Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #61

[tresir2012]

It's not even remotely true that those attending protests were not cited/criticized for potentially spreading Covid19 afterwards. Claiming not to have heard about the potential danger to others is nothing more than letting all know, again, what your political bent is. We're suppose to keep that out of all discussions btw.

The rally will have the same consequences for Covid19 spread to many communities as the protests do. The end result will be far fewer voters in November.

I also left out imo, moo.

I believe we can discuss the effects on Covid we believe will happen from the protests, (the possible uptick in cases) but not the protests themselves. Similar to discussing the possible effect of an indoor rally with masks, sanitisers and Covid waivers but not the rally or the politics itself. I don't think the OP was claiming to have not heard of the protest dangers, but was claiming not to have heard condemnation of the protests due to Covid. Two different things IMO.

Personally, I don't see any difference between 20,000 at a one off rally and 20,000 travelling on the London underground per day. Precautions to be taken or risk getting Covid. The protests were similar but went on against the rules. To my knowledge the rally will not be against any local rules but am happy to be corrected on that.

 

[10ofRods]

The protesters sometimes went inside buildings. They also stood within inches of cop lines and national guard lines and screamed in their faces.

In terms of numbers:

The protests spread to over 2,000 cities and towns in all 50 states[1] and all 5 permanently-inhabited territories,[2][3][4][5][6] as well as in over 60 other countries, with demonstrators supporting those seeking justice for Floyd and the wider Black Lives Matter movement, and speaking out against police brutality. The vast majority of demonstrations have been peaceful, but there have been instances of rioting, violence and police brutality.[7][8][9] The wave of protests and unrest has been compared to the long, hot summer of 1967 and the King assassination riots, both of which saw riots in over a hundred cities across the United States.[10]

Outside the United States, protests against the killing of George Floyd, racism, and police brutality also took place, notably in the cities of Auckland, Barcelona, Berlin, Brisbane, Madrid, Melbourne, Copenhagen, Dublin, Accra, Lagos, Nairobi, Cape Town, Paris, Perth, Rio de Janeiro, Sydney, Tel Aviv, Seoul, Tokyo, Vienna, and Athens, as well as in the countries of Canada and the United Kingdom. Protests have taken place in over 60 countries and on all continents except Antarctica.[a]

The protests were spread across the globe and have lasted for weeks already.

It is hard to compare ONE really, in one city, for a couple of hours, to a global wide mass protest lasting weeks. JMO

It started around June 3-4, IIRC. A bit later in France. So far, so good in France - the overall lower rates (and the clustering of new cases in less urban areas) seems to be a factor there. There is an uptick in cases yesterday, though, that bears watching. But with only 450 or so new cases, and some real attempts at contact traces, it should not get out of control.

In California, L.A. County is definitely seeing an uptick (and that should continue for the next week or two, since in general, hardly anyone just goes for testing when they have no symptoms or no vector). California had more than 4000 new cases yesterday - I think that's our worse day so far.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Despite public health officials around the world urging individuals to wear face masks to prevent further spread of COVID-19, there have been several claims posted on social media and printed on posters that suggest wearing a face mask is more dangerous to the wearer’s health than contracting the virus. But a Canadian doctor says those claims are easily debunked.

This sounds like when people said that wearing seat belts was more dangerous than not, since it would make it harder to get out of vehicle if in an accident.

 

[anneg]

This is a beautifully written article...brought tears to my eyes... its worth a read...BBM

I’m a Critical Care Doctor. I’m Tired, I’m Mourning, I’m Bracing for More.

We’re keeping empty units available. The virus is still here.

Opinion | I’m a Critical Care Doctor. I’m Tired, I’m Mourning, I’m Bracing for More.

By Daniela J. Lamas

Dr. Lamas is a critical care doctor at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston

June 16, 2020

Rushing into the hospital for an overnight shift, I grab my brown paper bag of personal protective equipment, swing open the door to the coronavirus intensive care unit — and stop short. The patients are gone. The halls that were cluttered just a day ago with ventilator monitors are now empty, silent.

[Snipped by me]

Thank you tabitha. Profound, moving read. Folks tend to forget the nightmare Health Care Workers have endured and will in the days to come.

I second what Tabitha and Bravo said about this powerful story. Thanks, Tabitha, for posting it.

 

[tresir2012]

It doesn't defeat the purpose of wearing the mask if the purpose is to protect the wearer of the mask. Valved N95 protect you just fine, they don't protect people around you. If most people around me aren't wearing masks, I have to protect myself. There is no mask order in my state. So people don't have to wear any masks at all. If I am wearing a mask that protects me, that has a purpose. And I guess Trump thinks it has another purpose. Apparently he thinks some people wear mask to demonstrate their disapproval of him. Actually I am trying to be conscientious so I put a gaiter on top of a mask. Since gaiter itself counts as facial covering, I feel that is good enough.
Trump says some Americans wear coronavirus masks 'to signal disapproval of him'

Well he's right about the fidgeting but not about the disapproval aspect IMO --- noone wants to have to wear a mask.

 

[tresir2012]

US - Officials: Masks are required in Orange county, Florida due to increasing coronavirus case numbers.

TY for your post about the empty critical care ward in NY.

 

[Sundog]

Reposting article that was posted this morning on the importance of covering your nose with a face mask, as there are more ACE2 receptors in one's nostrils than at other coronavirus entry points. Talks about research they are doing on using baby shampoo and water to rinse out the nostrils, but don't try this at home, they don't know yet if this could be dangerous, it is under study.

