Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #57

[10ofRods]

Since we can't see the virus we resist. What if we could see it??
Do you think some people would change their minds?

Maybe in the winter it will become clearer, when we can see our breath in the cold air.

ETA: @CSIDreamer thank you. Much needed, much appreciated.

Yep. If this killer was a 6'4" human, going all over the country, killing 90,000 people, the public would be on high alert and change their behavior dramatically. If we found out it was a group of 100 similar-looking killers, ditto. And so many resources would be mobilized. Police everywhere would be suiting up for warfare, basically. We'd have manhunts that make the mild shut-downs we see between states look like a walk in the park.

It's 3X the number of deaths from car accidents (roughly).

 

[Rocco]

With respect, it’s very clear to me that you are unaware of how surgical teams operate. They do surgeries all day. Not just one. Some last hours.

Dental hygienists likewise wear masks most of the entire day. No one is expected to keep them stapled to their faces but Healthcare professionals have and certainly do wear masks for most of their workday depending on who they are and what they do.

Finally, while I don’t know that it’s feasible to have little children wear a mask properly for hours at a time, there is zero evidence that states it does anything in anyway negatively to their brains. I cite my sources. Please cite yours.

With all due respect, you're wrong on all counts. There's a limit to how many surgeries a physician does a day. And after surgery is completed, they dictate post op orders and tend to other business before starting another surgery--- and they don't wear a mask while doing it. They do not stand there and perform one surgery after another with a mask on---for 6 hours---everyday. Yes, some last hours but it's not an everyday occurrence like some are suggesting children be subjected to in the wearing of masks everyday in school
Hygienists also do not stand there for 6 hours with a mask on. After they finish with one patient, they restock their supplies and clean their station in preparation for the next patient---and they don't wear a mask while doing it.
My source is the link YOU provided. Which stated: 'Keep in mind, you shouldn't be wearing these for prolonged periods anyways''

 

[155etta]

They could, I suppose, bar his way into the factory. Lock the doors, lock the gate.

That would be a strange event. I guess they could also give the workers an opportunity to meet outdoors with the president. But would Ford want to allow possibly exposed workers to go back into the factory if they didn't go get tested?

Well, we live in interesting times.

That's an understatement.

 

[tresir2012]

OK then.....what would be the healthy alternative to children wearing masks? Children NOT wearing masks?

What about face shields? I saw a pic where babies in a maternity unit had them on - made by the nurses. Kids could make their own at school.

 

[pocketaccent]

Yep. If this killer was a 6'4" human, going all over the country, killing 90,000 people, the public would be on high alert and change their behavior dramatically. If we found out it was a group of 100 similar-looking killers, ditto. And so many resources would be mobilized. Police everywhere would be suiting up for warfare, basically. We'd have manhunts that make the mild shut-downs we see between states look like a walk in the park.

It's 3X the number of deaths from car accidents (roughly).

Excellent analogy, Professor!

Just to add my two cents, what if the ruthless killer shows a tendency to attack only those without masks...

 

[Rocco]

Oh @Rocco , you made me smile. However, your assertions require substantiation.

Well, let's look at the logistics of this since we're having such a good time tonight.

How is lunch hour going to work?

How is recess going to work?

How is music class, band, orchestra, and choir going to work?

How is basketball and other sports going to work and taking showers after going to work?

How is socializing with your classmates going to work?

What are they going to do with the children who have asthma and can't wear a mask?

How much time are the teachers going to spend with the little rascals who don't want to wear a mask and take them off?

How many times a day are masks going to have to be changed when kids sneeze into them?

How many masks is the school going to have to keep on hand for the kids who don't wear one to school or forget to wear them?

I could go on but I'm going to wait for your solutions first.

I know you've got this!

 

[Trino]

Ridiculous. I honestly hope this is the beginning of the end for public schools, but my guess is that the goal is to sell the real estate and go 100% online over time. Will be fun to see how the SPED entitlements are handled.

I agree that brick and mortar schools will eventually disappear, but this is going to take years and years - maybe even a hundred years. Obviously, there's also the question of what to do about less than motivated students and online learning, plus kids who do not have internet access. Years away, but it will eventually happen.

What about face shields? I saw a pic where babies in a maternity unit had them on - made by the nurses. Kids could make their own at school.

But... but... that's not in the curriculum (LOL).

 

[Rocco]

What about face shields? I saw a pic where babies in a maternity unit had them on - made by the nurses. Kids could make their own at school.

That's the best solution I've heard so far.

 

[Trino]

ask them straight out
who will care for my dog should I die?
I asked my (large) extended family and two people immediately spoke up
it's a very comforting feeling knowing this

We have 3 older cats. I don't know what would happen to them. One son/family has 6 pets (including 2 cats). The other son's wife does not like cats. Just hope we outlive them.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope he gets through the symptoms quickly. He will likely have strong antibodies, given his symptom (IMO, from what I see in the literature).

Anyway, sending hope and optimism. You must be so worried. I truly value all your contributions here and feel as if I know you, so [[[hugs]]] from an internet friend.

Thank you. My SIL and other nephew (his mother and brother) were tested tonight because of symptoms.

 

[MsArk]

Yep. If this killer was a 6'4" human, going all over the country, killing 90,000 people, the public would be on high alert and change their behavior dramatically. If we found out it was a group of 100 similar-looking killers, ditto. And so many resources would be mobilized. Police everywhere would be suiting up for warfare, basically. We'd have manhunts that make the mild shut-downs we see between states look like a walk in the park.

