tresir2012
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I always appreciate a different perspective, when offered with stats and in a calm presentation. I hope you're right. From the beginning I've actually prayed I am wrong. Still not convinced and relish life too much to become careless. I'll continue to be super cautious and wait and see.Apologies in advance. I have dropped back in. Sorry.
Where are we now? The CDC has stated the mortality rate of COVID-19 in the first month of the epidemic was 0.27%. When nursing homes homes were overrun by the virus. Nursing home deaths have accounted for over 50% of the 120,000 deaths in the U.S. from COVID-19. But they are not being overrun now. The current mortality rate of COVID-19 is likely now close to the flu at 0.1%, and we will hear about this soon, IMO. If not, call me out on it.
The chance of 0-24 year old person dying of COVID-19 is lower than than the chance of dying in a car crash in their lifetime. Not 10x lower, not 100x lower, not 1000x lower, 3400x lower based on CDC data and the National Safety Council.
3400x.
46 million people out of work.
What are we doing? I am posting a summary that I made to more receptive audience. I do not mean to be disrespectful to your fears, but I hope to provide prospective. And I believe we have been led down a subservient path that I have never seen in my lifetime.
Before my post, a brief synopsis of a section of George Orwell's Animal Farm, which I believe is prophetic.
George Orwell uses the sheep to display how important it was for those in the position of power to ensure that their message would consolidate their own power. The sheep do not have any individuality. They lack names and simply bleat in unison. They are heard on cue from Squealer. Agreement is not necessary in this setting where adherence is the most important element. In repeating the chant of "Two Legs Good, Four Legs Bad," the sheep operate as reminders of Animalism, the philosophy that put the pigs in power. They bleat as a way to emphasize that the leadership of the pigs is in the best interest of all the farm animals.
Over time, the power of the pigs grows. They eventually learn to walk on two legs, mirroring the humans that used to control the farm before the revolution. Teaching the sheep the new chant of "Four Legs Good, Two Legs Better" is another reminder of how the sheep are used to consolidate the pig power over the farm. Once again, the sheep do not question anything they are taught. Their chanting drowns out any other voices.
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If you are reading this, you are not dead of COVID-19. Good for you. However, I have some bad news, you will die someday. What will you die of?
The current death toll of coronavirus in the U.S. is at 119,000, a seemingly big number. In a country of 330 million people, this is 0.036% of the population dead of COVID-19. Average age is around 80.
Forbes published a list of causes of death, and the chance in percentages that you will die of specific events. The media and politician’s agenda repeatedly tells us that we are at perilous risk of dying of COVID-19. "Flattening the curve" to prevent healthcare overrun has been mysteriously transformed into save every life- at any collateral cost. Stay shut down.
We seemed to have gone along with it, bleating- “Four legs good, two legs better.” The media and the political machine behind the media, are abusing information and using their power to control the masses and spread their message. People were initially scared into flattening the curve, but the curve has been flattened and the virus has been shown to be far less deadly than previously stated. Dissenting opinion on the lockdown measures are drowned out by the sheep- and certainly not allowed on television or in print.
In the list attached, I have added in the chance of dying in the U.S. from coronavirus from March until today- outside of being in a nursing home, to the Forbes data. This may roughly represent your chance of dying of COVID-19 going forward through the rest of 2020, until there is a vaccine. Age demographics from Wikipedia, and COVID-19 death data from the CDC.
The data shows that for Americans that are not in nursing homes, there is a-
5x higher chance of drowning or dying in a fire than of COVID-19
45x higher chance of dying of poisoning than of COVID-19
67x higher chance of dying in a car crash than of COVID-19
The chances of your child aged 0-24 dying at some point in their life from a car crash is 3400x higher than them dying of COVID-19.
Should we stop swimming, and drive less? No, because we accept the inherent risks of life.
Should we keep children out of school and close colleges? Of course not, but it appears likely.
At this point we know that vulnerable people need to lockdown, and not businesses, schools, and working Americans. A temporary lockdown was needed in the populated areas of the northeast, but the curve was flattened long ago.
