Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #58

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  • #981
True, but in some other professions, one might not need maximum level of protection. If, for example, I knew I was only going to have a 10 minute conversation with someone who is themselves masked (say, the receptionist at my dentist - which will be my next venture out).

I am having such a hard time with the N95 as outlined above, that I'm thinking a cloth mask + shield would give me about the same protection. Or even a surgical mask with the big droplet blue on the outside plus the shield (and of course, a neck gaiter).

Which reminds me. Do I ask my dentist whether they've all been tested and how often they test - or not? They are great people, I don't want to insult them. But they texted me and said I could make an appointment again. It's not urgent. So I think I"ll wait...and revisit all of this.

If I had to be in the classroom, I'd wear an N95 PLUS a faceshield (and gloves) and a lab coat and act like I was a weird anthropologist from Outer Space.
My dentist texted me too - to confirm a June 1st appointment. I was surprised to hear from them at all, let alone through a text. And I'm supposed to text back to confirm or text STOP.

I'm not sure I want to go there yet - it's for a 6-month checkup. I will call and see if there is someone to speak directly to about what their SOP are at the current time.
 
  • #982
I see your point, my concern is some of the elderly I interacted with at the beginning of this (Feb and into March) had no idea there was anything out of the ordinary going on.
Whether not taking it seriously or just not informed they just seemed unaware.
My coworkers parents and my own mom
watched the news but didn’t really comprehend what was coming. Many of our older shoppers didnt understand why we couldn’t get products any longer and would demand we provide them lol.
Even now my very informed mom will listen to my advice because the news is so overwhelming and confusing. Some of her friends call her upset only about not being able to get their hairdone or why the donut shop is closed, they’re inconvenienced but may have no one to explain how and why they need to be careful. These are the people I want protected.
Of course. The srs I’m talking about appear to be super on the ball and independent. They’re mostly formerly and currently very successful business people and their spouses, and they live and get around 100% on their own. They’re not out with family members and are not frail for the most part. Some obviously have age-related limitations, but they give no indication that their mental faculties or “worldliness,” if you will, are significantly diminished. For me, I’m happy to see them out and about enjoying life in their well-earned golden years because, Imo, there is no significant threat to them here. To me, the saddest part of this is people who’ve lived their whole long spectacular lives suffering and/or dying in isolation. Jmo
 
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  • #984
I will be going to the orthodontist on June 1st.
It is an immaculate facility. The receptionist that called me reassured me that they disinfect and sanitize all day long. Minimum number of patients, PPE, UV lights, temp checks, testing, everything they can possibly do medically to keep their clientele safe.
I can't wait. Invisalign for my molar grinding that put everything out of whack.
 
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  • #986
Report from the ground-

South of Worcester MA and Northern CT. Massachusetts has been hit hard but this area not so much other than nursing homes. Been playing golf and had a few social events the last few days. Interacted with about 25 friends over the last week. Some of the cast-

Small business owners
Waitresses
Surgical nurse
Caterer
HVAC hospital (COVID work)
Merchandiser
Marketing
Restaurant manager
Teachers

Mostly 40-60 year olds, few older. This is an age where people have elderly parents. Most people not working full-time now, but I don't think there have been significant financial hardships.

While I distanced without a mask, there was little to no distancing otherwise. It is a huggy group, and they generally hugged when meeting, including the guys at golf. Obviously I picked their brains as to what they were feeling. Mostly everyone had little to no fear of CV-19, felt the shutdown was a gross overreach, and only a couple people even knew of someone that had been infected. Not a lot of concern of spreading the virus, I got the feeling that they felt the vulnerable should be taking precautions and the virus would do what it does with the rest. Overall, they did not buy what the nightly news was telling them.

I was pretty surprised, but I would say these people are done with the shutdown. I'm pretty sure it is the same everywhere else, other than the hardest hit areas where people have seen the effect first hand.

Just an observation.
 
  • #987
While people might think they are done with shutdown and the virus, virus isn't done with them. 60 year olds are themselves in a vulnerable group, so not sure who they think are the vulnerable ones that should be taking precautions. This kind of behavior is virtually guaranteed to lead to an increase in a number of infections. Hot weather might slow it down, but only so much. It's not going to stop it from spreading.
 
