Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #57

[Rocco]

This is the reality of so many people currently in the workforce. Can't quit. Go back to work, and just roll the dice.

So many of us can't just stay home and wait it out. And really, for most of us, isn't this just a waiting game? Wait to get the virus, or get a vaccine. Zero sum game.

Unless you can live under a rock, with zero contact with people or live a life of OCD cleaning, mask wearing, gloved up.

And for those who could stay home and wait it out, how long are they willing to do that? One year? Two years? Three years?

I can tolerate wearing a face mask and gloves when going out but I'm done not getting together with my kids and grandchildren. We all live in the same city and are used to getting together a few times a week. No more.

 

[mickey2942]

And for those who could stay home and wait it out, how long are they willing to do that? One year? Two years? Three years?

I can tolerate wearing a face mask and gloves when going out but I'm done not getting together with my kids and grandchildren. We all live in the same city and are used to getting together a few times a week. No more.

I am trying to figure out people who have parents, spouses, in Long Term Care facilities. They have not been able to visit their family since mid March.

Is this "lock down" just going to go on forever?

 

[Rocco]

I am trying to figure out people who have parents, spouses, in Long Term Care facilities. They have not been able to visit their family since mid March.

Is this "lock down" just going to go on forever?

Imagine people who have had family members pass away in these long term care facilities, with no family there because they weren't allowed in. I'm not saying it could have been different, but it would be unsettling to me to have to live with that.

 

[SouthAussie]

Imagine people who have had family members pass away in these long term care facilities, with no family there because they weren't allowed in. I'm not saying it could have been different, but it would be unsettling to me to have to live with that.

I read a heartbreaking account from a nurse recently ... who implemented a facetime call (on her own phone) between a near-death Covid patient and the patient's family, so they could say goodbye. She said that she has done this more than once ... and it breaks her heart every time.

 

[SouthAussie]

Sweden in deep economic crisis despite soft lockdown, as per capita deaths rise

Marten Bjellerup, chief economist at the debt office in Stockholm, said he thinks Sweden will fare “somewhat better” than others, but acknowledged “the difference is marginal.”

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For now, Sweden’s experiences suggest there might be few economic benefits to leaving an economy open during a pandemic.

An exact statistic I saw about this was that for the month of March, Sweden suffered a 25% loss in business while other countries experienced a 29% loss in business.

The article said that many Swedes were not going out shopping, despite the govt stance on keeping the economy open.

(Sorry, can't find the link at the moment.)

 

[musicaljoke]

Yep. If this killer was a 6'4" human, going all over the country, killing 90,000 people, the public would be on high alert and change their behavior dramatically. If we found out it was a group of 100 similar-looking killers, ditto. And so many resources would be mobilized. Police everywhere would be suiting up for warfare, basically. We'd have manhunts that make the mild shut-downs we see between states look like a walk in the park.

It's 3X the number of deaths from car accidents (roughly).

Indeed! 90,000 people have died in just the past 8 weeks, whereas the car accident numbers are for a full year.

 

[tresir2012]

They could, I suppose, bar his way into the factory. Lock the doors, lock the gate.

That would be a strange event. I guess they could also give the workers an opportunity to meet outdoors with the president. But would Ford want to allow possibly exposed workers to go back into the factory if they didn't go get tested?

Well, we live in interesting times.

Workers could turn their backs like the nurses did with the Belgium PM.

Coronavirus: medics turn backs on Belgium's prime minister in silent protest – video

Are they making ventilators at the Ford factory?

ETA I see they are. Just read Sundog's post.

 

[tresir2012]

With all due respect, you're wrong on all counts. There's a limit to how many surgeries a physician does a day. And after surgery is completed, they dictate post op orders and tend to other business before starting another surgery--- and they don't wear a mask while doing it. They do not stand there and perform one surgery after another with a mask on---for 6 hours---everyday. Yes, some last hours but it's not an everyday occurrence like some are suggesting children be subjected to in the wearing of masks everyday in school
Hygienists also do not stand there for 6 hours with a mask on. After they finish with one patient, they restock their supplies and clean their station in preparation for the next patient---and they don't wear a mask while doing it.
My source is the link YOU provided. Which stated: 'Keep in mind, you shouldn't be wearing these for prolonged periods anyways''

The very least they have to do is change their PPE and go thru all the wash scrub and gown up procedures. They would also have to clean up the operating theatre between surgeries. A minimum of a half hour I guess. I mentioned a paramedic I know who says they have to have a half hour cleaning break in between Covid trips to clean ambulance down and change their gear.

