Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #61

[ilovewings]

Rally is a go. It's my understanding hand sanitizer will be provided as well as masks but from what I have heard it's not mandatory. Folks have to sign a waiver.

hand sanitizer is a waste of time with 20,000 people real close to each other
screaming for hours---

 

[Sundog]

College football has a lot of money on the line, UNC alone looking at $40 million loss if they don't play this year.

At most universities, football and basketball bring in the money and help to fund other sports on campus.

The NCAA (national association that sets policy for student-athletes in the U.S.) has allowed student athletes to return to campus, voluntarily, for training and workouts. On our campus, the student athletes returned earlier this month.

UNC football players return to campus with $40M on the line

 

[Bravo]

hand sanitizer is a waste of time with 20,000 people real close to each other
screaming for hours---

For sure. This rally is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[mickey2942]

For sure. This rally is a disaster waiting to happen.

It really is. The Pandemic, social unrest, the whole thing is a disaster. The news tonight should be absolutely riveting.

 

[anneg]

I tried to follow back the post you replied to but it doesn't work so must have been deleted. Would you mind recapping what the story was?

Here is the original post:

'Perfectly Healthy' 16-Year-Old Who Loved Photography and Video Games Died Suddenly from COVID-19


“Because Dawn is a nurse in the nursing home at a continuing care community, the family took more than the usual precautions when the coronavirus started to spread across the United States. After each shift, she’d take off her shoes at the door — where Johnny would disinfect them — and she’d head upstairs to shower. The family cleaned surfaces with disinfectant wipes, wore masks when they had to leave the house and practiced social distancing as much as possible. In fact, Andre was the only family member who did not leave the house at all.”

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

hand sanitizer is a waste of time with 20,000 people real close to each other screaming for hours---

Masks are going to be distributed to all attendees, as well. I predict that no one will wear them and that the masks will become props that rally-goers swing in the air while they chant, scream, and shout - like fans swinging towels at sporting events. At Red Wings games, towels are distributed to those in VIP seats and about 10,000 fans who arrive early.

 

[weepingangel]

I was picturing the same thing Rally masks

Masks are going to be distributed to all attendees, as well. I predict that no one will wear them and that the masks will become props that rally-goers swing in the air while they chant, scream, and shout - like fans swinging towels at sporting events. At Red Wings games, towels are distributed to those in VIP seats and about 10,000 fans who arrive early.

 

[anneg]

College football has a lot of money on the line, UNC alone looking at $40 million loss if they don't play this year.

At most universities, football and basketball bring in the money and help to fund other sports on campus.

The NCAA (national association that sets policy for student-athletes in the U.S.) has allowed student athletes to return to campus, voluntarily, for training and workouts. On our campus, the student athletes returned earlier this month.

UNC football players return to campus with $40M on the line

Coach Brown will turn 69 in August, by the way. Younger than I am, but apparently not slimmer. MOO

 

[Bravo]

It has been reported some of the rally folk believe the virus is a hoax. Sadly some may be about to find out. The next few weeks will be excruciating to watch.

 

[mickey2942]

It has been reported some of the rally folk believe the virus is a hoax. Sadly some may be about to find out. The next few weeks will be excruciating to watch.

This "hoax" has actually been trending quite a bit in Las Vegas. People ask others, "Do you know anyone who had this virus?". Most people don't. So, I guess that the "logic" is that it is just a big media drama.

Scary.

 

[margarita25]

I know this comes as a big surprise to everyone, but I’m not seeing a single mask:

Supporters of U.S. President Donald Trump gather to attend a campaign rally at the BOK Center, June 20, 2020 in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Trump is scheduled to hold his first political rally since the start of the coronavirus pandemic at the BOK Center on Saturday while infection rates in the state of Oklahoma continue to rise. (Getty)

People wait at a security checkpoint to attend a rally with US President Donald Trump later in the evening at the BOK Center on June 20, 2020, in Tulsa, Oklahoma. - Hundreds of supporters lined up early for Donald Trump's first political rally in months, saying the risk of contracting COVID-19 in a big, packed arena would not keep them from hearing the president's campaign message. (AFP via Getty)

McEnany hits media for health concerns over rally: ‘You should exhibit that same concern for the protesters’


@Bravo, remember when we were talking the Super Bowl here? I was laughing so hard I was literally crying because you said you didn’t know anything about who was playing or anything,
but you were going to watch the Super Bowl “just to look for people in the audience with masks and such”? (You had to be there guys, it was hilarious!! I’ll look for the post.)

