Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #60

[Bravo]

Rocking in a corner and living off pot noodles, if this doesn't end soon.

Yeah but you and I were going to meet in Italy and have food and wine remember? sigh.......

 

[CSIDreamer]

I'm not trying to influence your behavior, btw. I didn't post to influence any one person's behavior. I posted because it is an accurate video.

I'm posting about how CoVid spreads and what happens when ONE asymptomatic person goes about life as it is normal. You can make all your own personal decisions, but you can still get CoVid by going to a less crowded indoor space - you can't know who is contagious, it's impossible.

We all then define how we want to roll the dice - you get to roll 'em as you see it. If you had a genetic factor that made it almost certain you'd die of CoVid if you got it, perhaps you would fold and go home (mixed gambling metaphor there, sorry).

Maybe you are already high risk (I don't know) and you've decided to live your life however you wish. But for those of us who are higher risk and who don't want to die as this pandemic peaks from now until the end of the year, the video and the concepts in it are very useful.

It is a good video. I'm not discounting the video at all. I'm also not going to say the protests are less dangerous. Otherwise, there's no need to caution protestors to get tested. That's just my point. Overall, they are in tight packed groups. Jmo

 

[tresir2012]

China got down their number of infections close to zero. While here in US, even after lockdown, we have millions infected. It only stands to reason, as restrictions are listed, cases will go up (and they are already going up in many states).

I don't think anyone believes the China figures. I don't.

 

[10ofRods]

It is a good video. I'm not discounting the video at all. I'm also not going to say the protests are less dangerous. Otherwise, there's no need to caution protestors to get tested. That's just my point. Overall, they are in tight packed groups. Jmo

Absolutely. And if you're a student of history, you can go back and see how closely civil unrest and broad reform issues correlate with pandemics. That's why some places repress them so thoroughly, using methods that many Americans would find horrific.

There's no doubt in my mind, sadly, that in about 10 days, maybe less, we'll see some bumps in cases - hopefully just in the young, more able-to-survive. Death rates will probably reflect that. CDC data should show that younger people are getting CV19, but they should die at a lesser rate.

Meanwhile, all the people who stayed home hoping to go back soon - they're upset and angry. Older people who are selling their houses to move out of the city or retiring abruptly and moving to the most low-COLA place...they are actively avoiding the former group.

Major social change. Post-CoVid economy is going to be a horse of a different color.

 

[10ofRods]

I don't think anyone believes the China figures. I don't.

Lots of people believe them.

You may not, but Johns Hopkins University and Oxford University scholars do. And, I'm guessing, the CIA and the US Military do (as they've published interesting stuff about it). Don't know if your equivalent military and satellite services have mentioned any of it.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

We watch webcams and store cams in NYC (mostly Manhattan but some other boroughs as well).

They are still taking this seriously. Places that would be pretty crowded tonight (like Times Square) are virtually empty. The Staten Island Ferry is running at half capacity but there appear to be fewer people than that (I think they are still limiting ferry passengers, not sure, not sure we have any NYCers regularly on this forum).

At any rate, the Google analytics for New York do show more general activity, but not at the big peppy pace of, say, California or Florida. Cases do not seem to be going up, nor are hospitalizations. But with about 20% of the city holding immunity and so much staying home, that's not surprising.

Can you link me to this so I can check it out?

 

[tresir2012]

Lots of people believe them.

You may not, but Johns Hopkins University and Oxford University scholars do. And, I'm guessing, the CIA and the US Military do (as they've published interesting stuff about it). Don't know if your equivalent military and satellite services have mentioned any of it.

Can you link to where they state that?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Yeah but you and I were going to meet in Italy and have food and wine remember? sigh.......

You can come to my corner and bring your own fork instead

 

[tresir2012]

Brazil overtakes UK with world's second-highest Covid-19 death toll

Brazil now has second highest death figure to the US at 41,901 a daily rise of 843.

UK pushed down to third place with 41,481 a daily rise of 402.

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Coronavirus outbreak

Brazil overtakes UK with world's second-highest Covid-19 death toll
Tally published by coalition of news outlets compiling stats since Brazil’s health ministry was accused of seeking to conceal figures

Tom Phillips in Rio de Janeiro
Published onFri 12 Jun 2020 22.56 BST
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Brazil has overtaken Britain as the country with the world’s second-highest Covid-19 death toll after a further 843 deaths pushed its total to 41,901.

The tally was published on Friday night by a coalition of news outlets which has been compiling independent statistics since Brazil’s health ministry was accused of seeking to conceal the full figures last week.



Brazil condemned to historic tragedy by Bolsonaro's virus response – top doctor
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According to the British government 41,481 lives have been lost in the UK since late January although the number rises to more than 50,000when suspected cases are included. Brazil’s death toll is also considered an underestimate.

More at link.

 

[nightowl1975]

I heard some newscaster today say something about the heat minimizing the virus - I am almost screaming at the TV- I was in Florida for the winter plus two months and I can tell you the heat does not stop Covid or minimize it and anyone that says differently is full of it. It has been really hot and humid in Florida since the beginning of May

What if the heat IS slowing the spread and we will see much faster/easier transmission when it gets cold? That’s an alarming thought.

 

[mickey2942]

Right now, I miss my Great Grandmother. She died when she was 103. She was in her 30's during the Pandemic in 1918. I wish so much to be able to talk to her about it. What happened? How did everything get better?

And remember, after the Pandemic, there was the Great Depression about 10 years later.

