Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #60

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Ya know, as a restaurant here in California, we have been in lock down, then semi-lock down for almost 4 months.
We are still required to only use 50% of our business for our customers.
Our beautiful restaurant's entrance is plastered with WARNING signs regarding the danger of entering our business as well as the amazing sanitation and protective measures we supply our customers, so that they might feel safe to eat here.
Yet, for nearly two weeks, we have watched hundreds of thousands of people ignore ALL of our California government requirements, to run loose in the streets, blocking our highways and taking over our cities, yelling at the top of their lungs, with full approval from the same leaders who told us not to leave our houses two weeks ago.
We honestly don't know what to do.
 
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We honestly don't know what to do.

When the proverbial sh*t hits the fan in about 3-4 weeks with our hospitals in all of these major cities with protests and riots overflowing with covid patients, I cannot even fathom the same government officials trying to lock things down again. I just don’t see the average American cooperating again given the blatant disregard for all precautions in the last 8-10 days.

I think we will just be in for a very bumpy ride as we deal with the fallout and get a glimpse of what it’s like to have many more very sick people than we do medical resources and professionals to care for them properly. We absolutely will have additional deaths that wouldn’t have happened if we had been able to continue slowing the spread of this virus.

Alas, that ship sailed, and there’s no going back now. By the time people realize how bad this will be, it will be far too late to do anything about it. It really already is too late.

Hopefully the effects of herd immunity will be as we wish and that can be the silver lining to what’s coming our way.
 
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Shopping returns in Ireland, New Zealand eradicates virus and global death toll passes 400,000: Today's Covid-19 main points

Ireland

TODAY IS ANOTHER big day in this country’s journey through the Covid-19 pandemic.

With non-essential retail shops closed across the country for the past 10 weeks, they are reopening today as part of Phase 2 of the government’s roadmap.

The new phase is an accelerated version of the plan as originally announced at the beginning of last month, with Taoiseach Leo Varadkar declaring it as ‘Phase Two Plus’.

Today’s Covid-19 main points
Ireland

 
  • #105
Virus could mean boom or bust for Montana State this fall

This is interesting. And if I was a parent, looking at colleges for a graduating HS senior, I would definitely be giving colleges in Montana a look.
1. Very low Coronavirus rates
2. Zero to none civil unrest
3. Good value
4. Easy airline access to hubs

I think that Montana higher education may benefit from a lot of what has been going on. Montana is a safe, secure bubble from the rest of the country right now.

Maybe new protests though. FROM Montanans saying "GO HOME"
 
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Latest on COVID-19 in MN: Death toll rises to 1,186 as testing again exceeds 10K

“Minnesota saw another 388 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Sunday’s report, bringing the overall total to 27,886 — with nearly 3,000 of those cases among health-care workers.”

Our poor healthcare workers. All these mass gatherings is so unfair and disrespectful to them, JMO.

My friend who IS a health worker and who IS on the front lines feels the same way and said the same thing, “thanks guys”.

We need more national attention to honor the healthcare workers. I just feel that the PTSD is going to be horrendous. I agree with many, that there false security and underestimation in "its all over".... but at the end of each day, these health care workers are still working terribly long hours, are exhauted and are dying for us. Cuomo is pretty good with staying on message...but I think all governors and people in the press, and the WH admin should be going overboard with our collective appreciation for these folks.
 
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Hi everyone :)

I've been reading all along, every single day. I know I don't say much. I'm the same way in person.

Want you guys to know that I feel all of your worries and pains and I'm sending hugs and positive thoughts to all.

It's been a rough week for me. Maybe that's why I'm posting. Probably is.

I totally know that things could be so much worse, so on top of everything else I'm feeling, I feel like I shouldn't feel the way I do.

My grandpa passed away earlier this week. He lived a long, good life. He was in a care home. He was blind. My mom was able to visit him once a week during his last weeks. She had to gear up in all the PPE. The care home did a great job. He didn't die from the virus, but somehow I feel like it was the cause. He went downhill fast when he wasn't able to have contact with family and friends (not blaming the care center...they did the right thing. They had positive cases in the home from both residents and care givers so they had to)

Just needed to write this all out.

