Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #61

[jjenny]

Interesting. If the employees got it so soon after reopening, it seems a good premise that they got it from their customers (who of course were not masked). I wonder if it entered through the eyes or whether, like so many people, they were wearing their masks below their noses (I see this all the time). It's great that restaurant personnel knew that loss of sense of smell was a key early symptom, but unfortunately, it's also one of the less common symptoms (although everyone who loses their sense of smell suddenly should be tested, of course).

Shutting down again was the right response (until everyone in the restaurant tests negative...10 days after last contact with the other employees) My worry would be that one more employee will test positive, and that will reset the clock.

The case above was in Texas, btw. Restaurant appears to have all its tables indoors (and widely spaced).

France just allowed indoor dining to resume yesterday, about a week after allowing outdoor dining. Daily new cases in France are bumping along at about 20-25% of what they were at their peak. Daily deaths are continuing to drop, seeming to plateau at around 25 per day (but it's too soon to know what reopening will do - it's only been slightly more than a week).

Well, like we were told, homemade masks only protect others from you. So for homemade masks to work, nearly everybody has to be wearing them. I am assuming employees were not wearing N95s, but either surgical or homemade masks, and were exposed to a bunch of maskless people. So thus they were not protected. Also, in restaurants, people usually talk to each other, and to employees when they order, so bunch of virus particles are going to be flying around. So, people, if you really really really want to go to a restaurant, pick one with outside sitting area-less of chance to get covid.

 

[Tillicum]

Well this sucks.

Coronavirus can still pass between face mask wearers — even when they're 4 feet apart: study

"The use of a mask will not provide complete protection," study co-author and University of Nicosia professor Dimitris Drikakis said in a statement. "Therefore, social distancing remains essential."

If a person has a coughing fit, "many droplets penetrate the mask shield and some saliva droplet disease-carrier particles can travel more than 1.2 meters (4 feet)," Drikakis added.

The calculations from the simulation also noted that droplet size could be affected due to hitting the mask, escaping and eventually, entering the environment.

"The droplet sizes change and fluctuate continuously during cough cycles as a result of several interactions with the mask and face," Drikakis explained.

 

[ilovewings]

Can we vote for Dr. Bhadelia for prez instead?

The Governor of the state should tell Trump not to come to their state: that the health of their citizens is too important to risk for a rally- or the mayor could do the same thing. Wimpy officials make me puke.

 

[Bravo]

wow they have not come back in stock in my area for months that I know of but I haven't checked physical stores lately ... have just been watching online

Check Home Hardware in your area. My City says in stock. For those who are not aware LadyL is Canadian. Like me

 

[24Roses]

Iowa numbers today: 120-122 (IMO) new confirmed cases today and IMO 8 (9) more have passed away as of 11:00 a.m. today.
We now have 24,161-24,168 total confirmed cases and 661 have passed away. 14,798-14,829 have recovered. Iowa COVID-19 Information
June 16: Nine additional COVID-19 deaths, 120 new cases, 367 new recoveries

 

[mickey2942]

Well this sucks.

Coronavirus can still pass between face mask wearers — even when they're 4 feet apart: study

"The use of a mask will not provide complete protection," study co-author and University of Nicosia professor Dimitris Drikakis said in a statement. "Therefore, social distancing remains essential."

If a person has a coughing fit, "many droplets penetrate the mask shield and some saliva droplet disease-carrier particles can travel more than 1.2 meters (4 feet)," Drikakis added.

The calculations from the simulation also noted that droplet size could be affected due to hitting the mask, escaping and eventually, entering the environment.

"The droplet sizes change and fluctuate continuously during cough cycles as a result of several interactions with the mask and face," Drikakis explained.

Great.

 

[ilovewings]

One night in a bar, woman and her 15 friends test positive.
“I think we were careless and we went out into a public place when we should not have. And we were not wearing masks. I think we had a whole 'Out of sight, out of mind' mentality. The state opens back up and said everybody was fine, so we took advantage of that,” Crisp said."
Woman, 15 friends test positive for coronavirus after night out at Lynch’s

A lesson learned too late!! hopefully they will all recover

 

[ilovewings]

Well this sucks.

Coronavirus can still pass between face mask wearers — even when they're 4 feet apart: study

"The use of a mask will not provide complete protection," study co-author and University of Nicosia professor Dimitris Drikakis said in a statement. "Therefore, social distancing remains essential."

If a person has a coughing fit, "many droplets penetrate the mask shield and some saliva droplet disease-carrier particles can travel more than 1.2 meters (4 feet)," Drikakis added.