  • #988
You're Getting Used to Masks. Will You Wear a Face Shield?

May 25, 2020, 8:04 AM EDT
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Perencevich is an infectious disease physician at the University of Iowa and the Iowa City Veterans Affairs Health Care System. In an opinion article published last month in JAMA, he and two colleagues argued that simple, clear plastic face shields could help reduce the transmission of infections when added to public health measures like increased testing, contact tracing, social distancing and hand hygiene.

Perencevich believes that face shields should be the preferred personal protective equipment of everyone for the same reason that health care workers use them: They protect the entire face, including the eyes, and prevent people from touching their faces or inadvertently exposing themselves to the coronavirus.

I want to order some face shields for myself and DH and there are a lot of choices on amazon.com. Does anyone recommend a certain brand for quality? I see that some of them have been made for dental offices, and would like to buy some that would be a good quality, so that we can wash them and keep them for awhile, maybe buy a pack of six or so. Any suggestions as to brands to look at would be appreciated.
 
  • #989
I want to order some face shields for myself and DH and there are a lot of choices on amazon.com. Does anyone recommend a certain brand for quality? I see that some of them have been made for dental offices, and would like to buy some that would be a good quality, so that we can wash them and keep them for awhile, maybe buy a pack of six or so. Any suggestions as to brands to look at would be appreciated.

Amazon to mass-produce face shields, make available at-cost online for frontline workers and general customers amid COVID-19 pandemic

Amazon to mass-produce face shields, make available at-cost online for frontline workers and general customers amid COVID-19 pandemic

By ABC 7 Chicago Digital Team
Thursday, May 14, 2020
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Amazon announced Thursday it will mass-produce face shields and list them at-cost on its website.

The company hopes to make hundreds of thousands available over the next few weeks and said it will list them at a "significantly lower price," almost a third of the cost. It will also prioritize frontline workers.
 
  • #990
While people might think they are done with shutdown and the virus, virus isn't done with them. 60 year olds are themselves in a vulnerable group, so not sure who they think are the vulnerable ones that should be taking precautions. This kind of behavior is virtually guaranteed to lead to an increase in a number of infections. Hot weather might slow it down, but only so much. It's not going to stop it from spreading.
The figures speak for themselves re the over 70s, it's very clear they are vulnerable isnt it?

My mother was a head teacher (principal?) before she retired and my dad had his own business. They're intelligent, well informed and I hope have many healthy years ahead of them.

I saw a docu on the bbc last week, a fly on the wall in a Covid ward in London. A lovely old fella, v successful businessman, was filmed. They'd had a dinner party and a guest with no symptoms had affected him. He was alone in this ward, not able to see family, for weeks. Struggling to breathe. That's what my mum is really afraid of. Ending up in that situation. All because they went ahead and had a non-essential dinner party! Miraculously he pulled through, beating all the odds according to the docs.

My parents can wait it out longer if needed. It just makes me mad that IMO if people are not sensible it will lengthen their isolation.

Time will tell :(.
 
  • #991
Of course. The srs I’m talking about appear to be super on the ball and independent. They’re mostly formerly and currently very successful business people and their spouses, and they live and get around 100% on their own. They’re not out with family members and are not frail for the most part. Some obviously have age-related limitations, but they give no indication that their mental faculties or “worldliness,” if you will, are significantly diminished. For me, I’m happy to see them out and about enjoying life in their well-earned golden years because, Imo, there is no significant threat to them here. To me, the saddest part of this is people who’ve lived their whole long spectacular lives suffering and/or dying in isolation. Jmo

My husband and I are very independent seniors. Our financial success has absolutely nothing to do with Covid-19. We're not out with family members because our family members fear for our health because of our age and also because my husband, otherwise in excellent health, has high blood pressure. We're in isolation because that is our family's choice. You have no right to question it.

To me, the saddest part of Covid-19 is those who don't respect the choices made by others and think it is a'ok to infect others. That's why we are staying at home.

