Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #60

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I suppose that's one reason. The real reason is so that the surface of the chicken (which is swabbed) will be free of pathogens. It does nothing to remove other contaminants deeper in the chicken parts. Since chickens sometimes have other kinds of infections, the bleach just makes it possible for the authorities to say it passes. It could still have salmonella (we have more outbreaks of it than any other industrialized nation), and it certainly could still have other contaminants.

I don't eat it. We haven't eaten it in years, and I think one reason that someone in my broader circle of family and friends gets some form of food borne illness fairly regularly (daughter is recovering from a bout 3 weeks ago). Anyway, the stats you read about the US having more food borne illness are true. As a result, many people overcook all their food, especially chicken. Maybe that's why we like KFC, at least the deep frying kills most things. But it sure isn't healthy to do it that way.

Not all our chicken is chlorinated, so many of us do not buy that kind of chicken. Some grocery chains ban it, as well (Whole Foods, Sprouts, Trader Joe's, last time I checked).

What's crazy is that the US is demanding that UK not be allowed to label chicken as coming from the US in the first place.
I eat a lot of chicken and turkey. As long as it is cooked properly it kills any salmonella, virus.or other germs.
 
  • #743
lol where I live, the average wedding is around $60k

I eloped and we had a small party in our backyard later on, and even that cost us $10k
Lol...when I was rather young, I had to pay for my entire wedding by myself. I paid 35$ for a thrift store gown and invited everybody for potluck on my wedding day....all right, no more off topic for me. :)
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  • #744
According to these articles and a few more, there are Americans crossing the currently closed Canadian southern border saying they are driving to Alaska - a loophole.

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The Canada-U.S. border is closed, but Americans are still coming through. Here's how.

They are not quarantining as per directives - they are vacationing in various tourist spots not on the way to Alaska. In one instance an American couple confesses to a waitress in Banff that they lied in order to get across.

Someone asked yesterday on this thread how Americans are acting irresponsibly.
Wouldn't it be pretty easy to spot these loopholers by their registration numbers and report them?
 
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We have been invited to a small outdoor gathering tomorrow afternoon. There will be 6 or 7 adults and we will be in one couple's back patio/yard. Social distancing will be observed. DH and I will wear masks, and I hope everyone else will, too. We will take our own beverages/snacks.

This is our first in-person social event since the shutdown. Even though I feel that it will be safe, I'm still a little worried.
We have been invited to a small outdoor gathering tomorrow afternoon. There will be 6 or 7 adults and we will be in one couple's back patio/yard. Social distancing will be observed. DH and I will wear masks, and I hope everyone else will, too. We will take our own beverages/snacks.

This is our first in-person social event since the shutdown. Even though I feel that it will be safe, I'm still a little worried.
I think your worry is a good thing. It will keep you on your toes. If everyone practices the guidelines that you plan to follow, it sounds safe-ish to me. I hope you have a nice time. It's good to be among friends.
 
  • #747
I think your worry is a good thing. It will keep you on your toes. If everyone practices the guidelines that you plan to follow, it sounds safe-ish to me. I hope you have a nice time. It's good to be among friends.
I second this. Have a lovely time @anneg and just maintain distance
 
  • #748
We have been invited to a small outdoor gathering tomorrow afternoon. There will be 6 or 7 adults and we will be in one couple's back patio/yard. Social distancing will be observed. DH and I will wear masks, and I hope everyone else will, too. We will take our own beverages/snacks.

This is our first in-person social event since the shutdown. Even though I feel that it will be safe, I'm still a little worried.
Sounds like a good starting point! I would have to be close to my house so I could run home to use the bathroom. I hope everyone wears masks.
 
  • #749
We have been invited to a small outdoor gathering tomorrow afternoon. There will be 6 or 7 adults and we will be in one couple's back patio/yard. Social distancing will be observed. DH and I will wear masks, and I hope everyone else will, too. We will take our own beverages/snacks.

This is our first in-person social event since the shutdown. Even though I feel that it will be safe, I'm still a little worried.

