Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #57

[SouthAussie]

I don't know much about the education system in Australia. Is there no provision for home schooling or is attendance at an institution compulsory?

School attendance is usually compulsory here, although there is home schooling in certain situations (eg. children living in remote outback locations).

There has been widespread home schooling during this outbreak ..... the teachers have provided online studies for their students.
Many schools have also been open, however, for those parents who still wanted to send their kids to school. (Except for a few weeks of school holidays around Easter time.)
Today there seems to be large/normal attendance at schools in many/most of our states. As things slowly return to 'normal'.

 

[LadyL]

Photo of the Day

Photo of the Day

1 day ago.
Note the wearing of masks, throughout the world.

#20

 

[mickey2942]

Good luck getting the majority of adults to wear a mask with that horrible example. Super negligent IMO.

Tell me about it. We were just at the store, wearing masks. And some kid walks by me, coughing up a lung...no mask, of course.

I avoid the store, and could care less. But my husband likes to get out and shop. At least he wears a mask.

 

[LadyL]

Drunk Peruvian mayor arrested for breaking lockdown and hiding in a coffin for Covid-19 victims

Mat Youkee
The Telegraph•May 20, 2020

The mayor of the Tantará district, in the province of Castrovirreyna, was detained by agents of the National Police for violating the curfew
Eyes screwed tight shut in the coffin, facemask still in place and presumably reeking of booze, a Peruvian mayor’s attempt to escape arrest by impersonating a corpse failed to deceive police officers.

Jaime Uriba Torres, mayor of the Andean town of Tantará, went out drinking with friends on Monday, breaking the country’s curfew and social distancing policies. When police were alerted to the situation, and fearing their night of pisco was about to turn sour, Uriba and several of his friends hid in coffins built for coronavirus victims.

Drunkenly believing that their subterfuge had worked, the men remained motionless in the coffins whilst the police snapped photos of them before taking them into custody.

Residents had previously decried Uriba’s leadership, pointing out that he had only spent 8 days in the town since the state of emergency was announced on 25 March. On May 9 he was called to attend a public meeting where he was accused of not taking the pandemic seriously.

The slapstick story is illustrative of the challenges Peru has faced in controlling the spread of the virus. Despite being the first country in South America to announce a formal – and strict – lockdown, new cases have continued to rise, hitting a record of 4046 on 15 May, six weeks after quarantine began.

continued at link.

wow what an example he sets!

 

[nhmemorymaker]

He really likes winding up the press, doesn't he. He makes me laugh though.

..................................................hmph.

 

[sallye818]

@zecats, I prob did not have COVID, but took two tests based on my symptoms...both came back Neg. But then I went to ER this week for what I thought may be a blood clot and the ER Dr. says the tests are not reliable and I prob did have it. He also felt this was the cause of the small clot.

But tick disease is a very good path to go if I can get thru this COVID/or noCOVID debaucle. Thank you so much for the suggestions!

 

[tresir2012]

I don’t know. I think they’re just trying to mitigate the risk as much as possible. But how do we know what wasn’t a factor in why the lockdown of care homes failed miserably if we don’t know why they failed?

Also, haven’t many care homes been successful at preventing the spread via lockdown? I mean the ones who had outbreaks wasn’t that mostly at the beginning of the lockdowns or in places where there wasn’t one?

No they have been unsuccessful in a lot of European Care homes. UK has had a high incidence of Covid and we know it wasn't taken in by relatives, as they have been locked down since mid March. So it was either staff or maintenance workers, or patients discharged from general hospitals back to the care homes taking Covid into the care home it seems. It has not been properly investigated so far, so we only know for sure it was not taken in by relatives IMO.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Wonder what the point of the article is? Is it to cast blame?

One could come from a mindset of blame, yes. One could also come from a mindset of learning important lessons in what not to do.

 

[TMAN2014]

I am enjoying the PHLove music COVID program tonight. It is all the famous Philly singers, like Patty LaBelle, The Geeter and Bobby Rydell, and a bunch of other DJ like figures. Good music. They are even playing some of that black Church gospel music.

 

[LadyL]

I am enjoying the PHLove music COVID program tonight. It is all the famous Philly singers, like Patty LaBelle, The Geeter and Bobby Rydell, and a bunch of other DJ like figures. Good music. They are even playing some of that black Church gospel music.

[bbm]

my fave

 

[tresir2012]

Wonder what the point of the article is? Is it to cast blame?

How could lockdown have begun as early as 1 March or even 8th March? WHO had not even declared a pandemic at that stage.

"The study, which focused on transmission in metropolitan areas, found that social distancing measures adopted throughout the nation after March 15 "effectively reduced rates of COVID-19 transmission."

The researchers estimated that had the measures been instituted just one week earlier that the U.S. may have avoided more than 700,000 confirmed cases of the virus and as many as 35,927 deaths that it caused.

The researchers also estimated that if lockdown measures were instituted as early as March 1, approximately 54,000 fewer people would have died by May 3."

 

[10ofRods]

I don’t know. I think they’re just trying to mitigate the risk as much as possible. But how do we know what wasn’t a factor in why the lockdown of care homes failed miserably if we don’t know why they failed?

Also, haven’t many care homes been successful at preventing the spread via lockdown? I mean the ones who had outbreaks wasn’t that mostly at the beginning of the lockdowns or in places where there wasn’t one?

UK and US, CV+ people in hospital were moved to care homes as much as possible, to free up beds in hospitals as CoVid ramped up. Not everywhere, but in New York, New Jersey and California:

‘Playing Russian Roulette’: Nursing Homes Told to Take the Infected

In UK, CV+ patients were also moved to care homes:

Care homes' soaring death rate blamed on 'reckless' order to take back Covid-19 patients

In Washington and UK, care home workers then transmitted the disease to more care homes (they were likely. mostly asymptomatic):

Agency staff were spreading Covid-19 between care homes, PHE found in April

Nursing home staff spread coronavirus to other facilities, CDC investigation finds

It's very important to remember these things and how this now endemic spread first started.