JMO
 
  • #992
dixiegirl1035 said:
Yesterday I was in tears though.

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and as some have suggested - MORE Flowers out front! And the idea of Pink Flamingos!! LOL!

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Oh and once you're finished with your cook, cook, cook... make some cookies & leave those in your front yard with all your flowers!
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And in my country, Latvia:

Two more cases of COVID-19 detected in Latvia

No more fatalities were recorded.

The new figure was released by the Disease Prevention and Control Center (SPKC) which said 721 tests had been conducted during the previous 24-hour period.

In total 99,770 tests have been carried out since February 29.
[.....]
27 patients are in hospital, most of whom have moderate symptoms of the disease but 2 of whom are designated as being in a serious condition.

So far 22 deaths of patients with coronavirus have been recorded and 712 patients have recovered from infection.



another article on our restrictions that will be lifted on June 1.

Latvian Saeima supports reducing restrictions adopted for state of emergency

The order of the Cabinet of Ministers provides for permitting indoor and outdoor gathering for no more than 25 simultaneous participants. The time limit for indoor gathering is three hours. On top of that, organizers of events have to provide participants with disinfection means. Additionally, culture, entertainment, sports and other leisure venues are allowed to open up no earlier than 07:00 and close doors no later than 24:00. On weekends and holidays shopping centres and all stores therein are allowed to work, the Saeima reminds.

The shopping centres were all closed on the weekends except for the grocery stores that are there.
 
  • #993
These 24 States Have Uncontrolled Coronavirus Outbreaks, Study Says

These 24 States Have Uncontrolled Coronavirus Outbreaks, Study Says

Alek Korab
16 hrs ago
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A shocking new report estimates that 24 states have an uncontrolled COVID-19 spread, right as the country considers reopening. "While we are confident that some states have controlled transmission, we are similarly confident that many states have not," the researchers, from Imperial College of London, wrote. They based their data on the number of people that might get infected by a single patient who has coronavirus. "Most states in the Midwest and the South have rates of transmission that suggest the epidemic is not yet under control." (They note that their study has not yet been peer-reviewed.) Click through the slideshow above for the 24 states that still haven't contained their coronavirus outbreaks, according to researchers.
 
  • #994
Thanks. There are 41 cases in my zip. I don’t see the total population or a death count by zip though.

You're right
Only number of cases
 
  • #995
We most definitely do need N95 masks and a reputable source that isn’t charging $35+ each to purchase them from. If government and hospital buyers are getting ripped off, how are we supposed to judge what is a scam.
I have to go to grocery store tomorrow. Dreading it. Have been getting veggies from a great place that delivers “imperfects” for a fair price and tried curbside at local grocery chain for other items but man my order was, shall I say, not good. Buying for 2 households so I’ll probably have to make 2 trips. Where’s my beer...
You will be fine. There is usually good measures in place at stores, I have found, so I shop regularly now. Got TP yesterday for first time since March. (I had enough in house - I haven't been going without it all that time :-) )
 
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  • #997
The people won’t be calming down any time soon if the states don’t back up. Time for plan b governor. Jmo

Ballot box is the answer, not hanging effigies like some dictatorship. MOO
 
  • #998
ITA. I wouldn't call them stupid but rather selfish. Actions do have consequences. Always.

JMO
It looks like the majority were young so if it goes thru them, as the herd, and they avoid seeing their very elderly relatives, I am hoping that may work, plus being in the open air would be less risk for any elderly happening to be in the park at the time.
 
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  • #1,000
Of course. The srs I’m talking about appear to be super on the ball and independent. They’re mostly formerly and currently very successful business people and their spouses, and they live and get around 100% on their own. They’re not out with family members and are not frail for the most part. Some obviously have age-related limitations, but they give no indication that their mental faculties or “worldliness,” if you will, are significantly diminished. For me, I’m happy to see them out and about enjoying life in their well-earned golden years because, Imo, there is no significant threat to them here. To me, the saddest part of this is people who’ve lived their whole long spectacular lives suffering and/or dying in isolation. Jmo
Completely agree. Those deaths in care homes could so have been avoided IMO.
 
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