Hugs to all.

That must have been heartbreaking, Shelby. A Huge loss to you. It is so clear to me that everyone's emotions are raw and even scarred. Little things can bring one down. And big things, like the loss of a grandpa, can bring you down..... and we continue to live in the world of unknowns. I know two young women who have lost their grandpas.... they think about it every single day.....
 
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Former FDA commissioner sees ‘a lot of risk’ of 2nd coronavirus wave
Former FDA commissioner sees 'a lot of risk' of 2nd coronavirus wave
June 7, 2020

Former FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb says that coronavirus infections may have spread undetected during the last week of nationwide protests over police brutality, potentially exacerbating the anticipated second wave of new Covid-19 cases that could hit this summer or early fall.

Gottlieb, an appointee of President Donald Trump who ran the FDA from 2017-2019, warned that because these public demonstrations tend to include large numbers of young people, many of whom are more likely to appear asymptomatic even if contagious, those exposed to the coronavirus at a protest could have no idea.

“That increases the risk that you have asymptomatic spread within those gatherings,” Gottlieb told the Yahoo News “Skullduggery” podcast.

He cautioned against developing a false sense of security in outdoor areas and said protesters should seek “high-quality masks” while practicing social distancing as much as possible — even in crowds.
[snip]

“That’s a lot of risk to be taking into the fall for a second wave, and that’s what I worry about — that we never really crushed the infection, we have this slow burn through the summer, and it sets us up for a very difficult fall COVID/flu season,” Gottlieb said.
[snip]
BBM & SBM
 
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Former FDA commissioner sees ‘a lot of risk’ of 2nd coronavirus wave
Former FDA commissioner sees 'a lot of risk' of 2nd coronavirus wave
June 7, 2020

Former FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb says that coronavirus infections may have spread undetected during the last week of nationwide protests over police brutality, potentially exacerbating the anticipated second wave of new Covid-19 cases that could hit this summer or early fall.

Gottlieb, an appointee of President Donald Trump who ran the FDA from 2017-2019, warned that because these public demonstrations tend to include large numbers of young people, many of whom are more likely to appear asymptomatic even if contagious, those exposed to the coronavirus at a protest could have no idea.

“That increases the risk that you have asymptomatic spread within those gatherings,” Gottlieb told the Yahoo News “Skullduggery” podcast.

He cautioned against developing a false sense of security in outdoor areas and said protesters should seek “high-quality masks” while practicing social distancing as much as possible — even in crowds.
[snip]

“That’s a lot of risk to be taking into the fall for a second wave, and that’s what I worry about — that we never really crushed the infection, we have this slow burn through the summer, and it sets us up for a very difficult fall COVID/flu season,” Gottlieb said.
[snip]
BBM & SBM

I'm no longer sure we're going to have a slow burn during the summer after this.

I'm just praying those few comments the virus might be weakening are true.

Jmo
 
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Coronavirus: London reports no deaths of people with COVID-19 in 24 hours

No deaths of people with coronavirus have been reported in London hospitals in the last 24 hours, NHS England says.

A small number of deaths did occur, but will be announced in the coming days.

Deaths were highest in the Midlands and the north of England, where there were 14 deaths in the North West, 11 in the North East and Yorkshire, and 16 in the Midlands.

In the South West, two deaths were recorded, while there were seven deaths in the South East and nine in the East.

A further 55 people in the UK are reported to have died with coronavirus, according to Department of Health figures for a 24-hour period up to 5pm on Sunday.

This takes the total number of deaths with a positive test in all settings - including care homes - to 40,597.

However, the actual figure is believed to be more than 50,000 as many people are believed to have died with the virus in the community without being tested.
 
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CDC fail. I am developing a standardized protocol/procedure for office sanitation, regarding client contact. And infection control for environmental surfaces.

This is hardly rocket science. And every one should follow the same process. So, logically, one would think that the website for the CDC would have a nice PDF file on this process, with information about what cleaning items to use.