The calculations from the simulation also noted that droplet size could be affected due to hitting the mask, escaping and eventually, entering the environment.

"The droplet sizes change and fluctuate continuously during cough cycles as a result of several interactions with the mask and face," Drikakis explained.

It may not provide complete protection, but i presume it will provide more protection than not wearing one. If a person has a coughing fit, first thing is to get away from that person so you don't get a large viral load of droplets. It is my understanding that viral load is really important. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than myself could explain it but i think if you are coughed on for a long period of time there is more danger of getting the virus than if the time of being coughed on was very short.
I will continue to wear my mask and hope that others do too.

 

[ilovewings]

Toilet Flushing Could Spread Covid-19 in the Air Via Poop Droplets

sigh- more bad news - flushing toilets can spread the virus through feces

Let me say this: I am not going to lose sleep over this: we traveled from Florida to Michigan and I used the toilet a lot (i have a pee problem)--- I did not get the virus: while it may be possible to contract the virus this way, there are just so many things you can worry about -- this is at the bottom of my list. When I am home I close the lid when I flush: just because i don't want E coli all over the room- my husband won't do that (dont' ask why because i don't know- he is stubborn)----

 

[LadyL]

Check Home Hardware in your area. My City says in stock. For those who are not aware LadyL is Canadian. Like me

thanks for the suggestion
I did just order 100 surgical masks from Amazon and they say they're already in Canadian warehouses and should be here quickly
no N95's tho and my closest HH locations say 0 in stock, except a couple say to call store for availability

 

[agenbola855]

The government announced the total positive accumulation of the corona virus (Covid-19) until Tuesday (6/16/2020) at 12.00 WIB reaching 40,400 people. The number increased 1,106 people compared to the previous day.

This was revealed by Special Government Spokesperson for Handling Covid-19 Achmad Yurianto based on national data recapitulation.

Meanwhile, the number of patients recovered increased by 580 people, bringing the total to 15,703 people. The number 51.79.10.38 of deaths increased by 33 people to a total of 2,231 people.

"430 cities / districts have been affected," said Yurianto.

Previously, the Reisa Broto Asmoro National Task Force's National Communications Team emphasized the community to take preventative measures both for themselves and family members at home.

Doctor Reisa reminds us all of the importance of conducting health guidelines to stay safe and productive COVID-19.

"Be a reliable family protector Prediksi Skor. Stay productive and keep family members safe from COVID-19. Families are healthy, the community is also healthy," Doctor Reisa told a press conference at the National Task Force Media Center, Jakarta, on Monday (6/15) ).

source: cnbcindonesia

 

[tabitha111]

Anyone have any insight on how they are going to run influenza immunizations in the US this fall?
Reason I am asking is, the local pharmacies around me are not doing ANY immunizations at this time, due to Covid 19 and how the injector has to get close to you to do it.

I don't think its going to be "much better" in the Fall...and then you will have probably more people seeking out the flu shot than in years before....sigh...I wonder if there will be long lines? I feel lines of any type are a definite hazard. Maybe they will do drive up clinics...here's hoping.

 

[anneg]

It may not provide complete protection, but i presume it will provide more protection than not wearing one. If a person has a coughing fit, first thing is to get away from that person so you don't get a large viral load of droplets. It is my understanding that viral load is really important. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than myself could explain it but i think if you are coughed on for a long period of time there is more danger of getting the virus than if the time of being coughed on was very short.
I will continue to wear my mask and hope that others do too.

The study was looking at how a person coughing affects their own mask. These were surgical masks, by the way.

Note: second link below is to an image depicting the effects of a person coughing with and without a mask.

"In an issue of Physics of Fluids, by AIP Publishing, Talib Dbouk and Dimitris Drikakis, from the University of Nicosia in Cyprus, use precise computer models to map out the expected flow patterns of small droplets released when a mask-wearing person coughs repeatedly.

Previous work from this research group showed droplets of saliva can travel 18 feet in five seconds when an unmasked person coughs. This new work used an extended model to consider the effect of face masks and multiple cycles of coughing.

The results show masks can reduce airborne droplet transmission. However, the filtering efficiency of masks is adversely affected by repeated coughing, as might happen when an individual is ill. Repeated coughs reduce the efficiency, letting many more droplets through."

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-06/aiop-rcs061520.php
A Subject Coughing in a Cyclic Incident

 

[anneg]

The lung transplant waiting list in the US now has 1400 adults and children on it. (It's near the bottom of that article).

Not all of these are COVid patients, of course, but it is apparently the longest wait list we've ever had. This is partly due to patients who were on the list before COVid not being able to get procedures, due to high risk of acquiring CoVid in hospital.