 

[Cool Cats]

May 20, 2020, 12:47 PM EDT

As more states reopen, Georgia defies predictions of coronavirus resurgence. What's the lesson for the rest of the country?

But now 26 days have passed since the state started to reopen — and that punishing new wave of infections has not materialized. In fact, according to a database maintained by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Georgia’s rolling seven-day average of new daily cases — an important metric that helps to balance out daily fluctuations in reporting — has fallen for three weeks in a row.

Georgia’s seven-day average of COVID-19 hospitalizations fell from 1,432 on May 4, to 1,239 on May 11, to 1,049 on May 18 — a three-week decline of 26.7 percent.

Those figures are undisputed — despite a clumsy effort by state officials to present the data in a way that made them look even better.

And they are a lot better than the experience in two other states that are moving to end lockdowns, Florida and Texas.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Sweden isn't doing that great.

Covid 19 coronavirus: Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita

 

[tresir2012]

My friend from ho chi minh
city doesn't understand why Americans have an issue with mask wearing. She lives in Las Vegas now, but everyone wore masks there. They did so willingly, mostly because the smog was so bad, if you wanted clean air, that was the only way you would get it outdoors some days. Since we can't see the virus we resist. What if we could see it??
Do you think some people would change their minds?


*the graph attached is very telling
IMO
Masks Save Lives - COVID-19

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The graph and the circles are interesting. Yet I notice China is in the "no mask" circled area which is weird.

 

[tresir2012]

Sweden isn't doing that great.

Covid 19 coronavirus: Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita

From the article. (Headline is a little misleading)

"However, Sweden has only had the highest death rate over the past week, with Belgium, Spain, Italy, the UK and France, still ahead over the entire course of the pandemic.

State epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, the spokesman for Sweden's outlier coronavirus strategy, dismissed the figures on Tuesday night, arguing that it was misleading to focus on the death toll over a single week.

"This is something we should look at when it's all over," he told the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper. "It is of course terrible that we have such a higher death toll at our elderly care homes, and there are lessons to be learned for those who work in these institutions."

 

[tresir2012]

With respect, it’s very clear to me that you are unaware of how surgical teams operate. They do surgeries all day. Not just one. Some last hours.

Dental hygienists likewise wear masks most of the entire day. No one is expected to keep them stapled to their faces but Healthcare professionals have and certainly do wear masks for most of their workday depending on who they are and what they do.

Finally, while I don’t know that it’s feasible to have little children wear a mask properly for hours at a time, there is zero evidence that states it does anything in anyway negatively to their brains. I cite my sources. Please cite yours.

I think face shields are the answer for kids. I bet they would love wearing these.

Cartoon NHS face shields sent to children's wards

Coronavirus: Brampton firm makes child-friendly visors

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Image copyrightJON STYNES DESIGNS
Image captionThe cartoon additions are designed to make children less fearful
A group of designers has produced cartoon-themed coronavirus face shields for use on children's hospital wards.

Jon Stynes Designs in Brampton, Cumbria is also making visors for care homes and ambulance staff in the county.

Great Ormond Street Hospital in London has requested supplies, the firm said.

"Over the years we have had so much from the NHS with my wife going through breast cancer, so it's a perfect opportunity to give back to these amazing people," Mr Stynes said.

The company, which normally designs and manufactures for theatres and exhibitions, said it was asked by the children's ward at Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary if it could make protective face shields that were less frightening for children.

More at link.


And these baby face shields.

These Babies Have Little Face Shields On To Protect Them From The Coronavirus

 

[tresir2012]

It's not really that unpopular of an opinion in my irl experience. jmo

I agree. Not that I am out and about much ITRW but looking at all that traffic in Cornwall and Devon there are loads of people who have had enough of being cooped up for 8 weeks.

 

[tresir2012]

Excellent analogy, Professor!

Just to add my two cents, what if the ruthless killer shows a tendency to attack only those without masks...