Coronavirus can infect nostrils MUCH more easily than the lungs | Daily Mail Online

Second article posted earlier today was about Neumifil, a nasal spray they're looking at regarding treatment of COVID-19 in the UK.

Covid-19: Anti-coronavirus nasal spray, Neumifil, in works in UK

 

[tresir2012]

It started around June 3-4, IIRC. A bit later in France. So far, so good in France - the overall lower rates (and the clustering of new cases in less urban areas) seems to be a factor there. There is an uptick in cases yesterday, though, that bears watching. But with only 450 or so new cases, and some real attempts at contact traces, it should not get out of control.

In California, L.A. County is definitely seeing an uptick (and that should continue for the next week or two, since in general, hardly anyone just goes for testing when they have no symptoms or no vector). California had more than 4000 new cases yesterday - I think that's our worse day so far.

Do you think it is from the protests?
The timing seems about right.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

The virus doesn't care what any of us say about it.

I sure didn't see any praise of protesters here on WS.

It comes back to the fact this virus, and the ways of preventing it, should have Nothing to do with political bias. I keep repeating the mantra that I learned from listening to actual scientists, who know far more than myself. The virus does not care whether you're conservative, liberal, fascist, communist, etc. It's merely seeking a human host to inhabit and hopefully spread itself to other human hosts.

I for one, agree completely with what the protesters are protesting against. But that's separate from my worry that those large protest rallies would have consequences to be determined later. I have no problem with knowing, and in fact hope we do know, what impact those rallies had on the spread of this virus. The only positive from any resurgence, would be the knowledge we gain from confirmation of what was already suspected.

In that respect, I also want to see the results of packing 19K into an indoor arena, with no masks required. I want to know that everyone present survived and did not need hospital treatment, just as much as I want to know if any did, and whether any attendees actually died as a result.

The glass half full side of me believes that whatever the results, it won't change people's actions unfortunately. Whether it's protesters or political rally attendees, people apparently believe it's a problem that will affect someone else, even though, once again, the virus does not discriminate. It merely infects and spreads, that's it's jam.

 

[jjenny]

Protests at least were outside. Trump plans to have his rally inside. Virus spreads much more easily inside than outside. He also just claimed that some people signaling disapproval of him by wearing a mask. I guess that means attendees are going to remain maskless?

 

[Bravo]

Protests at least were outside. Trump plans to have his rally inside. Virus spreads much more easily inside than outside. He also just claimed that some people signaling disapproval of him by wearing a mask. I guess that means attendees are going to remain maskless?

Lordy! I want to watch the rally. Yet I don't. Faces of real people. People who may not live to tell the tale. Or infect so many others.

 

[tmar]

13-day-old baby becomes one of UK's youngest coronavirus victims

13-day-old baby becomes one of UK's youngest coronavirus victims

1 hour ago
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A 13-day-old baby has become one of the youngest people to die with coronavirus in the UK.

The child had no underlying health conditions.

The youngster's death comes as it was announced a further 135 people who tested positive for COVID-19 had lost their lives.

It brings the total fatalities in all settings in the UK, including hospitals, care homes and the wider community, to 42,288.
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Children seem to be much less likely to suffer the most severe effects of the disease.

But it has still claimed the lives of at least 20 people under the age of 20.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

This rally is inside. Another huge difference is the shear number of attendees vs. protestors. 20,000 I think. There was no protest of that magnitude.

There were some protests of that size, but that's spread over MANY city blocks, walking down the street. Different than everyone packed floor to roof not moving for several hours.

 

[Bravo]

Is there no Tulsa Official who could cancel this rally?

 

[weepingangel]

Massachusetts reports 36 new coronavirus deaths, 271 new cases as Boston reaches ‘important benchmark’ in infections

In Boston, Mayor Marty Walsh said on Thursday that the city reached an “important benchmark” in the rate of infections.
“The overall positive test rate is down to 19.6%,” Walsh said during his daily press briefing. “That’s the first time that our test rate in the city has fallen below 20%.”

 

[MimosaMornings]

People are already lining up for Trump's rally in Tulsa on Saturday, which local leaders have begged him to cancel amid a coronavirus spike

“Despite widespread concerns about the coronavirus, Trump supporters are already lining up to get their seats inside the BOK Center in Tulsa, Okla. ahead of the president's MAGA rally on Saturday.”

 

[tmar]

World Health Organization drops hydroxychloroquine from COVID-19 study

World Health Organization drops hydroxychloroquine from COVID-19 study

Jaimy Lee
2 hrs ago
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The World Health Organization (WHO) on Wednesday said it had halted a clinical trial testing hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 treatment, citing clinical evidence so far from its studies as well as studies conducted by other organizations.

The WHO has been running a clinical trial with multiple therapies including hydroxychloroquine as part of an effort to find a treatment that can successfully treat COVID-19 patients.

"Investigators will not randomize further patients to hydroxychloroquine in the Solidarity trial," WHO officials said in a statement.

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However, a series of clinical studies have found the drug does not reduce mortality among hospitalized COVID-19 patients, and the Food and Drug Administration recently revoked an emergency use authorization granted to the medications.

 

[10ofRods]

There were some protests of that size, but that's spread over MANY city blocks, walking down the street. Different than everyone packed floor to roof not moving for several hours.

Plus, frankly, also the demographics. Most of the protestors were fairly young. Sure, there were a few 70 year olds, but I expect the crowd in Tulsa to have a higher average age, with plenty of 70 year olds.

 

[Bravo]

So there lining up on Thursday for a Saturday rally

 

[mickey2942]

42,000 cruise ship workers still trapped at sea

I don't know how cruise lines can even THINK about starting cruising again, when they still have 42,000 employees on their ships!