At the bottom of the article you linked above, there is a link to a g.f.m. page for the Kim family. Well worth visiting and reading the story posted by Hannah Kim about her family. Her father (main source of family income) and grandmother have already died from COVID-19, and her mother's lungs have been so badly damaged that she needs a transplant.

 

[jjenny]

Toilet Flushing Could Spread Covid-19 in the Air Via Poop Droplets

sigh- more bad news - flushing toilets can spread the virus through feces

Let me say this: I am not going to lose sleep over this: we traveled from Florida to Michigan and I used the toilet a lot (i have a pee problem)--- I did not get the virus: while it may be possible to contract the virus this way, there are just so many things you can worry about -- this is at the bottom of my list. When I am home I close the lid when I flush: just because i don't want E coli all over the room- my husband won't do that (dont' ask why because i don't know- he is stubborn)----

Maybe we should take a can of lysol into public toilet and spray everything in there?

 

[jjenny]

thanks for the suggestion
I did just order 100 surgical masks from Amazon and they say they're already in Canadian warehouses and should be here quickly
no N95's tho and my closest HH locations say 0 in stock, except a couple say to call store for availability

Amazon has lots of KN95s right now (with ear loops). That means they are not up to NIOSH standard, but I got some of those anyway. They are actually good to use in hot weather. I also got a sun visor to use as a face shield.

 

[Ragnarok]

Anyone have any insight on how they are going to run influenza immunizations in the US this fall?
Reason I am asking is, the local pharmacies around me are not doing ANY immunizations at this time, due to Covid 19 and how the injector has to get close to you to do it.

I don't think its going to be "much better" in the Fall...and then you will have probably more people seeking out the flu shot than in years before....sigh...I wonder if there will be long lines? I feel lines of any type are a definite hazard. Maybe they will do drive up clinics...here's hoping.

Don't know about pharmacies giving flu shots going forward but expect doctors offices to provide shots. Had blood drawn for lab work last week at 6:10 AM. Had to wait outside along with two others. We all wore masks while I was the only one wearing disposable gloves. All maintained 6' separation.

The phlebotomist came to the door and let only me in. She had a full gown on, gloves, mask, and face shield. Drew blood and escorted me to door. Took next in line inside. Don't see why flu shots can't be handled same way.

I expect receiving a flu shot in the fall.

Looking forward to see if they will do the telemed or have me in the office for my scheduled appointment next week. The cardiologist next month I don't see how that can be done without going to the office for my yearly echo cardiogram and EKG?

 

[anneg]

Don't know about pharmacies giving flu shots going forward but expect doctors offices to provide shots. Had blood drawn for lab work last week at 6:10 AM. Had to wait outside along with two others. We all wore masks while I was the only one wearing disposable gloves. All maintained 6' separation.

The phlebotomist came to the door and let only me in. She had a full gown on, gloves, mask, and face shield. Drew blood and escorted me to door. Took next in line inside. Don't see why flu shots can't be handled same way.

I expect receiving a flu shot in the fall.

Looking forward to see if they will do the telemed or have me in the office for my scheduled appointment next week. The cardiologist next month I don't see how that can be done without going to the office for my yearly echo cardiogram and EKG?

My husband and I had our choice of telemed or in-person appointment with our PCPs recently. He did in-person, I did telemed. DH also had a cardiologist appt similar to yours and went in person to have the echo etc and to see the doctor. His in-person visits were fine--there were precautions in place as expected.

We will certainly be getting our flu shots however we can get them.

 

[Midgie2]

We visited for the first time since March with my daughter and family outside. We chose the front yard. Mr Pirate and I sat in chairs on the cement driveway over 6 feet back of the grass. The girls age 2 and 4 had toys, little chairs and snacks on the lawn scattered about. The new baby was in moms arms. Dad and mom played with the kids and kept them happy on the grass while we watched and of course chatted and engaged them. They were told they could only stay on the grass. Having the clear distinction of grass and cement helped. The 2 yr old teased and touched her foot to the cement a few times but mom and dad redirected with toys and a kick ball on the lawn. It was a great visit. That said it was so very hard not to scoop the girls up in a big hug.
I hope you can soon try a social distance visit!!

This is such a GREAT idea!!! Thank You so much!

I love this community!

 

[Lavender Moon]

The Governor of the state should tell Trump not to come to their state: that the health of their citizens is too important to risk for a rally- or the mayor could do the same thing. Wimpy officials make me puke.

There are far too many of them IMO. Times like these require strength and wisdom; but if they dont have it, they don't have it.