Open up now. Spread the word. Be the shepherd.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tombarlow/2011/05/10/the-odds-on-how-you-will-die/#1377bfa71be7
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In the United States, we have 21 states where we see cases increasing, some of them quite dramatically. In 21 states - in addition to that, we have cases decreasing, and nine right in the middle where it's just level. And we can't tie this to necessarily reopening the economy. The states where we're seeing cases decrease have also had reopenings (ph). And so I think it's - the virus is doing what it's doing right now. And we just aren't quite sure what it's going to do next.
OSTERHOLM: I don't worry about food. I don't worry about newsprint. I don't worry about packages I get here. I don't worry about doorknobs and railings any more than I would during the regular cold season. You know, it's not that that's what's going to be the major challenge with this virus. Over and over again, it's the air that we share with each other that is critical. That's why distancing is so important.
OSTERHOLM: As we're recording this on Tuesday, almost two weeks out from when the protests begin, which is important because we would expect to see cases start to develop within that first five to seven days after exposure and really present to medical care in the next five to seven days so about this time. And I can say we haven't seen any major increase at all in cases in any of the cities around the United States that might be associated with protesting. When it first occurred and we were watching it on our televisions or being part of the protests themselves, it was clear that we were seeing all these people together for what had just been several months of hardly anyone together.
Apologies in advance. I have dropped back in. Sorry.
Where are we now? The CDC has stated the mortality rate of COVID-19 in the first month of the epidemic was 0.27%. When nursing homes homes were overrun by the virus. Nursing home deaths have accounted for over 50% of the 120,000 deaths in the U.S. from COVID-19. But they are not being overrun now. The current mortality rate of COVID-19 is likely now close to the flu at 0.1%, and we will hear about this soon, IMO. If not, call me out on it.
The chance of 0-24 year old person dying of COVID-19 is lower than than the chance of dying in a car crash in their lifetime. Not 10x lower, not 100x lower, not 1000x lower, 3400x lower based on CDC data and the National Safety Council.
3400x.
46 million people out of work.
What are we doing? I am posting a summary that I made to more receptive audience. I do not mean to be disrespectful to your fears, but I hope to provide prospective. And I believe we have been led down a subservient path that I have never seen in my lifetime.
Before my post, a brief synopsis of a section of George Orwell's Animal Farm, which I believe is prophetic.
George Orwell uses the sheep to display how important it was for those in the position of power to ensure that their message would consolidate their own power. The sheep do not have any individuality. They lack names and simply bleat in unison. They are heard on cue from Squealer. Agreement is not necessary in this setting where adherence is the most important element. In repeating the chant of "Two Legs Good, Four Legs Bad," the sheep operate as reminders of Animalism, the philosophy that put the pigs in power. They bleat as a way to emphasize that the leadership of the pigs is in the best interest of all the farm animals.
Over time, the power of the pigs grows. They eventually learn to walk on two legs, mirroring the humans that used to control the farm before the revolution. Teaching the sheep the new chant of "Four Legs Good, Two Legs Better" is another reminder of how the sheep are used to consolidate the pig power over the farm. Once again, the sheep do not question anything they are taught. Their chanting drowns out any other voices.
******
If you are reading this, you are not dead of COVID-19. Good for you. However, I have some bad news, you will die someday. What will you die of?
The current death toll of coronavirus in the U.S. is at 119,000, a seemingly big number. In a country of 330 million people, this is 0.036% of the population dead of COVID-19. Average age is around 80.
Forbes published a list of causes of death, and the chance in percentages that you will die of specific events. The media and politician’s agenda repeatedly tells us that we are at perilous risk of dying of COVID-19. "Flattening the curve" to prevent healthcare overrun has been mysteriously transformed into save every life- at any collateral cost. Stay shut down.
We seemed to have gone along with it, bleating- “Four legs good, two legs better.” The media and the political machine behind the media, are abusing information and using their power to control the masses and spread their message. People were initially scared into flattening the curve, but the curve has been flattened and the virus has been shown to be far less deadly than previously stated. Dissenting opinion on the lockdown measures are drowned out by the sheep- and certainly not allowed on television or in print.
In the list attached, I have added in the chance of dying in the U.S. from coronavirus from March until today- outside of being in a nursing home, to the Forbes data. This may roughly represent your chance of dying of COVID-19 going forward through the rest of 2020, until there is a vaccine. Age demographics from Wikipedia, and COVID-19 death data from the CDC.
