Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #62

[10ofRods]

Yes, cases have gone up. But deaths have decreased by 90%.

And I think that is because the age of the cases has gone from average age of 62 down to average age of 37.

All us old folks that haven't died already, are hiding out at home. So the virus is finding new hosts that are much younger. And they are not dying at the same high rates. JMO

But that's not the chief reason for the decline and the demographic groups haven't yet shifted to predominately younger people. We need 3-5 weeks for that to occur.

Right now, the lower death rates are held by experts to be closely tied to people staying home. We are still only 35-38% as active as we were before March 1. You are right that many older people are staying home, but right now the dip in deaths is more related to staying home than to age.

We should see case mortality rates come down, for sure - but the number of cases is now at an all time high (per day) and getting higher every day (as predicted).

The big question is how many people aged 64 and younger will die in the next couple of months, and will infection rates go up or down. If they stay the same or go up, then the old and vulnerable will still stay home (and that includes young people with either type of diabetes).

But right now, the drop has nothing to do with a change in the age of the dead people. It's still mostly old people and we have plenty more old people who can get it - not everyone is as protected as some of us are. I can see it merely by driving around my area or watching webcams - plenty of unmasked older people out and about. There are still nursing home hotspots too.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

IMO people should be accountable for their own action. Just because there’s a rally doesn’t mean you need to attend. If you choose to attend that’s on you.

But then you should self quarantine afterwards so you don't infect others, just as if you'd visited a virus ridden country.

It's like with drink driving - sure, get drunk and wrap your car round a tree, your lookout. But please don't kill innocent pedestrians or other drivers while you're doing it.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

But then you should self quarantine afterwards so you don't infect others.

It's like with drink driving - sure, get drunk and wrap your car round a tree, your lookout. But please don't kill innocent pedestrians or other drivers while you're doing it.

If their not worried by going to a rally they certainly aren’t going to self quarantine after they attend. No different than the protesters.

ETA: Drunk driving is also against the law. People attending rally’s aren’t breaking the law by going.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

IMO people should be accountable for their own action. Just because there’s a rally doesn’t mean you need to attend. If you choose to attend that’s on you.

And it's also "On" everyone you come in contact with over the coming days, if you contract the virus while there.

 

[10ofRods]

Or the ones like DH, who have had it already and feel invincible, and he goes about his business as usual. Hopefully true.

I did hear a statement from Dr. Jen Ashton on GMA one morning that it's possible antibodies only last up to 2 months. If that's the case then there would be no herd immunity. So many unknowns with this virus.

On a positive note, one's immune system does store limited information about past infections, so even if antibodies don't last, the second course of the same illness should be a bit better (unless the immune system falters, which is rare for most people).

Also, based on past work with other SARS-corona viruses (1), it's probably going to be good for more than a couple of months, if the person actually was symptomatic and especially if they got a fever.

But you're right - we just don't know enough yet.

 

[margarita25]

I expect that most places have a mandatory shirt & shoes policy. I've decided that I longer wish to wear those in public. It violates my rights. I wonder if they'll enforce that when I walk into a restaurant or store.

It violates my rights to have to breathe in someone else’s sick germs in a public place that I too have every right to attend, when that can be consciously and responsibly minimized.

So basically what happens now is people who were hoping to responsibility go to the store, etc., now can not because of other people’s selfishness. Right not to wear a mask? I haVe a right not to have to breathe in your COVID in somewhere that I too am free to go.

Where is the fairness in that? They think they’re above the law on medical recommendations? And infecting others? Not even trying???

Disgusting. Stay at home and congregate outdoors if you don’t want to wear a mask— Public Health is Public Health. It’s not just one person’s life here, it is risky to other people’s lives. How selfish people can not realize this is beyond me, jmo.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

If their not worried by going to a rally they certainly aren’t going to self quarantine after they attend. No different than the protesters.

Exactly. Selfish as hell. It's the same with the idiots cramming the beaches in the UK today, yet again. Let them all get ill but put them at the back of the treatment line, save the invaluable time of the doctors and nurses to care for someone who's been more considerate.

I have no sympathy for someone who drinks and drives and ends up dead.
I am furious if they killed or injured others.
I have no sympathy for those attending non-essential mass gatherings of any type, and catch Covid.
I am furious if they go home and granny ends up dead because they passed the virus on.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[margarita25]

IMO people should be accountable for their own action. Just because there’s a rally doesn’t mean you need to attend. If you choose to attend that’s on you.

Hi Tippy,

It’s not just about THEM. It’s about EVERYBODY. You think they’ll all stay at home and not infect others??? That’s where this logic so clearly fails: it’s not about just them. Clearly and very obviously this is about containing transmission and minimizing risk to ALL.

 

[tresir2012]

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And still an unsustainable cycle. Seems that capacity will need to increase.

Well it seems these are younger people with it, from the protests and other gatherings, so I do not necessarily believe the cases will end up in such a high death rate as previously seen. It is all a bit experimental still as the experts themselves don't really know enough yet IMO.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Orange County, CA

1. June 21 - 431 New Cases
2. June 20 - 402 New Cases
3. June 24 - 354 New Cases

1. June 24 - 26 Deaths (All Time High)

 

[10ofRods]

I wonder why McDonald's needs so many new employees?


Mcdonald’s Looks To Hire 260,000 People This Summer

"McDonald’s announced plans to hire more than 200,000 people this summer in the U.S. as it returns to normal business operations.

CNN reported that the added staffing comes as the restaurant chains prepare to reopen its dining rooms after many were closed due to the pandemic. The company laid out safety precautions for reopening, including social distancing, blocked-off tables, and closing its self-serve beverage bar.