I guess that would be like accidents only happening if you didnt have a front bumper (fender) on your car.

 

[tresir2012]

No one ever said hcq it stops 100% of people from getting the virus (although it may in some cases). D'oh, "wisconsin woman" lol. They've said it may stop you from dying of it. I notice the article doesn't say how sick she supposedly got. And she's obviously recovered. I Really have no idea why people are trying to completely discount a common, cheap drug that has the potential to help thousands of people. Bizarre, imo.

It doesn't make sense to me either. If it killed people then there would be loads more evidence if it is so widely used IMO. All drugs have known side effects.

 

[tresir2012]

How Fox News viewers see hydroxychloroquine differently than the rest of America | YouGov

President Donald Trump has pushed hydroxychloroquine—normally used to treat malaria—as a promising treatment for COVID-19. In early April, he told Americans “There are some very strong, powerful signs” that the drug could potentially treat the coronavirus, adding at a later briefing that very ill patients should consider taking it because “What do you have to lose?” There are indications that complications from the drug can lead to cardiac arrest.

Despite the medical community's uncertainty, Fox News continues to mention hydroxychloroquine as a potential treatment. On Wednesday, after Dr. Anthony Fauci discussed how a different drug, remdesivir, could reduce the recovery time for those infected with COVID-19, Fox News’ Laura Ingraham said Fauci should “apply that same logic to hydroxychloroquine.”

More at link including chart.

 

[cody22]

West Texas Virus Report - Good morning to all..... We are all still alive and well here.... Please pass the coffee and yall all have a safe and fun day.......moo

 

[tresir2012]

West Texas Virus Report - Good morning to all..... We are all still alive and well here.... Please pass the coffee and yall all have a safe and fun day.......moo

Good to hear that Cody.

Schools info below.

Scientists divided over coronavirus risk to children if schools reopen

"Dr Alasdair Munro, a paediatric infectious disease expert at University Hospital Southampton, also favours an early return to school. To support the idea, he highlighted a key study carried out in the Italian town of Vò, where there was a major Covid-19 outbreak in February.

“The authorities tested more than 80% of the population and found 2.8% were positive to the coronavirus. Crucially, not one child under 10 was found to have been infected, and that remained the case when testing was repeated two weeks later. Yet quite a number of children were living in households with infected people.”

Other studies in Iceland, Norway and South Korea have also found very low rates of infected children in communities. However, these findings contrast with last week’s Office of National Statistics’ disclosure that in its testing of 10,000 individuals in the UK, it found “no evidence” of differences between age groups in the proportions of those testing positive. “That has thrown a bit of a spanner into the works,” admitted Munro.

In addition, there is the question of the amount of virus that a child might carry, which would indicate how easily he or she could go on to infect others. If children have lower viral loads than those typically carried by an adult, children would pose less of a risk in boosting infections rate."

More opinions at link.

 

[tresir2012]

Currently in the UK the discussion on the radio is regarding outdoor and indoor transmission and how the risk is less outdoors. They are discussing a Guardian article and citing a Chinese study. I will post the link when I find it.

Here's one link although not the exact one I am thinking about but interesting nonetheless. Possible link between pollution and transmission.

Coronavirus detected on particles of air pollution

Here's the link to the study.

Indoor transmission of SARS-CoV-2

"Background: By early April 2020, the COVID-19 pandemic had infected nearly one million people and had spread to nearly all countries worldwide. It is essential to understand where and how SARS-CoV-2 is transmitted. Methods: Case reports were extracted from the local Municipal Health Commissions of 320 prefectural cities (municipalities) in China, not including Hubei province, between 4 January and 11 February 2020. We identified all outbreaks involving three or more cases and reviewed the major characteristics of the enclosed spaces in which the outbreaks were reported and associated indoor environmental issues. Results: Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. Among the identified outbreaks, 53.8% involved three cases, 26.4% involved four cases, and only 1.6% involved ten or more cases. Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79.9%), followed by transport (108; 34.0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases. Conclusions: All identified outbreaks of three or more cases occurred in an indoor environment, which confirms that sharing indoor space is a major SARS-CoV-2 infection risk."

Only one outbreak in an outdoor environment !!!!!