My Great grandmother always had an immaculate home. Very minimalist. No clutter. No debt. Every thing they bought, was with cash.

I wonder if the Pandemic she lived through changed her. Too bad we just don't have those folks around.

 

[KALI]

Got my hair "done" today.
I did ask that he not blow dry and "do" it. Just low lights to get rid of the sun burn blonde, shape and trim.
So, left with wet hair to shave off time.
Everyone had on masks. I sat outside instead of in the shop, while the darkener did it's job.
Watched workers sterilize the seats and hair washing bowls after each usage.
About 50% of normal occupancy.
This was the longest time I've been in a closed air conditioned room outside my home since late February.
Took nearly two hours. I do wish that they had the doors open.
However, nobody coughed or sneezed. So, there is that.
I really hate all of this.
People aren't smiling, chatting etc. Anywhere. I really miss the casual social interactions.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

The Virus Will Win

 

[MimosaMornings]

I know of a couple who went from Georgia to Canada, knowing full well they would be required to quarantine in a hotel for 14days. They are on day 4 or 5. It sure doesn't sound fun. They have a nice view of water and a bridge...
I'm not sure if they traveled for his work or for a vacation- maybe to visit family?
As each day passes here in Georgia, I am feeling more and more like my son's September 19th wedding isn't going to happen. He and his fiance will be crushed. I tried to advise them to delay it in May. They refused to discuss it.
Maybe it will be allowed? I believe there are about 200 guests invited, I highly doubt that many will show up.
98 days...
Moo

Can they have the wedding outdoors?
They can still have a wedding, perhaps they will understand a smaller group would be better? Have they discussed with the caterer how food would be handled?
I think I would rather make changes now and be prepared versus waiting. It must be hard for them to comprehend how much things have changed with CV amongst us.
JMO

 

[abanddb123]

GM declines request to shut down plant as cases of coronavirus grow, union says i hope this link works. This plant is close to where i live. What do you guys think?

 

[SoCalDavidS]

GM declines request to shut down plant as cases of coronavirus grow, union says i hope this link works. This plant is close to where i live. What do you guys think?

I think the low wage factory line workers are going to be very susceptible to becoming infected with the virus. The high paid Executives, in their private offices, responsible for keeping the plants open, will be fine though.

 

[Woodland]

Yes, they are (and I"ll post the US data below here). Things are getting better. Per capita rates tell a different story than total cases and a drop off in cases

The U.S. is set to overtake the Netherlands in the next week in a contest no one should want to win. UK will hopefully never catch up to Belgium. If we backed New York out of the US statistics, the US wouldn't be on the first page of that chart, but if we back the figures of London out of UK, UK will drop to about the place the US is in.

Still, things are getting better.

Gradually and only for a short time. But let's be grateful for that - and hope that our per capita rates climb very slowly.

Those of us living in states where it's getting worse, conversely, are feeling mopey and depressed. Those of us who fear that when schools reopen, there will be widespread panic when kids get sick (even if it's just 1-2 per school, in the U.S., lots of places the parents are going to be upset, justifiably IMO).

Unsure what it means to say 'if we backed New York out of the US statistics' or 'back the figures of London out of the UK', other than to say this is how to change the true data.

Also unsure how 'things are getting better' goes with 'gradually and only for a short time'.

This is from Dr Fauci earlier today - he's concerned about the rise in hospitalizations -

This is from Reuters yesterday - deaths in the US are on track to reach 200,00 by Sept 2020, doubling the current number -

 

[gngr~snap]

Can they have the wedding outdoors?
They can still have a wedding, perhaps they will understand a smaller group would be better? Have they discussed with the caterer how food would be handled?
I think I would rather make changes now and be prepared versus waiting. It must be hard for them to comprehend how much things have changed with CV amongst us.
JMO

It is scheduled outdoors @5:30pm with dinner following.
The property I believe is 200 acres.
I just dont think the place is going to be operational. It's all inclusive, so everything but clothes, comes from them. I don't see this place taking the risk.
Who knows? It all makes me sad and anxious!
Moo

*** They bought a home in January 2019 and had a son in February 2019, so IF they have to wait, they can...
They have already paid for the venue around 12K-
^not something I would have recommended! It's not my life so...
Moo

 

[Kensie]

I am sick of this virus. My state is increasing like crazy in cases. I am afraid to go anyplace. I am lucky to be able to work from home but it is having its drawbacks. I don't want to complain too much since I still have a job. I was one that always cared about my appearance and my appearance is in the gutter. I keep telling myself that I am extremely lucky because I still have a job. I do miss my work place. I have a very strong work ethic and my spouse doesn't so it is hard to work from home. I hate complaining because I have a job but my spouse is making it hard for me to work. At the same time, I don't want to go back to the office because I am terrified. No good answers. 2020 has stunk so far this year.

When is it going to get better???

 

[Kensie]

Unsure what it means to say 'if we backed New York out of the US statistics' or 'back the figures of London out of the UK', other than to say this is how to change the true data.

Also unsure how 'things are getting better' goes with 'gradually and only for a short time'.

This is from Dr Fauci earlier today - he's concerned about the rise in hospitalizations -

This is from Reuters yesterday - deaths in the US are on track to reach 200,00 by Sept 2020, doubling the current number -

this is really depressing and beyond scary. Did the lockdown do any good, probably yes, but getting out for some part is not good. Are we confined to our homes ???

My state AL:
Some states hit pause, others press on amid spike in virus