Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #57

[katydid23]

Reason #473 for not listening to the WHO. Assistant to the President, Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy Peter Navarro and CDC officials began warning the White House in January. One would think the government would at least started the ball rolling at that point. Why was it necessary to wait for the word "pandemic" to emerge from the WHO when it was clearly evident long before then that a pandemic was indeed underway?

Do these things count as starting the ball rolling?

[Also, in terms of the government, the House of representatives did absolutely NOTHING on this crisis. ZERO]

Jan. 6:

• Trump’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a travel notice on Wuhan, China, before any U.S. infection arose.

Jan. 17

• Trump’s CDC began enhanced screening for COVID-19 symptoms at three U.S. airports, in San Francisco, Los Angeles and New York's JFK. U.S. infections: Zero.

Jan. 20

• Trump’s CDC opened an emergency operations center after one U.S. COVID-19 patient was diagnosed.

Jan. 21

• Trump’s CDC expanded COVID-19 checks to airports in Chicago and Atlanta.

Jan. 29

• President Trump chaired his Coronavirus Task Force and unveiled its members.

Jan. 31

• One day after the World Health Organization declared COVID-19 a “Public Health Emergency of International Concern,” President Trump restricted travel from China. Former Vice President Joe Biden called this policy “hysterical xenophobia.” CDC began the first mandatory quarantines since the 1960s. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar declared “a public health emergency in the United States.”

Deroy Murdock: Coronavirus timeline – Trump acted early and energetically, don't buy Dems' criticisms

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Reason #473 for not listening to the WHO. Assistant to the President, Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy Peter Navarro and CDC officials began warning the White House in January. One would think the government would at least started the ball rolling at that point. Why was it necessary to wait for the word "pandemic" to emerge from the WHO when it was clearly evident long before then that a pandemic was indeed underway?

The White House did start the ball rolling. Remember the January 31st China ban? Some were having a melt-down about that. Likely the same ones that are saying something should have been done earlier. IMO

 

[LadyL]

well, here we are in Southwest Florida, it is really
hot and our AC went out--had to call a tech to
come and fix it---hate that but have no choice-
so he arrives with no mask, so i quickly got him
a mask-- i am staying away from him and letting
my husband deal with him-- it freaks me out-
so when he leaves i will use alcohol to disinfect
every surface he touched--- so now he is vacuuming
out the drain-- if he has the virus we are dead

how scary for you

 

[CSIDreamer]

How does someone lockdown a nation with 335 million people when there is not a pandemic declared yet and there were very few known cases?

And when those who were supposed to know, like Dr Fauci, were still saying it was not a big threat to us?

You don't. No one, NO ONE, had a crystal ball back then. Jmo

 

[CSIDreamer]

Dupe.

 

[Bravo]

Popping in to say hello and hope everyone is doing well. All good here. Weather is finally nice and warm so spending a ton of time outside. Be safe everyone.

 

[Trino]

Will this really work:

Minneapolis Mayor Frey orders people to wear masks inside stores, schools

 

[KALI]

Our catering business is and has been dead in the water. Normally I would be frantic with bookings right now. However, when renting a venue for a wedding or other gatherings, the space rent is usually per foot.
Is one to rent a stadium for a wedding with 300 people?
Then try to get them to not mingle?
Impossible.
Additionally for probably 80% of our catering jobs, people flew in from All over!
I just don't see that happening right now.
In all of California you're not to have more then 10 people at a gathering, even then, their all supposed to be family members.
Then everyone is supposed to be in elegant wear, yet all wearing a mask?
I just cannot picture how this would work out.
Usually people are sipping cocktails, eating appetizers and sharing pictures.
While still wearing masks? Craziness IMO.

Governor of Ohio announced today that weddings of up to 300 people can resume starting June 1st, with social distancing put into effect. Wedding caterers said that if restaurants can open with social distancing, they can plan receptions with social distancing.