I have a small bottle of hand sanitizer in my purse. Just remember you'll be touching your mask when you pull it down to eat or drink. So will everyone else (and I predict people will leave their masks down quite a bit as they eat and drink). Hand sanitizer is a good habit for situations like this.

Hopefully everyone will have a sense of humor about this "new normal," which we all hope is temporary.
 
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I eat a lot of chicken and turkey. As long as it is cooked properly it kills any salmonella, virus.or other germs.

You should be fine. The fact that the same US chicken is given antibiotics is another reason I don't buy it. UK permits antibiotics in farming, but many studies show that our levels (especially in the Eastern US where there are no safe distancing rules for chickens) are much higher.

I've never gotten sick from chicken cooked at home. But I do want to avoid the antibiotic issue.
 
  • #752
Wouldn't it be pretty easy to spot these loopholers by their registration numbers and report them?

That part is in one of the links as having happened. Maybe the point was missed?
 
  • #753
I talked to a good friend with whom I hadn’t spoken in a while.

She is a brilliant person and very highly educated college professor.

She told me she thinks this is all a “conspiracy designed to control people”.

I quickly steered the conversation because I’ve already banged heads with enough of my friends.

I don’t understand though how even highly educated people just will not accept this virus at face value, and give it the respect it needs so we can overcome it.

She also complained about wearing a mask and how this is a violation of her rights.

I just don’t get it.
 
  • #754
Like I said in a prior post, this virus is polarizing by its very nature: 80% of the people who get infected either have no symptoms or their symptoms are mild. This virus has an affinity for people with a weakened immune system, which includes the elderly. So what has happened is the 80% are like, I am going to live normally, no problem: i am not going to sacrifice my normal life for those who get very sick or may die. There are always exceptions - some very fit young people have contracted the virus- most recover, a few have passed away. So those of us who are in that 20% have to remain as vigilant as we can---there is another element to all of this: politics: masks have become a political issue: it is absurd but true.

Excellent summary and so true. We who have to worry are in the minority.

Since, so far, this virus hasn't really swept through the under 20 set in many nations, we're relying on the Italian, Chinese and Spanish data. Israeli data is great and quite complete. It would seem that 40% of children under 12 may not be susceptible to CoVid and there is now research to confirm that number and explain why.

By 12, children are more susceptible (probably androgens), and by 20, young people appear to be infected at the same rate (and therefore transmitting). People of all ages appear to be equally infectious (capable of transmitting).

High school teachers have to be a bit worried. The outcome for under 20's is much better, too (although as we all know, a single death of a child within a state or region is going to cause strong reactions in many parents). Kids who are not vaccinated are at much higher risk (MMR seems to be protective, but the immune challenges of vaccinations in general seem to be one reason the young have better outcomes). The decade of the 20's is pretty good too. Morbidity starts to increase in the 30's and about 30% of Americans in that demographic have one or more underlying conditions.

I don't think that a .04% mortality rate (4 in 10,000; 1 in 2500) is going to cause most of these people to change their behavior. But, if every large high school gets 1 death after a CV outbreak, I do think people will pause and take stock.

(We don't know the actual case mortality rate - if everyone eventually gets CoVid). It's 1% for people 60 and over. 3% for 75 and over, approximate. 5% or higher for the over 85 group.

About half of people with symptomatic CoVid will have months of ill health and some will have lifelong issues (especially those with the unresolved Ground Glass Opacities in their lungs or heart damage). I can't even imagine the eventual costs of all this.
 
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You should be fine. The fact that the same US chicken is given antibiotics is another reason I don't buy it. UK permits antibiotics in farming, but many studies show that our levels (especially in the Eastern US where there are no safe distancing rules for chickens) are much higher.

I've never gotten sick from chicken cooked at home. But I do want to avoid the antibiotic issue.
Although permitted, some UK supermarkets ban it. This article shows which UK supermarkets ban routine antibiotics.

UK: Which supermarkets routinely use antibiotics in their meat production?

antibiotics policy.