More than 95 percent of its restaurants have continued to operate in some capacity through the shutdowns.

"We've put new minimum national standards and nearly 50 new processes in place in our restaurants as they continue to reopen safely and judiciously," said Joe Erlinger, president of McDonald's USA, in Thursday's press release. The company employs around 850,000 people in the United States."

Well, where I live, no one is going to restaurants and many people are used to eating out frequently. My students, for example, report that they eat out once a day. They go with their families to eat out 2-3 times a week (these are mostly lower middle class and working class families). So now instead of going to eat at their local eateries, it's all drive-through.

Every drive-through I go by has a huge line (sometimes with 6-8 outdoor order takers). McDonald's is doing well, as usual.

The trend toward most new jobs being minimum wage therefore continues. Where I live, families are joining households and pooling the funds for rent.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Hi Tippy,

It’s just aboutabout THEM. It’s about RRVeRyBOdY. You think they’ll all stay at home and not infect others??? That’s where this logic so clearly fails: it’s not about just them. Clearly and very obviously this is about containing transmission and minimizing risk to ALL.

That’s the reason why I take precautions and hunker down without my normal social life. Or maybe I’m more anti-social than I knew.....LOL!
You know the saying, “ you can’t fix stupid.” Yep....too many of them out there making very poor decisions.

 

[margarita25]

Here is my previous post spelling out the difference. The words may be the same, but the reason they are used is totally different.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/coronavirus-covid-19-global-health-pandemic-62.528554/page-34#post

If the difference still isn’t clear to you, I can’t help you and I’m not going to argue with you.

I’ll try to help spell it out one more time.

How about some thoughts from an Asian American doctor who is on the front lines, and what she and others have to say about it. They’re the ones who are facing the racism. How dare a non Asian defend this. They’re not Asian, just like who the hell is a white person to defend racism against blacks when they’re not the ones being discriminated against??

This is scary, Lilibet, and frankly stunning, that especially in the face of all the emphasis on racial sensitivity and equality, that we have to even defend this. Unbelievable.

Here's the interview:

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Eta: @SoCalDavidS , found the graph re: US vs EU see 1:40.

 

[Bravo]

Have seen the phrase so many times since the start "We are all in this together" Now it seems to be "Us and Them"

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I think some of you need to familiarise yourselves with the size of states, the demography, and population density.

New Jersey, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maryland, Delaware, New York, Florida have the highest population densities in the US. Are those state names ringing any bells?

It doesn't take a genius to work out that population density of cities / states / countries has the highest impact of any variable in the spread of this virus. Living density shows an even more obvious correlation.

*sigh*

 

[tresir2012]

The problem with this is they've used the highest of high days against the lowest of low days.

If we compare with the other way round, using similar dates:

On April 26th 1,158 people died of the coronavirus. Yesterday 863 died.

A drop of about 20% in the same time frame. Neither my statement, nor the one you quoted, is accurate because the numbers have been picked to reflect best/worst scenarios. The average weekly number IS dropping but certainly not that fast, therefore it wasn't widely reported because it is not true.

You have to compare the weekly percentage increase to get a more meaningful idea of the fall. I have done it with the UK weekly deaths, for example and it has dropped from a weekly increase of 394% to 2% this week. I have been doing it manually myself for the UK figures. Luckily, in the UK, all our nations and regions are at a similar stage of the pandemic, whereas that does not seem to be the case in the US.

 

[anneg]

It Took One Person, And One Errand, To Infect My Entire Family With COVID-19

Family With COVID-19

Thanks for this! I just read the entire story and it's well worth the time to read it, IMO.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

You have to compare the weekly percentage increase to get a more meaningful idea of the fall. I have done it with the UK weekly deaths, for example and it has dropped from a weekly increase of 394% to 2% this week. I have been doing it manually myself for the UK figures.

I agree. Which is why I am pointing out how picking two "favourable" dates then declaring a 90% drop based solely on those two dates is not at all accurate.

 

[10ofRods]

As a Californian, I'm glad that it appears I get to be the one to break this news.

CA just announced a new All Time Record with 7,149 New Cases yesterday.

This one was a hard one to "like." While people are happy to see "deaths down," the people infected in Texas, Florida, Washington, Arizona, California and other places are in very large numbers. Only 1-5% of Americans in most states have antibodies. The rest are sitting ducks and we haven't seen the virus really take hold yet.

It's now taking hold of the entire population. While it seems clear that under-20's will fare well, people will be upset to see just how sick many 20-64 year olds are about to get. 30% of younger cases in my county are now hospitalized in the largest jump in hospitalizations so far. Hardly anyone is getting tested unless they have symptoms (I believe it's Oregon where 35% of those tested are testing positive - that's new and not exactly good news).

Interestingly, in a new study of an entire town in Italy where almost the whole population got CoVid, almost no children had antibodies. If they had them, they were in very low amounts that are likely not protective. So children can get (and transmit) CoVid more than once. That'll be interesting. Paris just shut its second school. They now know that lots of kids in those schools are CV+ but they didn't notice the infections until adult staff got sick.

That's what we get to look forward to in the fall. Fortunately, most children are not as viral as, say, 18-30 year olds. But when you hear that many staff (teachers and others) at European schools are getting CoVid at work, it's sobering.

 

[tabitha111]

I was seeing a glimmer of hope that this Canadian would eventually see my American Family. Now that hope is pretty much dashed. For some time I'm sure.

My niece lives in Toronto, arrived 2 days ago and she is now visiting my sister (her mom) and her other sister in Virginia for three weeks. Why can't you see your American family?