Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #61

[margarita25]

The point is, even the toilets won't be any less or more infected than the air itself. Toilets will be the least of their worries, as surely they have cleaning staff at that place.

It's the actual stadium seating and the air (especially with so many people perched higher than others, all air flowing downward until recirculated by the ventilation system, where it will persist for hours if not days).

If there are billions of CV virions in the air, then it's going to be on their clothing - on the outside of the sanitizer bottle, etc. On their straws as they sip their sodas.

Talk about “APVLD“

(Will provide a link for reference)

quick link/ my post
“Well I’m hoping Dr. Maria can address this “aerosol plumes of virus-laden diarrhea” (and really anything to do with fecal matter as related to this) in an upcoming WHO conference.”
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Feb 8, 2020
Coronavirus - Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #3

Looking for better link

 

[Bravo]

The numbers are already horrifying in many places following mass re-openings and hundreds of thousands of protesters in the streets for weeks on end. This rally won’t help matters, but make no mistake, things are already completely out of control. As a healthcare worker, it’s infuriating to have to sit by and watch all that has been allowed in the last 3 weeks, and all that is being allowed as we move forward.

I get that we cannot stay closed down completely for months or years. But a free-for-all doesn’t seem like the answer either. I can’t tell you how many people I’ve heard justifying risky behavior “because if it’s ok to have all of these protests, it can’t be that bad for me to take my wife to dinner”, etc.

So we just take in the massive numbers of new cases and new hospitalizations, knowing the numbers are out of control and only getting worse by the day, and we pray a lot that we don’t get really sick taking care of all of these self centered people, or worse, get our families sick.

I hear you, having our Grown Children working in our Hospital. It makes me crazy too. Be safe.

 

[tresir2012]

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So the other members of the family must have infected him. Very sad. What job did the father do?

 

[Lilibet]

Are there no Democrat rallies going on?

Nope. And just a general grammatical correction not aimed at you personally, it’s the Democratic Party, not Democrat Party, unless one wants to be disparaging.

Democrat Party (epithet) - Wikipedia

 

[Trino]

Rally-goers' temperatures are allegedly taken prior to entering the arena. What happens if someone has an elevated temperature that is indicative of possible COVID infection? Will they be denied admission even if they have a ticket? Many of the people attending the rally have been waiting in line for two or more days - very few wearing masks, practically no social distancing. I suspect that there will be people trying to get into the event who will have elevated temperatures and could be infected with the virus already. I sense a calm before a major storm...

Those who have a ticket will circumvent any attempt to keep them out and will somehow get inside.

 

[gngr~snap]

Well! Did they bring it with them? Acquired during travel? (500 Delta employees have tested positive, Delta revealed yesterday - I'm sure other airlines are just keeping quiet). Or did they get it in Tulsa? (That would be the least likely option, but still possible - given that they are interacting with business people and government people in indoor settings). When a president visited near where I was working, they contacted every business and residence within a certain radius and all along the travel route of the president (wasn't Trump). They wanted to know who had cameras, what was stored and went on upstairs in buildings of more than one story, and in some cases, asked for areas to have agents deployed on rooftops.

If 100 people went in advance, then 6% had cases. The people handing out the masks are Tulsa people, not White House staffers. The White House staffers were probably mostly secret service, but the advance task forces for presidential visits include a wide variety of functionaries. Someone has to deal with the convention center itself, make sure shipments of promotional materials are received, and then distributed. I suspect they will ask local GOP volunteers to help with that as well.

Right now, with the R Naught rates what they are nationwide, those 6 people have likely infected 6-7 others. Everyone in the group should be tested and wearing masks until they get their results, as should everyone who came into contact with them, especially in their hotel.

They are part of the presidential group that get tested every day.
MOO, they got it there.

 

[ilovewings]

Indeed. When people say “but the protestors,” I think to myself that the big difference between the spontaneous protests and the President holding a rally and convention inside without social distancing and masks is that he is really the only one in the country, as the leader, who can have a positive influence on people by modeling recommended safe behavior.

That wouldn’t have stopped the protestors (many, many of whom wore masks), but it would set the tone for everyone, including those who resist precautions. The leader of any country, not just the U.S. President, has that responsibility to the citizens to lead by example.
JMO

i dont just like your post, i love it

 

[tresir2012]

Should we laugh or cry?

It's good they are being tested. Are the attendees being tested or getting temp checks? I thought I read they were.

The air in the arena will be RIPE with coronavirus when Trump appears to holler and huff and puff for a few hours!
Moo

Does he have it then? I think they are taking precautions too.

 

[Lilibet]

i dont just like your post, i love it

 

[gngr~snap]

It's good they are being tested. Are the attendees being tested or getting temp checks? I thought I read they were.

Does he have it then? I think they are taking precautions too.

They have not been around Trump. They went to Tulsa a week or so ago.
Moo

 

[Bravo]

The link in the article to the website would not load.

However the article mentions if Trump had closed a week earlier many lives would have been saved. I thought he left that decision to Governors.

He did eventually leave it to each State. By then the virus was already circulating. Reports state the early warnings were met with much push back from the Administration.