Wrong. I guess that people should just make up whatever process they want, using whatever cleaning products they want.
 
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CDC fail. I am developing a standardized protocol/procedure for office sanitation, regarding client contact. And infection control for environmental surfaces.

This is hardly rocket science. And every one should follow the same process. So, logically, one would think that the website for the CDC would have a nice PDF file on this process, with information about what cleaning items to use.

Wrong. I guess that people should just make up whatever process they want, using whatever cleaning products they want.
I don't think CDC wants to put a file out, because you can't actually buy disinfectants that will work (clorox or lysol), since they have disappeared for the most part. They can't put a file out saying use this or that, when public have no way of purchasing this or that.
 
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I don't think CDC wants to put a file out, because you can't actually buy disinfectants that will work (clorox or lysol), since they have disappeared for the most part. They can't put a file out saying use this or that, when public have no way of purchasing this or that.

There are lots of products available. I am currently using "Sani Cloths", used for disinfection of viruses, industrial strength. This stuff isn't sold at the store. It is specific for clinics, hospitals.

Anyway, I checked Joint Commission. I will go with the protocol for disinfection of dental facilities. That should be fairly similar.
 
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CDC fail. I am developing a standardized protocol/procedure for office sanitation, regarding client contact. And infection control for environmental surfaces.

This is hardly rocket science. And every one should follow the same process. So, logically, one would think that the website for the CDC would have a nice PDF file on this process, with information about what cleaning items to use.

Wrong. I guess that people should just make up whatever process they want, using whatever cleaning products they want.

Do they have protocol for medical offices? If they do you could just use that
 
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Just spotted this on Twitter from @compoundchem about how antibody tests work


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And from the same source as above

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Below is expert from Open Letter from 100s of Public Health officials in letter from link in this article:

Therefore, we propose the following guidance to support public health:
● Support local and state governments in upholding the right to protest and allow protesters to gather.
● Do not disband protests under the guise of maintaining public health for COVID-19 restrictions.
● Advocate that protesters not be arrested or held in confined spaces, including jails or police vans, which
are some of the highest-risk areas for COVID-19 transmission.
● Oppose any use of tear gas, smoke, or other respiratory irritants, which could increase risk for COVID-
19 by making the respiratory tract more susceptible to infection, exacerbating existing inflammation,
and inducing coughing.
● Demand that law enforcement officials also respect infection prevention recommendations by
maintaining distance from protesters and wearing masks.
● Reject messaging that face coverings are motivated by concealment and instead celebrate face
coverings as protective of the public’s health in the context of COVID-19.
● Prepare for an increased number of infections in the days following a protest. Provide increased access
to testing and care for people in the affected communities, especially when they or their family
members put themselves at risk by attending protests.
● Support the health of protesters by encouraging the following:
○ Use of face coverings.
○ Distance of at least 6 feet between protesters, where possible.
○ Demonstrating consistently alongside close contacts and moving together as a group, rather
than extensively intermingling with multiple groups.
○ Staying at home when sick, and using other platforms to oppose racism for high-risk individuals,
and those unable or uncomfortable to attend in person.

● Encourage allies who may wish to facilitate safe demonstrations through the following:
○ Providing masks, hand-washing stations, or hand sanitizer to demonstrators.
○ Providing eye protection, such as face shields or goggles, for protection against COVID-19 and
chemical irritants used to disperse crowds.
○ Bringing wrapped, single-serving food or beverages to sustain people protesting.
○ Providing chalk markings or other designations to encourage appropriate distancing between
protesters.
○ Supplying ropes, which can be knotted at 6-foot intervals, to allow people to march together
while maintaining spacing.
○ Donating to bail funds for protesters
● Listen, and prioritize the needs of Black people as expressed by Black voices.
These are strategies for harm reduction.

I don’t mean to offend, but who are these hundreds of health officials...because as we use to say around here, a lot of that info seems hinky to me...considering the Covid crisis over there only...

My post has no racial bias whatsoever purely a community health concern...
 
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