Note that weddings, funerals, and religious services were never shut down in Ohio, only required social distancing and that other Ohio Dept of Public Health guidelines be followed.

 

[Barnabas]

My neighbors had another big birthday party outside all day today with a huge bounce house and about 20 kids jumping in it all day. No social distancing, no masks, and a bunch of kids from the apartments down the street wandered down and everyone joined in the fun. I will be so surprised if someone in that house doesn’t catch this virus.

 

[mickey2942]

Our catering business is and has been dead in the water. Normally I would be frantic with bookings right now. However, when renting a venue for a wedding or other gatherings, the space rent is usually per foot.
Is one to rent a stadium for a wedding with 300 people?
Then try to get them to not mingle?
Impossible.
Additionally for probably 80% of our catering jobs, people flew in from All over!
I just don't see that happening right now.
In all of California you're not to have more then 10 people at a gathering, even then, their all supposed to be family members.
Then everyone is supposed to be in elegant wear, yet all wearing a mask?
I just cannot picture how this would work out.
Usually people are sipping cocktails, eating appetizers and sharing pictures.
While still wearing masks? Craziness IMO.

I don't see how anyone can stay in the restaurant business now. The requirements here, are 50% or less of capacity.

 

[Gardener1850]

well, here we are in Southwest Florida, it is really
hot and our AC went out--had to call a tech to
come and fix it---hate that but have no choice-
so he arrives with no mask, so i quickly got him
a mask-- i am staying away from him and letting
my husband deal with him-- it freaks me out-
so when he leaves i will use alcohol to disinfect
every surface he touched--- so now he is vacuuming
out the drain-- if he has the virus we are dead

the fact is that air condtitioning spreads the virus- i have to
pray he doesnt have it--he could be an asymptomatic carrier

Oh dear. Well at least you had an extra mask and he complied with your request to put on a mask, right? If I have to call any service techs of any kind, I think I will ask on the phone if their employees will wear masks. My parents had their furnace go out in late March when few people had masks because they simply were not available and the lockdown was too new for the businesses to adjust. But the repairman that came out made a point to stay 6 feet or more away from them, as they had discussed it on the phone before his visit. He didn't touch anything except the furnace and they didn't get sick. I believe this virus would be a death sentence for them (and for me as well), so I totally understand your concerns.

If it's not too hot for your comfort, maybe you could leave the AC off for 24 hours once it's fixed? I believe the virus dies on metal surfaces quickly in heat. If it's very hot there I don't think you have anything to worry about and could wait just a few hours to turn it back on. You did all you could by having him put on a mask and keeping your distance while the repair was made. Praying for you to stay healthy.

 

[firebird]

I don't see how anyone can stay in the restaurant business now. The requirements here, are 50% or less of capacity.

Here, there are some restaurants that are not complying with the cdc "guidelines"at all -- they're not mandatory where I am afaik. And the ones that are complying are mostly doing so to the extent it's convenient. Absolutely zero customers are wearing masks, regardless of age. I've been to happy hour three times this week (yes, I know it's only Thursday lol). The places I've been to -- two of which have patios, were anywhere between 30% to 70% full. Which is not that much off normal for during the week. We're highly restuarant saturated. Tbh, we could stand to lose a few mediocre restaurants.

 

[KALI]

Excellent post. It's hard to focus on the facts whilst the news media is bombarding with their opinions.

Do these things count as starting the ball rolling?

[Also, in terms of the government, the House of representatives did absolutely NOTHING on this crisis. ZERO]

Jan. 6:

• Trump’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a travel notice on Wuhan, China, before any U.S. infection arose.

Jan. 17

• Trump’s CDC began enhanced screening for COVID-19 symptoms at three U.S. airports, in San Francisco, Los Angeles and New York's JFK. U.S. infections: Zero.

Jan. 20

• Trump’s CDC opened an emergency operations center after one U.S. COVID-19 patient was diagnosed.

