Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #60

[10ofRods]

Governor Cuomo was just on CNN. He does not sound very concerned with New York. He feels they have it under control, and will continue to maintain as such.

He was Extremely concerned about the country as a whole. Says the haphazard way the re-openings were done, resulted in the mess we're in right now. He sees worse things ahead.

We watch webcams and store cams in NYC (mostly Manhattan but some other boroughs as well).

They are still taking this seriously. Places that would be pretty crowded tonight (like Times Square) are virtually empty. The Staten Island Ferry is running at half capacity but there appear to be fewer people than that (I think they are still limiting ferry passengers, not sure, not sure we have any NYCers regularly on this forum).

At any rate, the Google analytics for New York do show more general activity, but not at the big peppy pace of, say, California or Florida. Cases do not seem to be going up, nor are hospitalizations. But with about 20% of the city holding immunity and so much staying home, that's not surprising.

 

[tresir2012]

Governor Cuomo was just on CNN. He does not sound very concerned with New York. He feels they have it under control, and will continue to maintain as such.

He was Extremely concerned about the country as a whole. Says the haphazard way the re-openings were done, resulted in the mess we're in right now. He sees worse things ahead.

I have been following the New York figures as they have been on a similar trajectory to the UK and we are both very much on a downward path now so I agree with him about NY.

 

[gngr~snap]

I know of a couple who went from Georgia to Canada, knowing full well they would be required to quarantine in a hotel for 14days. They are on day 4 or 5. It sure doesn't sound fun. They have a nice view of water and a bridge...
I'm not sure if they traveled for his work or for a vacation- maybe to visit family?
As each day passes here in Georgia, I am feeling more and more like my son's September 19th wedding isn't going to happen. He and his fiance will be crushed. I tried to advise them to delay it in May. They refused to discuss it.
Maybe it will be allowed? I believe there are about 200 guests invited, I highly doubt that many will show up.
98 days...
Moo

 

[tresir2012]

That's why there will be a second wave. It's really that simple. The weird thing is that we know ahead of time and it's still "Onward Ho!"

Well then it isn't eradicated if we have the second wave. Where does the second wave actually come from?

 

[tmar]

Risk of new lockdowns rises with fear of second COVID-19 wave


Risk of new lockdowns rises with fear of second COVID-19 wave

By Kate Kelland and Francesco Guarascio
5 hrs ago
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LONDON/BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Fears of a second wave of COVID-19 infections shut six major food markets in Beijing on Friday, while India, which opened up this week, recorded a record daily increase and half a dozen U.S. states said their hospital beds were filling up fast.

Health officials worldwide have expressed concerns in recent days that some countries grappling with the devastating economic impact of lockdowns may lift restrictions too swiftly, and that the coronavirus could spread during mass anti-racism protests.
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Of 5,347 new deaths recorded worldwide, 3,681 were in the Americas, the WHO said on Thursday.

In about half a dozen U.S. states including Texas and Arizona, the number of coronavirus patients filling hospital beds is rising, fanning concerns that the reopening of the U.S. economy may unleash a second wave of infections. Alabama, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Oregon and Nebraska all had a record number of new cases on Thursday.
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The United States has now recorded more than 113,000 coronavirus deaths, by far the most in the world. That figure could be over 200,000 by September, Ashish Jha, the head of Harvard's Global Health Institute, told CNN.

 

[Midgie2]

And my daughters wedding is planned for October 3rd in SC. I don’t see how this will take place.

 

[tmar]

Even in a group of entirely healthy young people, only 60% of those infected with coronavirus developed antibodies

Even in a group of entirely healthy young people, only 60% of those infected with coronavirus developed antibodies

Aylin Woodward
6 hrs ago
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• A severe coronavirus outbreak hit the USS Theodore Roosevelt, a Navy aircraft carrier stationed in the Pacific, in late March and April.
• Nearly one-quarter of the carrier's 4,800-person crew was infected.
• A new study shows that one in every five infected sailors showed no symptoms, and just 60% of those infected developed coronavirus antibodies.
• The researchers also found that sailors who wore face masks, avoided common areas, and practiced social distancing were less likely to become infected.

 

[gngr~snap]

Well then it isn't eradicated if we have the second wave. Where does the second wave actually come from?

I dont know either. Maybe because of the Spanish Flu, but in 1918 travel was slow and by boat. I am not sure the same principles would apply today as we travel so much, even within our own borders.
Time will tell, I see ot more as ebbs and flows as people get less concerned, start using masks less, participate in mass protests OR decide on their own the virus is "gone".
To each his own!
Look at how it is spreading right now without children in school.
Fall and Winter are going to be an absolute nightmare!!! IMO
I don't see areas "closing" down again. Unless they decide on thier own due to fear that they need to hunker down.
Moo

 

[jjenny]

I hope you are right, but why have we been told about this so called second wave? Both Korea and China have had a mini resurgence so we have to expect that. I don't believe we will lockdown again though.