The results
According to the Alliance, Waitrose has taken action on nearly all of the areas outlined in its questions. They have banned the routine preventative use, restricted the use of the critically important antibiotics and have publicly stated that they’ve banned the use of the last-resort antibiotic colistin. Waitrose is the only supermarket that has committed to publishing antibiotic-use data for its suppliers, although it is not yet clear whether this will be by the farming system.

Marks & Spencer has similarly published a very detailed policy which addresses all of the parameters set out in questions sent by the Alliance, bar the publication of data gathered on antibiotic use in their supply chains. M&S joins Waitrose in being the only two supermarkets to publicly state that they have banned the use of colistin.

Tesco and Sainsbury’s have also implemented a good range of policies, including banning the routine preventative use and restricting the critically important antibiotics, but unlike Waitrose and M&S, they have not yet banned colistin. They also do not publish antibiotic-use data, although they do collect some data, says the Alliance.

The Co-op has banned the routine preventative use of antibiotics, though it isn’t explicit in their policy whether CIAs are restricted. Aldi has a public position on antibiotics published on its website, rather than a full policy. Within this, it mentions measures to limit the routine preventative use of antibiotics, but it is not explicitly banned. It is monitoring use and has restricted the use of CIAs.

Morrisons has banned routine preventative use in chicken, dairy and egg production, but has yet to ban such use in other species. The retailer has also only partly restricted the use of critically important antibiotics, and do not appear to collect antibiotic-use data, says the Alliance.

More at link
 
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Parts of Beijing locked down after dozens of people test positive for Covid-19

DOZENS OF PEOPLE tested positive for Covid-19 in Beijing as parts of the city were locked down today after the emergence of a new cluster linked to a wholesale food market.

People were ordered to stay home at 11 residential estates in south Beijing’s Fengtai district and the nearby Xinfadi market was closed as authorities raced to contain the outbreak that has fuelled fears of a resurgence in local transmission.

Most of the six new domestic infections reported today were linked to the meat and vegetable market, the National Health Commission said.

But another 45 asymptomatic cases — which China counts separately — were detected after mass testing of nearly 2,000 workers at the market yesterday, city health official Pang Xinghuo later told reporters.

They have been placed under medical observation, Pang said.

Oh no....

Will this ever end??

:( :(
 
  • #757
Absolutely - so if New Zealand, for example, wants to wrap the entire country in a bubble and revert to the Dark Ages, that's fine. The world is too fragmented to treat anything as a "global" issue.

There are many economic treatises by actual experts that say otherwise. New Zealand can, as it is doing now, import essential items by plane. There are a number of ways for them to import and export without risk (quarantines are effective, testing is effective).

By dramatically cutting contact with random travelers, they can stay at zero. And their economy can adopt a different model than merely attempting to support international corporate greed. They may end up in a bright future and not the Dark Ages.
 
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That part is in one of the links as having happened. Maybe the point was missed?
Maybe I didn't read all the links because the restaurant took their order despite knowing they were American. The restaurant should have just given it as a take away to their car. So it isn't really a loophole at all. Just blown up anti US sentiment IMO.
 
  • #759
There are many economic treatises by actual experts that say otherwise. New Zealand can, as it is doing now, import essential items by plane. There are a number of ways for them to import and export without risk (quarantines are effective, testing is effective).

By dramatically cutting contact with random travelers, they can stay at zero. And their economy can adopt a different model than merely attempting to support international corporate greed. They may end up in a bright future and not the Dark Ages.
NZ economy greatly depends on trade though. E.g. their lamb exports and import of manufactured goods. Tourism and Farming are their two biggest industries, very similar to Wales and similar size population.
 
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Reports coming in about protests and Covid / I anticipate this will be one many that start coming in:

Colorado:

“Public health spokeswoman Chana Goussetis confirmed in an email that the protest some of the people who tested positive for coronavirus had reported attending was one organized by University of Colorado Boulder coaches and athletes in response to the death of George Floyd, a black man who died May 25 after a white Minneapolis police officer kneeled on his neck while arresting him.

Health officials could not say how many of the individuals attended any of the specified events.“

Boulder County officials: Recently infected residents with coronavirus reported being at Hill parties or protest
 
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