The data shows that for Americans that are not in nursing homes, there is a-
5x higher chance of drowning or dying in a fire than of COVID-19
45x higher chance of dying of poisoning than of COVID-19
67x higher chance of dying in a car crash than of COVID-19
The chances of your child aged 0-24 dying at some point in their life from a car crash is 3400x higher than them dying of COVID-19.
Should we stop swimming, and drive less? No, because we accept the inherent risks of life.
Should we keep children out of school and close colleges? Of course not, but it appears likely.
At this point we know that vulnerable people need to lockdown, and not businesses, schools, and working Americans. A temporary lockdown was needed in the populated areas of the northeast, but the curve was flattened long ago.
Open up now. Spread the word. Be the shepherd.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tombarlow/2011/05/10/the-odds-on-how-you-will-die/#1377bfa71be7
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42,000 cruise ship workers still trapped at sea
“At the start of the pandemic, the Bahamas, which serves as the flag state for many cruise ships, rejected requests to take passengers in and later, cruise ship workers.”
“According to the Florida Caribbean Cruise Association (FCCA), the Bahamas government collected $54.2 million from cruise lines in 2018.”
“The U.S. Coast Guard, overwhelmed by dozens of medical evacuations for crew with COVID-19, told ships to seek medical help for crew members from their flag states instead. The Bahamas said it couldn’t help.”
'What about us?': Filipino cruise crews struggle to get home
“The Philippines allowed some cruise ships to anchor at the Manila Bay as a way to facilitate the return of its nationals, who make up about a third of the industry’s global seagoing crew.
But the repatriation en masse of other Filipino workers from all over the world caught the government off-guard, and resources crumbled under the weight of testing tens of thousands of returnees.”
Woah outdoor event, wearing a mask but still catching it.Texas:
Texas coronavirus hospitalizations surge 11% in a single day
[...]
- The number of people sickened with Covid-19 across Texas' hospitals hit a new high Wednesday, surging about 11% in a single day.
- The total Wednesday marks the eighth new high in the state in less than two weeks.
- Texas coronavirus hospitalizations are now up more than 84% since Memorial Day as the state continues to reopen.
“While the increased hospital occupancy does raise concerns, the state's hospital capacity remains at "the lowest threat level," Abbott said. "We have plenty of room to expand beds, there are thousands of hospital beds that are available as we speak right now," he said.”
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COVID-19 updates: Dallas, Tarrant counties hit record-highs for patients treated for coronavirus
“Those are up 73% and 95% in the three and a half weeks since Memorial Day.”
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Houston protesters starting to test positive for COVID-19
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Mayors to Texans: 'We cannot afford to ignore the consequences' of COVID-19
The mayors of nine Texas cities, including Houston, penned a letter to all of Texas urging everyone to not let their guard down.
““If we want the economy to open fully and stay open, if we want to send our kids back to school from pre-k to college, if we want to watch and play sports with people in the stands, if we want to attend cultural arts events like concerts and theatre, if we want banquets and parades in the fall, if we want our lives back as Texans, we need to take this seriously,” they wrote.
“Very seriously.””
Holding that rally is absolute madness. You just have to shake your head in wonderment.
Perhaps they have a rude message written on the mask ????
I don't think so: he is saying anybody wearing a mask may be expressing disapproval
of him--- i am speechless really- well, not really- i have lots to say but can't say it-- so i will shut up now LOL
It is horrifying to me that gambling with American lives has become sport. We all have a choice. Yes, I know that... but lots and lots of people are encouraged to play a game rather than make healthy choices.
Tulsa and Masks have just become a macho game.
US - Officials: Masks are required in Orange county, Florida due to increasing coronavirus case numbers.
DeSantis keeps blaming this on testing, but that is not the whole story at all.
Why Are COVID Cases Rising in Florida?
It’s hard to pinpoint how much this wave is a response to businesses reopening and how much it’s due to other factors. Prins noted that, anecdotally, a lot of Floridians appear to have given up on wearing masks.
And Florida is now seeing a demographic shift: The people testing positive are now younger. A Florida Department of Health report found that Floridians under the age 18 are testing positive at almost twice the rate of residents of the state as a whole.
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