Jan. 21

• Trump’s CDC expanded COVID-19 checks to airports in Chicago and Atlanta.

Jan. 29

• President Trump chaired his Coronavirus Task Force and unveiled its members.

Jan. 31

• One day after the World Health Organization declared COVID-19 a “Public Health Emergency of International Concern,” President Trump restricted travel from China. Former Vice President Joe Biden called this policy “hysterical xenophobia.” CDC began the first mandatory quarantines since the 1960s. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar declared “a public health emergency in the United States.”

Deroy Murdock: Coronavirus timeline – Trump acted early and energetically, don't buy Dems' criticisms

 

[KALI]

Same here. We are preparing to bail. Hopefully, sell the restaurant first. We'll see.

I don't see how anyone can stay in the restaurant business now. The requirements here, are 50% or less of capacity.

 

[KALI]

Right. We're not open yet, due to getting all ducks in a row.
I spoke tonight with a good friend who works for a competitor restaurant business.
She told me they opened today.
Without, the mandated requirements. All they did was move their tables further apart.
Sigh.

Here, there are some restaurants that are not complying with the cdc "guidelines"at all -- they're not mandatory where I am afaik. And the ones that are complying are mostly doing so to the extent it's convenient. Absolutely zero customers are wearing masks, regardless of age. I've been to happy hour three times this week (yes, I know it's only Thursday lol). The places I've been to -- two of which have patios, were anywhere between 30% to 70% full. Which is not that much off normal for during the week. We're highly restuarant saturated. Tbh, we could stand to lose a few mediocre restaurants.

 

[firebird]

Right. We're not open yet, due to getting all ducks in a row.
I spoke tonight with a good friend who works for a competitor restaurant business.
She told me they opened today.
Without, the mandated requirements. All they did was move their tables further apart.
Sigh.

So the competition, even in cali, is doing the absolute minimum?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I don't see how anyone can stay in the restaurant business now. The requirements here, are 50% or less of capacity.

The only way I seeing it working is if the business owner can cut costs by 50% or more. That's just not going to happen.

Even if we ignore the rising cost of food and the added cost of PPE I don't see how any business could survive for long in that kind of environment. JMO

 

[mickey2942]

Here, there are some restaurants that are not complying with the cdc "guidelines"at all -- they're not mandatory where I am afaik. And the ones that are complying are mostly doing so to the extent it's convenient. Absolutely zero customers are wearing masks, regardless of age. I've been to happy hour three times this week (yes, I know it's only Thursday lol). The places I've been to -- two of which have patios, were anywhere between 30% to 70% full. Which is not that much off normal for during the week. We're highly restuarant saturated. Tbh, we could stand to lose a few mediocre restaurants.

WTH? People can belly up to the bar, buddy/buddy. And storm troopers bust into churches to measure people, to make sure everyone is 6 feet apart.

The world has gone insane, every week it is something else.

 

[firebird]

WTH? People can belly up to the bar, buddy/buddy. And storm troopers bust into churches to measure people, to make sure everyone is 6 feet apart.

The world has gone insane, every week it is something else.

Yep. Most every place I've been in my state it's like none of this is happening. At most, you'll get a hostess or a server in a mask. Most places, not. That's why it's so strange to me that people in other places are losing their minds over this. I have a bff in PA. She's the nicest most non-confrontational person in the world, and even she's had it up to her eyeballs.

 

[firebird]

The only way I seeing it working is if the business owner can cut costs by 50% or more. That's just not going to happen.

Even if we ignore the rising cost of food and the added cost of PPE I don't see how any business could survive for long in that kind of environment. JMO

I have a colleague who also is a partner in a very successful bunch (7'ish) of restaurants in my area. He laughs at the idea that any restaurant can make it at the occupancy the CDC is recommending. So far, they haven't gone under. But they're very well established and very popular. We'll see, though. I see him almost every day, so I'll ask him how things are going as they re-open.