China got down their number of infections close to zero. While here in US, even after lockdown, we have millions infected. It only stands to reason, as restrictions are listed, cases will go up (and they are already going up in many states).

 

[SoCalDavidS]

China got down their number of infections close to zero. While here in US, even after lockdown, we have millions infected. It only stands to reason, as restrictions are listed, cases will go up (and they are already going up in many states).

Back in March, I said that we needed to press STOP on activity Worldwide for at least 2 Months. That would have halted the virus spread in it's tracks. That ship sailed a long time ago, and there's no going back now.

 

[10ofRods]

We can still eradicate it. As long as that's the goal and folks buy into it, it can be done, and fairly quickly too. Of the 13 provinces and territories in Canada, half managed to eradicate it completely, and 3 of the remainder have only a single new case today. Ontario and Quebec are cleaning up more slowly. If we stay focused, we can put this behind us and then freely open up the economy, schools, parks, etc.

We've been fortunate to have some good economic support throughout this period, which has helped. Also, our health care system is publicly funded, so all of us have an invested interest in cleaning this up quickly.
Tracking every case of COVID-19 in Canada

This is great news! That's actually really hopeful (I'm thinking we could maybe get it under control in California in the same way. You all held your per million rate to 212 (U.S. is at 347 and rising faster than your number).

 

[10ofRods]

Back in March, I said that we needed to press STOP on activity Worldwide for at least 2 Months. That would have halted the virus spread in it's tracks. That ship sailed a long time ago, and there's no going back now.

Well, I do think many nations (Italy, Spain, France, Belgium, many others) are viewing public health as a kind of knowledgeable throttle. Everyone is holding their breath, because no one knows exactly what's going to happen. If my county or SoCal in general is typical, if the rate is too high at the onset of reopening, it will rise very quickly and people will naturally go back to shelter (most of them).

Counties will mandate masks again, if it gets too bad. In the meantime, everyone who stays home, stays home. But trust me, there's no way that parents are going to be forced to send their children to schools with CoVid. Those schools will be shut down. So yes, there is "going back" on some things.

It's going to be okay - I trust our local leaders to handle this with about a 50% confidence level (IOW, some places will go ahead and risk their kids and refuse to shut down - but I think there may well be a statewide mandate at some point, since...our schools in California aren't funded locally).

 

[Bravo]

So many important events cancelled or on hold. So heartbreaking. If I may butt in and say thanks to you fine folks saying such lovely words to us Canadians. So this eve we took a drive around to check out bar and restaurant patios allowed to open today with protocols. We were shocked. Tables were not distanced. Folks were laughing, talking, swilling beers, standing around chatting. Not one single person wore a mask or maintained any distance. Oh I lied-the wait staff had masks. So we took note and those we tried so hard to support with healthy take-out or gift cards will never get our dam business

 

[jjenny]

Oregon pauses reopening.
"Oregon Gov. Kate Brown has put a temporary pause on all further reopening efforts in the state after it saw the most new cases of the coronavirus in a single day since the start of the pandemic."
Oregon Pauses Reopening As Coronavirus Cases Rise

 

[Bravo]

Where will we be a year from now

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Where will we be a year from now

Rocking in a corner and living off pot noodles, if this doesn't end soon.

 

[anneg]

UCLA has a mixed plan, announced about a month ago. They will try to give enough online options that students who wish to avoid contact can get their schedules. However, in programs of study where online classes are not possible (nursing, etc) they will be real world, with as much social distancing as possible. They will also offer a full range of real world classes across their curriculum, but avoiding large intro lecture classes (they'll be half to third size - which is actually quite a great opportunity).

No word on how students are to manage the residential situation, but I would assume they will make all sleeping quarters solo. That will likely change the off campus housing market considerably.

Do you think UCSB will be the same? Our grandson told us that the fall quarter would be a "blended" format similar to what you describe but I don't see an announcement on the UCSB website about it. He lives off campus.

 

[Bravo]

Rocking in a corner and living off pot noodles, if this doesn't end soon.

Some days it's all so hard to wrap your head around.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Where will we be a year from now

A year from now, it's safe to assume we'll at least have some treatments available, that will hopefully minimize complications for many. And of course, ideally, there will be a Vaccine, that is at least to the point of becoming readily accessible to people around the world. And if not that, at least a vaccine which might have complications, but is still effective in the most serious of cases, as a viable option of last resort. Obviously the closer it becomes to being similar to the annual "Flu," in terms of the # of worst cases, the more it won't be a burden and issue that people are constantly worried about.

 

[Bravo]

I hope so SoCal. I think I will go to sleep for a year