 

[tresir2012]

I know this comes as a big surprise to everyone, but I’m not seeing a single mask:

Supporters of U.S. President Donald Trump gather to attend a campaign rally at the BOK Center, June 20, 2020 in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Trump is scheduled to hold his first political rally since the start of the coronavirus pandemic at the BOK Center on Saturday while infection rates in the state of Oklahoma continue to rise. (Getty)

People wait at a security checkpoint to attend a rally with US President Donald Trump later in the evening at the BOK Center on June 20, 2020, in Tulsa, Oklahoma. - Hundreds of supporters lined up early for Donald Trump's first political rally in months, saying the risk of contracting COVID-19 in a big, packed arena would not keep them from hearing the president's campaign message. (AFP via Getty)

McEnany hits media for health concerns over rally: ‘You should exhibit that same concern for the protesters’


@Bravo, remember when we were talking the Super Bowl here? I was laughing so hard I was literally crying because you said you didn’t know anything about who was playing or anything,
but you were going to watch the Super Bowl “just to look for people in the audience with masks and such”? (You had to be there guys, it was hilarious!! I’ll look for the post.)

From your link -

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany faced a barrage of questions from the media on Wednesday over coronavirus concerns ahead of President Trump’s rally in Tulsa, Okla., on Saturday -- but the Trump aide pushed back by asking why they didn't express similar sentiments about the mass protests across the country.


McEnany said that temperature checks, hand sanitizer and masks would be doled out at the Tulsa rally.

"While we appreciate the great concern for our rally goers, you should exhibit that same concern for the protesters who are out there not socially distancing in many cases,” McEnany told reporters, as she called on them to work on their “internal cohesion.”

One reporter noted that while the protests took place outside, Trump’s rally is scheduled at an indoor venue, asking if it was the White House’s position that indoor and outdoor events carried equal risk.


"It’s our position that the media should not be making decisions about their guidelines to us about social distancing based on political ideology or what they think is the worthiness of the cause," she said.

So they are doing temperature checks. Did they do them at the protests? She has some good points.

@margarita25 and @Bravo, what was the outcome after the Super Bowl regarding any increases?

 

[Bravo]

I just hope things are peaceful tonight

 

[margarita25]

From your link -

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany faced a barrage of questions from the media on Wednesday over coronavirus concerns ahead of President Trump’s rally in Tulsa, Okla., on Saturday -- but the Trump aide pushed back by asking why they didn't express similar sentiments about the mass protests across the country.


McEnany said that temperature checks, hand sanitizer and masks would be doled out at the Tulsa rally.

"While we appreciate the great concern for our rally goers, you should exhibit that same concern for the protesters who are out there not socially distancing in many cases,” McEnany told reporters, as she called on them to work on their “internal cohesion.”

One reporter noted that while the protests took place outside, Trump’s rally is scheduled at an indoor venue, asking if it was the White House’s position that indoor and outdoor events carried equal risk.


"It’s our position that the media should not be making decisions about their guidelines to us about social distancing based on political ideology or what they think is the worthiness of the cause," she said.

So they are doing temperature checks. Did they do them at the protests? She has some good points.

Temperature checks aren’t a guarantee/

BLM, etc. protestors were outside, many wore masks. Not as high on risk assessment scale, but a risk nonetheless, as I mentioned several times also when that was happening. Not sure why people assume if you have concerns it’s based on a political agenda. Has nothing to do with that (for me anyway).

Also, focusing on the past about the protestors, I was concerned about that too then, but what matters is today going forward, not jumping off a bridge and instigating mass spread because someone else did. Especially when you are sworn leader of a nation.
Protestors aren’t sworn in to protect your citizens and do everything to protect them and help lead them out of this mess.

I could write a book.

It could be a Queen of Sheba rally or democratic rally, end result is the same.

Indoor is indoor. No masks is no masks. No social distancing is no social distancing. Social responsibility is social responsibility. Leadership and setting an example is leadership and setting an example, and not blatantly violating the medical advice of endless doctors, experts and CDC.

 

[Bravo]

Lordy, social distancing and wearing masks is based on Science. KM makes me beyond crazy. It's common sense to follow the Scientific facts.

 

[mickey2942]

Lordy, social distancing and wearing masks is based on Science. KM makes me beyond crazy. It's common sense to follow the Scientific facts.

We haven't seen much of Dr. Birx or Dr. Fauci lately.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I'll tell ya what i am doing today, being a fan of horse racing, i watched the Royal
Ascot races this morning---no fans allowed and no queen in her horse drawn
carriage and I will be watching the Belmont Stakes-- the track holds 90,000
fans---none of which are allowed ---no fans--- this is what a sane approach
to a pandemic looks like--this is what a serious approach to a killing virus looks
like- what is occurring in Oaklahoma is a reckless disregard for humanity.

My money's on Tiz The Law - for good reason

 

[ilovewings]

They could need to use it if they visit the toilets. I wouldn't call it a waste of time.

the reason i say this is beause there is a much greater chance of contracting the
virus thru aerosolization with 20000 screaming shouting people standing
shoulder to shoulder, as opposed from a surface

 

[ilovewings]

My money's on Tiz The Law - for good reason

me too!!!!

 

[tresir2012]

They have not been around Trump. They went to Tulsa a week or so ago.
Moo

But everyone is getting temperature checked. I guess some asymptomatics could get in. But they wont be huffing and puffing it into the air if they are asymptomatic. We cannot be wrapped in cotton wool forever. As I keep saying, the main concern is can the health service cope and that is the main impetus all along. The governments are not interested in getting the R number to zero everywhere, only below 1. MOO.