I wear a mask and pay attention to where people around me are standing/moving.

I do my mom's grocery shopping so I'm careful around her.

Around here I'm not seeing any certain age not wearing masks.

 

[CSIDreamer]

More and more lately, I consider them to be "Pandemic Deniers". They seem to see shutting down schools, businesses, as government over reach, and over reaction. They don't seem to understand the concept, that because we did these measures, that is WHY we didn't have mass deaths in the United States.

They just don't get "it". Fine, go get a haircut without a mask. Happy now?!

I've said many times, I'm pretty much in the middle. But I think masks and physical distancing, and handwashing, are the key. I'm just thinking even a 50/50 mix would be good. I know not everyone is going to wear a mask. I've always had a need for a lot of personal space so I've never liked people breathing down my neck. Jmo

 

[Runswithscissorz]

[QuoteSince we can't see the virus we resist. What if we could see it??
Do you think some people would change their minds?]

Maybe in the winter it will become clearer, when we can see our breath in the cold air.

ETA: @CSIDreamer thank you. Much needed, much appreciated.

 

[MimosaMornings]

I just saw this discussed on the HOA site because there was a big brouhaha at the nearby park.

Overwhelming vote was they would rather stand elbow to elbow in a crowded park with no mask around strangers versus going to work in an small office environment where everyone had to wear masks for 1/2 day.

 

[10ofRods]

Someone asked last week if any of us knew anyone who has COVID. I had a list then, but now I have to add my handsome, intelligent, hard-working 20 year old nephew to that list. The headache and the body aches have been pretty intense, and he’s normally a very healthy kid. He was working in Iowa. I said give Iowa a week or two and their people will pay for the lack of restrictions. And now it’s my nephew and every part of my brother’s family who have been exposed.

Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope he gets through the symptoms quickly. He will likely have strong antibodies, given his symptom (IMO, from what I see in the literature).

Anyway, sending hope and optimism. You must be so worried. I truly value all your contributions here and feel as if I know you, so [[[hugs]]] from an internet friend.

 

[LadyL]

Being older I definitely feel outnumbered.
I’m also responsible for procuring food etc for elderly mom who lives near but on her own.

On bad days I feel as if it’s only a matter of time I get exposed despite my best efforts.
That I’ll expose my mom.
That’s it’s only a matter of time and that I will surely die of it.

That the young people who refuse masks and social distancing will celebrate because they see me as a drain on their lifestyle.
I hope one of my kids will take care of my dog.

ask them straight out
who will care for my dog should I die?
I asked my (large) extended family and two people immediately spoke up
it's a very comforting feeling knowing this

 

[Bravo]

The US Air Force currently requires face masks for anyone on base. Which makes it revealing when at the May 15, 2020 photo op of the debut of the new US Space Force flag in the Oval Office, there were none. L-R are Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, Secretary of the Air Force Barbara Barrett, Chief of Space Operations Gen. John Raymond, Chief Master Sgt. Roger Towberman and President Donald Trump.

Welcome to WS witoman

 

[firebird]

They could, I suppose, bar his way into the factory. Lock the doors, lock the gate.

That would be a strange event. I guess they could also give the workers an opportunity to meet outdoors with the president. But would Ford want to allow possibly exposed workers to go back into the factory if they didn't go get tested?

Well, we live in interesting times.

She said in the letter she’s not going to do anything. It’s just a stunt imo

 

[The Night Watchman]

I probably already answered - but disintegration of law enforcement is one of the things we watch, in anthropology, as an indicator of disintegration of what we call "civilization."

China is becoming quite interesting. I don't read Chinese, but colleagues who do say that money is virtually not in circulation (another sign of civilization cracking up). Almost all purchases are by IOU's and those IOU's are being bought and sold in a "secondary market" (this is never good).

I don't quite fully understand this but will look into what you are saying. Very interesting.

 

[The Night Watchman]

My friend from ho chi minh
city doesn't understand why Americans have an issue with mask wearing. She lives in Las Vegas now, but everyone wore masks there. They did so willingly, mostly because the smog was so bad, if you wanted clean air, that was the only way you would get it outdoors some days. Since we can't see the virus we resist. What if we could see it??
Do you think some people would change their minds?


*the graph attached is very telling
IMO
Masks Save Lives - COVID-19

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While I agree that masks save lives, I question the conclusion. The four countries noted have a compliant population that responds to government direction (willingly or unwillingly). I would say that is the conclusion of the graph.

 

[anneg]

Someone asked last week if any of us knew anyone who has COVID. I had a list then, but now I have to add my handsome, intelligent, hard-working 20 year old nephew to that list. The headache and the body aches have been pretty intense, and he’s normally a very healthy kid. He was working in Iowa. I said give Iowa a week or two and their people will pay for the lack of restrictions. And now it’s my nephew and every part of my brother’s family who have been exposed.

I'm so sorry to hear this. I hope your nephew will recover quickly, and your brother and the rest of his family won't get COVID.

 

[The Night Watchman]

Being older I definitely feel outnumbered.
I’m also responsible for procuring food etc for elderly mom who lives near but on her own.