It's 3X the number of deaths from car accidents (roughly).

Excellent post and so very true.

 

[The Night Watchman]

So I have the unpopular opinion that we need to get people back to work and to not do so is an over-reaction to the pandemic. My strong caveat is that we protect vulnerable workers, and we know who they are from mortality data.

The U.S. has 30 million people unemployed and most are collecting unemployment. This is obviously not sustainable.

What I have suggested is to furlough vulnerable workers (5 million?) and give them full unemployment benefits, instead of giving benefits to 30 million workers. Maybe learn from past mistakes, such as leaving senior living homes vulnerable to a contagious virus. But there is no mention of protecting people in the governments response, so maybe it is just a dumb idea.

But if I was 55, overweight, had high blood pressure and diabetes, and was behind on my mortgage; I would have to go to work, and be bleeping terrified that I am a bus driver on the transit system (this is an example of my neighbors son).

Is this the day I get it? What are my odds of dying?

 

[firebird]

The idea of forcing little kids to wear masks in school all day makes me angry. Awful physically and mentally and completely uneccessary. Not to mention likely highly ineffective. jmo

 

[firebird]

So I have the unpopular opinion that we need to get people back to work and to not do so is an over-reaction to the pandemic. My strong caveat is that we protect vulnerable workers, and we know who they are from mortality data.

The U.S. has 30 million people unemployed and most are collecting unemployment. This is obviously not sustainable.

What I have suggested is to furlough vulnerable workers (5 million?) and give them full unemployment benefits, instead of giving benefits to 30 million workers. Maybe learn from past mistakes, such as leaving senior living homes vulnerable to a contagious virus. But there is no mention of protecting people in the governments response, so maybe it is just a dumb idea.

But if I was 55, overweight, had high blood pressure and diabetes, and was behind on my mortgage; I would have to go to work, and be bleeping terrified that I am a bus driver on the transit system (this is an example of my neighbors son).

Is this the day I get it? What are my odds of dying?

It's not really that unpopular of an opinion in my irl experience. jmo

 

[10ofRods]

My husband survived. He's 10 years older than I am, diabetic and has had open heart surgery - takes BP meds and a bunch of others. I wore a mask around him, washed my hands, wiped things down, had food delivered, and I did not get it - unless I had a milder version of it, which is possible according to his hospital docs. . I also deliver things to my 87 year old mom, wear a mask there too, and stay at the bottom of her apartment stairs to chat with her. Please remember there are many things you can do to take care of yourself (and your mom).

And maybe sit down with (virutally) your kids and tell them how you feel. Ask them to promise to take care of your dog so you'll at least not have that worry. Take care. xxoo

Thank you for this. I'm so glad for you and your husband, but it must have been scary. I'll sleep a little easier though, as so much of what we hear is so negative.

 

[zecats]

Excellent analogy, Professor!

Just to add my two cents, what if the ruthless killer shows a tendency to attack only those without masks...

Not so far off actually. While watching CNN with Chris Cuomo, who once again had his brother Gov Andrew Cuomo as a guest, the governor stated that infection rate is much much lower with nurses, doctors, EMT's, firemen, policemen, (first line and first responders). Reason being and believed - they all wear masks.

 

[pocketaccent]

Wisconsin woman says she got coronavirus despite taking hydroxychloroquine for years

 

[firebird]

Wisconsin woman says she got coronavirus despite taking hydroxychloroquine for years

No one ever said hcq it stops 100% of people from getting the virus (although it may in some cases). D'oh, "wisconsin woman" lol. They've said it may stop you from dying of it. I notice the article doesn't say how sick she supposedly got. And she's obviously recovered. I Really have no idea why people are trying to completely discount a common, cheap drug that has the potential to help thousands of people. Bizarre, imo.

 

[Sundog]

Good article on the work that Ford company employees are doing to make ventilators, when these employees who volunteered to go back to work to do so could have made more money by collecting unemployment insurance, given the federal monthly supplement of $600.

From building trucks to ventilators, Ford's crisis response, worker pride on display during Trump's Mich. visit

 

[mickey2942]

So I have the unpopular opinion that we need to get people back to work and to not do so is an over-reaction to the pandemic. My strong caveat is that we protect vulnerable workers, and we know who they are from mortality data.

The U.S. has 30 million people unemployed and most are collecting unemployment. This is obviously not sustainable.

What I have suggested is to furlough vulnerable workers (5 million?) and give them full unemployment benefits, instead of giving benefits to 30 million workers. Maybe learn from past mistakes, such as leaving senior living homes vulnerable to a contagious virus. But there is no mention of protecting people in the governments response, so maybe it is just a dumb idea.

But if I was 55, overweight, had high blood pressure and diabetes, and was behind on my mortgage; I would have to go to work, and be bleeping terrified that I am a bus driver on the transit system (this is an example of my neighbors son).

Is this the day I get it? What are my odds of dying?

This is the reality of so many people currently in the workforce. Can't quit. Go back to work, and just roll the dice.

So many of us can't just stay home and wait it out. And really, for most of us, isn't this just a waiting game? Wait to get the virus, or get a vaccine. Zero sum game.

Unless you can live under a rock, with zero contact with people or live a life of OCD cleaning, mask wearing, gloved up.