 

[Bravo]

LOL I do remember magz.

 

[10ofRods]

It's in the high 80's in Tulsa today, so the venue must surely have its A/C on. With 20,000 people indoors, even in the evening, it will be fairly uncomfortable without a little ventilation. If anyone is infected (very hard to know which models to use to predict that number, as people are coming from all over), they will be breathing out about 100,000 virions with each breath while not talking or yelling. This is enough to infect 2 people on either side of that person within about 10 minutes. Within 20 minutes, it's enough to infect a couple of people in front of that person.

We know that CoVid has spread on at least two main east-west highway arteries in the US - rather dramatically related to travel stops, convenience stores, etc. So it is likely that at least 4-5 people in that crowd are actively transmitting (and may not know it yet - highest transmission is just before the more serious symptoms occur (or in the case of the asymptomatic, from day 3-14 of infection, approximately). We don't really know how long people-in-general stay infectious, the average is probably about 2 weeks after the fever spikes, but we know very little about the asymptomatic or paucisymptomatic (my new word of the month - few symptoms).

We know some people are still transmitting virus 21 days out and I think the record is 28 days.

If someone is coughing and has CoVid, they will likely infect 5-10 people around them.

Of people who get CoVid in the US, 5% will die. 54 and under - only 1%. Obviously, older age groups are more vulnerable, with over 90's being in the range of 10-20% mortality.

Looking at the crowds in Tulsa, I can see that many are obese and many are older. They're already pressed together outside, where transmission should be lower, especially if there's a breeze and it is sunny. But again, if anyone is coughing or sneezing, the people nearby can still get it.

This becomes a natural experiment for all of us to watch. Many of the people are not from Tulsa, they will go back to where ever they go back to. Some of those places will not be doing contact tracing, etc., so we will never know for sure what the impact of such an event will be, but I predict that some of the people who work at that venue will end up infected, be hospitalized and the public told about their situation.

BTW, even a 1% risk of dying of CoVid (if infected) is way beyond my personal risk allowance. When I was on a medicine that had a 1 in 120,000 risk of causing blood clots, I thought that was not too bad. 4 weeks later, I was unconscious on my kitchen floor. But 1 in 100 is much, much scarier.

I hope people who are taking that kind of risk in a big indoor venue (of whatever kind) have their affairs in order, just in case. Especially a medical directive, because patients with CoVid, if hospitalized, really do need an advocate.

 

[gngr~snap]

6 White House staffers doing advanced work have tested (+)
for COVID-19 today.
***Probably Secret Security overseeing the location, but what if it's people who set up the free masks and the tables of waiver forms they must sign to attend?

You can't make this stuff up!!
Moo

6 campaign staffers working on Trump's rally in Tulsa have tested positive for Covid-19

 

[Trino]

College football has a lot of money on the line, UNC alone looking at $40 million loss if they don't play this year.

At most universities, football and basketball bring in the money and help to fund other sports on campus.

The NCAA (national association that sets policy for student-athletes in the U.S.) has allowed student athletes to return to campus, voluntarily, for training and workouts. On our campus, the student athletes returned earlier this month.

UNC football players return to campus with $40M on the line

When I was in college, I probably could be convinced of just about anything. Seems to me this is the same for student athletes. Hey, you're only training and working out. Not gonna be a problem.

 

[Trino]

6 White House staffers doing advanced work have tested (+)
for COVID-19 today.
***Probably Secret Security overseeing the location, but what if it's people who set up the free masks and the tables of waiver forms they must sign to attend?

You can't make this stuff up!!
Moo

6 campaign staffers working on Trump's rally in Tulsa have tested positive for Covid-19

Should we laugh or cry?

 

[SA55]

6 Trump campaign members in Tulsa test positive for the coronavirus ahead of rally

Six members of President Donald Trump's campaign staff who are in Tulsa, Oklahoma, to setup for the president's first campaign rally in months tested positive for the coronavirus, the campaign announced on Saturday.

Really Really hoping this isn’t indication of what’s to come

 

[gngr~snap]

The air in the arena will be RIPE with coronavirus when Trump appears to holler and huff and puff for a few hours!
Moo

 

[margarita25]

I can’t stop crying moo.

 

[gngr~snap]

Watching CNN...
I am seeing about 2 out of 50 who are actually wearing a mask.
Why am I not surprised?!
The
MAGA hats outnumber masks by about 25 to 1!
AND WITH THAT... I am turning the channel!
Moo