On bad days I feel as if it’s only a matter of time I get exposed despite my best efforts.
That I’ll expose my mom.
That’s it’s only a matter of time and that I will surely die of it.

That the young people who refuse masks and social distancing will celebrate because they see me as a drain on their lifestyle.
I hope one of my kids will take care of my dog.

What you say is heartbreaking. Please don't be defeated. The virus will be with us until there is a vaccine, but you control your destiny. If you continue with stringent precautions, you and your Mom should be fine. The CDC just announced that the virus does not easily spread from surface contact, so it will be hard to bring the virus home.

 

[musicaljoke]

This U of T scientist says he’s invented a ‘cure’ for COVID-19. Will patients ever see it?
...

But when Sachdev Sidhu talks about what his team has accomplished in their lab at the University of Toronto’s Donnelly Centre for Cellular and Biomolecular Research, the words are entirely his own. And they stun.

A cure. For the coronavirus. For SARS-CoV-2. For the COVID-19 disease that has killed upwards of 320,000 people around the planet.

A knockout punch.

“Yes, I believe ‘cure’ is the proper word,’’ the molecular engineer says, almost blandly. “They would no longer be ill. They would no longer have the virus in their system. That’s a cure.’’

He’s done it. He’s certain.

...
More about the development of synthetic antibodies at the link above.

 

[Chelly]

Wuhan bans hunting, eating wild animals in response to coronavirus

Wuhan bans hunting, eating wild animals in response to coronavirus

Kaelan Deese
1 hour ago
...
Wuhan, the Chinese city that is thought to be ground zero for the coronavirus outbreak, has banned hunting and eating wild animals as a response to the global pandemic and in hopes of preventing future outbreaks.

Wuhan's local administration announced Wednesday that the consumption and hunting of all wild animals have been banned in the city of over 11 million people, CBS reported.

The administration declared Wuhan a "wildlife sanctuary," only allowing hunting under the exception of government-sanctioned work such as "scientific research, population regulation, monitoring of epidemic diseases and other special circumstances," the report added.
The city also said it would impose hefty restrictions on wild animal breeders, disallowing them to breed food for consumption, and even making a stance for a broader plan to eventually buy out exotic animal breeders.

Boggles the mind.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Sweden in deep economic crisis despite soft lockdown, as per capita deaths rise

Marten Bjellerup, chief economist at the debt office in Stockholm, said he thinks Sweden will fare “somewhat better” than others, but acknowledged “the difference is marginal.”

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For now, Sweden’s experiences suggest there might be few economic benefits to leaving an economy open during a pandemic.

 

[gitana1]

Hospital workers have been wearing masks for hours for decades? Surgical teams wear masks for an hour or two during surgery or MEs during an autopsy. Doctors and nurses wear them when treating an infectious patient. Except for now, medical personnel have never worn them for 6 hours a day, everyday.

From your link under the heading of BOTTOM LINE:

''Keep in mind, you shouldn't be wearing these for prolonged periods anyways''

I absolutely agree, children should be wearing them now when out in public for a couple of hours. I'm pleased to see that happening a lot in my city. I see a children with masks accompanied by a parents with a masks and I also see parents with no masks but their children have them on.

But IMO, children with developing brains, should not be wearing them for 6 hrs a day, 5 days a week.

With respect, it’s very clear to me that you are unaware of how surgical teams operate. They do surgeries all day. Not just one. Some last hours.

Dental hygienists likewise wear masks most of the entire day. No one is expected to keep them stapled to their faces but Healthcare professionals have and certainly do wear masks for most of their workday depending on who they are and what they do.

Finally, while I don’t know that it’s feasible to have little children wear a mask properly for hours at a time, there is zero evidence that states it does anything in anyway negatively to their brains. I cite my sources. Please cite yours.

 

[Chelly]

Chelly Chelly Chelly. You're not fooling me---- I can tell that even though your post isn't in caps, you're yelling at me.

Oh @Rocco , you made me smile. However, your assertions require substantiation.

 

[zecats]

Being older I definitely feel outnumbered.
I’m also responsible for procuring food etc for elderly mom who lives near but on her own.

On bad days I feel as if it’s only a matter of time I get exposed despite my best efforts.
That I’ll expose my mom.
That’s it’s only a matter of time and that I will surely die of it.

That the young people who refuse masks and social distancing will celebrate because they see me as a drain on their lifestyle.
I hope one of my kids will take care of my dog.

My husband survived. He's 10 years older than I am, diabetic and has had open heart surgery - takes BP meds and a bunch of others. I wore a mask around him, washed my hands, wiped things down, had food delivered, and I did not get it - unless I had a milder version of it, which is possible according to his hospital docs. . I also deliver things to my 87 year old mom, wear a mask there too, and stay at the bottom of her apartment stairs to chat with her. Please remember there are many things you can do to take care of yourself (and your mom).

And maybe sit down with (virutally) your kids and tell them how you feel. Ask them to promise to take care of your dog so you'll at least not have that worry. Take care. xxoo