Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #58

[Deleted member 158085]

Advise please! We've been invited to our son and fiancee's for a cook out tomorrow. We could see our grandson, granddaughter and 2 soon to be grandsons who we haven't seen since late January. Fiancee's parents invited too who we haven't met yet. It would be outdoors with plenty of space for social distancing. Everyone there has followed strict guidelines for social distancing and masking, washing hands etc. I want to go soooo bad! We can take our own plates, utensils and pop. What do you think?

When I read this this morning, I wasn’t sure what I thought. I still am not. However, I want to relate something that happened this afternoon because it speaks to how unpredictable people can be.

I was mowing. My BIL was driving by and decided to stop. I should have grabbed a mask out of the house, but I just sat on my mower, thinking he would tell me something quickly and leave. But no, he got out of his truck, no mask, and stood about 7 feet away just chatting.

And then he coughed. Not into the elbow or even a hand. I got off the mower and jumped back a few feet.

So just remember, unpredictable things can happen and suddenly you are in a situation you wish you weren’t in. I’m not saying don’t go. But just realize it may end up causing more anxiety.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

US is approaching 16,000 new cases today and it's only 5 pm. I guess it's better than the 30,000+ per day we were wracking up. But still. Depressing.

Your 'low' death figure (Sunday rate) went up slightly last week from 750 to 865 which was an unexpected trend, so let's hope it drops back down again by the end of today. Keep your chin up, things can only get better, right?

 

[tmar]

China warns US pushing relations to 'brink of new Cold War'

China warns US pushing relations to 'brink of new Cold War'

AFP
7 hrs ago
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The United States is pushing relations with China to "the brink of a new Cold War", China's foreign minster said Sunday, rejecting US "lies" over the coronavirus while saying Beijing was open to an international effort to find its source.

Keeping up the worsening war of words with Washington over the pandemic and a Beijing move to tighten control over Hong Kong, Wang Yi said the United States had been infected by a "political virus" compelling figures there to continually attack China.
"It has come to our attention that some political forces in the US are taking China-US relations hostage and pushing our two countries to the brink of a new Cold War," Wang told reporters during a press conference at China's week-long annual parliamentary session.
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[tmar]

Jair Bolsonaro branded a 'killer' for hot dog trip as Covid-19 death toll soars

Jair Bolsonaro branded a 'killer' for hot dog trip as Covid-19 death toll soars

Tom Phillips in Rio de Janeiro
3 hrs ago
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Bolsonaro, a rightwing populist who basks in comparisons to Donald Trump, has repeatedly flouted health ministry physical distancing guidelines – and continued to do so this weekend, even as Brazil’s coronavirus death toll rose to over 22,000.

More than 347,000 infections have been confirmed in Brazil – the second highest number in the world after the US.

According to local media reports, Bolsonaro went out on to the streets of the capital, Brasília, on Saturday for a can of coke and a hot dog.
Polls suggest Bolsonaro still enjoys the backing of a third of Brazilians – and some local supporters celebrated Bolsonaro’s outing by shouting his nickname “Mito” (legend). But in a reflection of rising public anger, footage shared on social media showed others banging pots and pans in protest.

 

[tmar]

Wuhan lab had three live bat coronaviruses: Chinese state media

Wuhan lab had three live bat coronaviruses: Chinese state media

AFP
8 hrs ago
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The Chinese virology institute in the city where COVID-19 first emerged has three live strains of bat coronavirus on-site, but none match the new contagion wreaking chaos across the world, its director has said.

Scientists think COVID-19 -- which first emerged in Wuhan and has killed some 340,000 people worldwide -- originated in bats and could have been transmitted to people via another mammal.

But the director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology told state broadcaster CGTN that claims made by US President Donald Trump and others the virus could have leaked from the facility were "pure fabrication".
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In an interview with Scientific American, Shi said the SARS-CoV-2 genome sequence did not match any of the bat coronaviruses her laboratory had previously collected and studied.

 

[tresir2012]

Coronavirus updates as they happened: Johnson says Dominic Cummings acted responsibly - BBC News

Just posting this link to some charts released in the UK update today. I see Cagney has posted the figures for UK deaths from CV19 which were 118. Not sure how that was arrived at after the released figures earlier but the cumulative is 36,793.
118 is the lowest daily figure for two months so the downward trend is continuing.

This one?

'Droves' of New Yorkers are looking to flee the city permanently | Daily Mail Online

Thanks. Planning to leave is a little different to already left though. The couple mentioned are moving to NJ, which I thought was as bad for CV19 as NY. NY is like London, people are always on the move there.

 

[tmar]

Sweden 'wrong' not to shut down, says former state epidemiologist

Sweden 'wrong' not to shut down, says former state epidemiologist

Richard Orange
7 hrs ago
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The predecessor of Sweden’s state epidemiologist has broken her silence on the country’s controversial coronavirus strategy, saying she now believes the authorities should have put in place tougher restrictions in the early stages of the pandemic to bring the virus under control.

Annika Linde, who oversaw Sweden’s response to swine flu and Sars as state epidemiologist from 2005 to 2013, had until now expressed support for her country’s approach under her successor, Anders Tegnell.
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But she has now become the first member of the public health establishment to break ranks, saying she has changed her mind as a result of Sweden’s relatively high death toll compared with that of its neighbours, Denmark, Norway, and Finland.
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For two days last week Sweden had the highest per capita death rate in the world on a seven-day rolling average, and the overall death toll is expected to pass 4,000 this weekend.