It helps to put school openings in question. Most care home workers are mothers of school age children. They work long hours, often at several care homes. Some of the dads work in those homes too (night shift). Any cryptic transmission of CoVid in schools will result in hundreds of asymptomatic but CV+ LVN's, medical attendants, caregivers (in homes and at people's own homes).

Many who work in the courts are parents as well. They will bring it, being asymptomatic, into courts where judges themselves will be one of the most vulnerable groups, but also elderly witnesses, plaintiffs and defendants.

This means it will inevitably move back into hospitals and care homes. It will move into the court system. Then the second wave will hit.

Having said all that, it's certainly the case that not all elderly people will die. They will just be very, very sick and our healthcare system will become astronomically overburdened and expensive. It will be hard to get non-CV patients all their proper care.

Many younger people will also be very sick, some on ventilators, and many with what look to be lifelong health issues.

If a place hasn't had a new case of CV for a couple of weeks, and if there are contact tracers available, it would make sense for parents to be told of the risks, and for parents who work in essential healthcare roles to be tested daily, which is possible.

PCR based testing, there is no other way right now. But that's not going to get put in place before August. It simply isn't going to happen and the legal issues surrounding such a plan take us into uncharted waters.

 

[Sundog]

Wonder what the point of the article is? Is it to cast blame?

The article also says that if the lockdown had occurred as early as March 1st, over 50,000 lives would have been saved. But on February 29th, Fauci was saying that he saw no immediate need for social distancing. So if the article is about casting blame, there is enough of it to go around, it appears.

 

[Sundog]

How could lockdown have begun as early as 1 March or even 8th March? WHO had not even declared a pandemic at that stage.

"The study, which focused on transmission in metropolitan areas, found that social distancing measures adopted throughout the nation after March 15 "effectively reduced rates of COVID-19 transmission."

The researchers estimated that had the measures been instituted just one week earlier that the U.S. may have avoided more than 700,000 confirmed cases of the virus and as many as 35,927 deaths that it caused.

The researchers also estimated that if lockdown measures were instituted as early as March 1, approximately 54,000 fewer people would have died by May 3."

It's looking back, and even Fauci on February 29th that he saw no immediate need for social distancing.

 

[CharlestonGal]

How could lockdown have begun as early as 1 March or even 8th March? WHO had not even declared a pandemic at that stage.

"The study, which focused on transmission in metropolitan areas, found that social distancing measures adopted throughout the nation after March 15 "effectively reduced rates of COVID-19 transmission."

The researchers estimated that had the measures been instituted just one week earlier that the U.S. may have avoided more than 700,000 confirmed cases of the virus and as many as 35,927 deaths that it caused.

The researchers also estimated that if lockdown measures were instituted as early as March 1, approximately 54,000 fewer people would have died by May 3."

Reason #473 for not listening to the WHO. Assistant to the President, Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy Peter Navarro and CDC officials began warning the White House in January. One would think the government would at least started the ball rolling at that point. Why was it necessary to wait for the word "pandemic" to emerge from the WHO when it was clearly evident long before then that a pandemic was indeed underway?

 

[Sundog]

Article says that 80% of COVID-19 deaths in Canada were of residents of senior facilities. Same problem as UK and US. And attributed to returning COVID-19 positive patients to long term care homes after leaving the hospital.

How shoring up hospitals for COVID-19 contributed to Canada’s long-term care crisis


ETA - in Canada

 

[Sundog]

Reason #473 for not listening to the WHO. Assistant to the President, Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy Peter Navarro and CDC officials began warning the White House in January. One would think the government would at least started the ball rolling at that point. Why was it necessary to wait for the word "pandemic" to emerge from the WHO when it was clearly evident long before then that a pandemic was indeed underway?

Even as late as February 29th, people like Tony Fauci were saying there was no immediate need for social distancing.

 

[katydid23]

How could lockdown have begun as early as 1 March or even 8th March? WHO had not even declared a pandemic at that stage.

"The study, which focused on transmission in metropolitan areas, found that social distancing measures adopted throughout the nation after March 15 "effectively reduced rates of COVID-19 transmission."

The researchers estimated that had the measures been instituted just one week earlier that the U.S. may have avoided more than 700,000 confirmed cases of the virus and as many as 35,927 deaths that it caused.

The researchers also estimated that if lockdown measures were instituted as early as March 1, approximately 54,000 fewer people would have died by May 3."

How does someone lockdown a nation with 335 million people when there is not a pandemic declared yet and there were very few known cases?

And when those who were supposed to know, like Dr Fauci, were still saying it was not a big threat to us?

 

[Sundog]

Governor of Ohio announced today that weddings of up to 300 people can resume starting June 1st, with social distancing put into effect. Wedding caterers said that if restaurants can open with social distancing, they can plan receptions with social distancing.

Note that weddings, funerals, and religious services were never shut down in Ohio, only required social distancing and that other Ohio Dept of Public Health guidelines be followed.

 

[ilovewings]

well, here we are in Southwest Florida, it is really
hot and our AC went out--had to call a tech to
come and fix it---hate that but have no choice-
so he arrives with no mask, so i quickly got him
a mask-- i am staying away from him and letting
my husband deal with him-- it freaks me out-
so when he leaves i will use alcohol to disinfect
every surface he touched--- so now he is vacuuming
out the drain-- if he has the virus we are dead

the fact is that air condtitioning spreads the virus- i have to
pray he doesnt have it--he could be an asymptomatic carrier