Per capita death rates in Denmark, Finland and Norway, which all put in place far-reaching lockdowns, are now, respectively, four, seven and nine times lower than that of Sweden.

“The fact that it was compared too much to influenza epidemics could have made us make the wrong assumptions in the beginning,” she said. “We could have maybe had another development had we been, for example, more aware of the risk of spread from asymptomatic individuals.”

 

[jjenny]

Your 'low' death figure (Sunday rate) went up slightly last week from 750 to 865 which was an unexpected trend, so let's hope it drops back down again by the end of today. Keep your chin up, things can only get better, right?

How are they going to get better? People think because lock down has ended, things are back to normal. They are congregating and not social distancing in many cases. So things are going to get worse.

 

[Tony1902]

We have many drive-thru restaurants here. I don’t get down from the car, and I make MrTony do the shopping. I’m 71 with an auto-immune disorder (Ménière’s.) he’s 75 and hand-washes, masks and wears gloves. We have isolated for 8 weeks. The longest he’s had to go without practicing medicine. I take 5,000 units of Vit D every day, but I’m considering doing what my British grandmother in the Caribbean did: G&T, lime, chipped ice. Maybe I can deal with the raccoons in a calmer fashion.

 

[LadyL]

Several tickets issued at crowded Toronto park after people spotted urinating, defecating in driveways, backyards

Several tickets issued at crowded Toronto park after people spotted urinating, defecating in driveways, backyards

 

[tmar]

Mystery as Kawasaki-like illness linked to coronavirus now affecting people in 20s


Mystery as Kawasaki-like illness linked to coronavirus now affecting people in 20s

Anna MacSwan
5 hrs ago
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A severe Kawasaki-like illness which has affected children during the coronavirus pandemic is now being reported in young adults.

Doctors in the US say several patients in their 20s are in hospital with the life-threatening inflammatory condition, Washington Post reports.

A 20-year-old is being treated in San Diego, California, while several young adults are being cared for in New York City.

Worryingly, it appears that in teens and young adults, the mysterious syndrome leads to a more "overwhelming" response affecting the heart and other organs.
Dr Jennifer Lighter, a specialist in paediatric infectious disease at New York University's Langone hospital, says that while younger children tend to suffer symptoms that look like traditional Kawasaki, older patients "have had a more severe course".

Doctors have now reported seeing children with the illness - known as paediatric inflammatory multi-system syndrome (PIMS) - in the UK, US, France, Italy, Spain and Switzerland.
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The Mirror last week reported on the tragic death of eight-month-old Alexander Parsons, from Plymouth, in his mother's arms after being struck down with the condition.

New York City alone has recorded 147 children with the condition, a number which has increased despite a drop in coronavirus cases.

The link between the PIMS - which appears to cause fever, rashes and shock or low blood pressure - and Covid-19 remains unclear.
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The cases have raised fears that the coronavirus could pose a greater risk to young people than previously thought.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

How are they going to get better? People think because lock down has ended, things are back to normal. They are congregating and not social distancing in many cases. So things are going to get worse.

But hopefully never again will it be as bad as at the peak.

 

[LadyL]

After 3 Children Die, a Race to Investigate a Baffling Virus Syndrome

 

[tresir2012]

How are they going to get better? People think because lock down has ended, things are back to normal. They are congregating and not social distancing in many cases. So things are going to get worse.

There are 24 states where the R value has increased, that is true but the rest must be getting better surely?

 

[jjenny]

There are 24 states where the R value has increased, that is true but the rest must be getting better surely?

Even if they were getting better, now that people act as if everything back to normal, I don't see how it can continue to get better.

 

[tresir2012]

Several tickets issued at crowded Toronto park after people spotted urinating, defecating in driveways, backyards

Several tickets issued at crowded Toronto park after people spotted urinating, defecating in driveways, backyards

WTH can be done about that? Crowds and crowds of people.

 

[CharlestonGal]

How are they going to get better? People think because lock down has ended, things are back to normal. They are congregating and not social distancing in many cases. So things are going to get worse.

There is nothing to be done about it. People are going to do whatever they want. It makes me miss the military sometimes with our "no man left behind" philosophy. We looked out for each other.

All we can really do at this point is keep our distance from those undisciplined people who refuse to mask or social distance and the people gathering in crowds. They seem to either not know or not care that they are endangering other people.

 

[tresir2012]

Even if they were getting better, now that people act as if everything back to normal, I don't see how it can continue to get better.

Well if they continue to gather in crowds everywhere like idiots at a pop concert, I don't know what can be done. That's not normal is it? Send them back to work and school.

 

[tmar]

Several tickets issued at crowded Toronto park after people spotted urinating, defecating in driveways, backyards

Several tickets issued at crowded Toronto park after people spotted urinating, defecating in driveways, backyards

YUK !!!!!

 

[firebird]

"The economic devastation wrought by the pandemic could ultimately kill more people than the virus itself

The economic devastation the pandemic wreaks on the ultra-poor could ultimately kill more people than the virus itself.

The United Nations predicts that a global recession will reverse a three-decade trend in rising living standards and plunge as many as 420 million people into extreme poverty, defined as earning less than $2 a day.

As for the 734 million people already there, the economic tsunami will make it harder for them to ever climb out."

The economic devastation wrought by the pandemic could ultimately kill more people than the virus itself