Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #62

[Deleted member 158085]

I’ve been fuming. My nephew went to my parents’ place today without a mask, announcing that he refuses to wear one. Everyone was too shocked to say anything about it. I could kick his butt into next Sunday. I was not there, unfortunately. (This idiot nephew is an adult, BTW.)

Anyway, according to this he’s probably worse than that.

Psychopathic traits linked to non-compliance with social distancing guidelines amid the coronavirus pandemic

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Pretty said that to this day general public is told to wear homemade masks, instead of making enough N95s for everybody. My understanding about homemade masks, the more layers, the better. Unfortunately you still have to be able to breathe, which becomes harder the more layers the mask has. Apparently using two different materials in one mask, such as cotton and silk, also helps.

IMO, because I probably can’t find the article, silk isn’t a very good option but polyester is. This is what my brain absorbed throughout all this mask-making, anyway.

Yes, mix fabrics at least by using a polyester filter. Use non-woven polyester interfacing to have a sort of built-in filter.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I live in an area classified as a specific Covid-19 Hot Spot in Australia.
In an hours time, the Health Minister will report, on the latest numbers, and possibly further more reimposing of restrictions, which were upgraded a day ago.

I am anxious, yet our numbers are relatively low, in comparison to other parts of the world.
Perhaps, depending on what each of us have been through in our areas with Covid-19, our expectations/fear differ greatly.
When I read here, I am astounded what you guys are going through, and certainly hope things improve.

Plenty of us Americans are alarmed by our situation and numbers. I think more are than will admit it for various reasons.

 

[jjenny]

IMO, because I probably can’t find the article, silk isn’t a very good option but polyester is. This is what my brain absorbed throughout all this mask-making, anyway.

Yes, mix fabrics at least by using a polyester filter. Use non-woven polyester interfacing to have a sort of built-in filter.

Silk is a good fabric to use in masks together with cotton.
"According to their results, one layer of a tightly woven cotton sheet, combined with two layers of polyester-based chiffon—a sheer fabric often used in evening gowns—filtered out the most aerosol particles (80% to 99%, depending on particle size). Substituting the chiffon with natural silk or a polyester-cotton flannel, or simply using a cotton quilt with cotton-polyester batting, produced similar results."
Homemade masks made of silk and cotton may boost protection

 

[Lilibet]

My state of Oregon is one of the states experiencing a surge in cases...not due to more testing. In addition, contact tracing is not able to detect the source of many cases.

Quoting:

The weekly share of Oregonians testing positive has more than doubled since May 15, when the state started reopening. The positive test result rate, which stood at 1.6% of those tested in the week May 16-22, has steadily climbed to 4.1% for the week ending Friday.

That approaches rates not seen in Oregon since mid-April. Public health officials say they’re concerned. And epidemiologists say that while Oregon still has a relatively low positive testing rate and cases per capita of the disease compared to the rest of the nation, once the virus takes root, it can grow exponentially.
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Up until two weeks ago, Oregon had never had a day on which more than 100 cases of COVID-19 were reported. Since then, it’s had 12 such days, and two of them surpassed 200 cases. As of Saturday, the state has recorded 6,750 known cases and 189 people have died from the disease.

BBM
More at link:
More Oregonians catching coronavirus because the virus is spreading more, not just because of increased testing

 

[ilovewings]

I’ve been fuming. My nephew went to my parents’ place today without a mask, announcing that he refuses to wear one. Everyone was too shocked to say anything about it. I could kick his butt into next Sunday. I was not there, unfortunately. (This idiot nephew is an adult, BTW.)

Anyway, according to this he’s probably worse than that.

Psychopathic traits linked to non-compliance with social distancing guidelines amid the coronavirus pandemic

excellent article

 

[mickey2942]

My state of Oregon is one of the states experiencing a surge in cases...not due to more testing. In addition, contact tracing is not able to detect the source of many cases.

Quoting:

The weekly share of Oregonians testing positive has more than doubled since May 15, when the state started reopening. The positive test result rate, which stood at 1.6% of those tested in the week May 16-22, has steadily climbed to 4.1% for the week ending Friday.

That approaches rates not seen in Oregon since mid-April. Public health officials say they’re concerned. And epidemiologists say that while Oregon still has a relatively low positive testing rate and cases per capita of the disease compared to the rest of the nation, once the virus takes root, it can grow exponentially.
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Up until two weeks ago, Oregon had never had a day on which more than 100 cases of COVID-19 were reported. Since then, it’s had 12 such days, and two of them surpassed 200 cases. As of Saturday, the state has recorded 6,750 known cases and 189 people have died from the disease.

BBM
More at link:
More Oregonians catching coronavirus because the virus is spreading more, not just because of increased testing

That would correlate with people who were congregating about 2 weeks ago.

 

[Lilibet]

I’ve been fuming. My nephew went to my parents’ place today without a mask, announcing that he refuses to wear one. Everyone was too shocked to say anything about it. I could kick his butt into next Sunday. I was not there, unfortunately. (This idiot nephew is an adult, BTW.)

Anyway, according to this he’s probably worse than that.

Psychopathic traits linked to non-compliance with social distancing guidelines amid the coronavirus pandemic

I’d be fuming too @JaneEyre!! Interesting article. A few quotes, keeping in mind that this study has limitations:

“I knew that traits from the so-called Dark Triad (narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy) as well as the traits subsumed within psychopathy are linked to health risk behavior and health problems, and I expected them to be implicated in health behaviors during the pandemic.
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Blagov found that lower levels of agreeableness and conscientiousness were associated with a reduced likelihood of endorsing health recommendations related to social distancing and hygiene.
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In addition, people who scored higher on the psychopathic subtraits of meanness and disinhibition tended to show less interest in social distancing and hygiene. Meanness and disinhibition also predicted the endorsement of behavior that puts others at risk of infection,

Psychopathic traits linked to non-compliance with social distancing guidelines amid the coronavirus pandemic

 

[SA55]

I’ve been fuming. My nephew went to my parents’ place today without a mask, announcing that he refuses to wear one. Everyone was too shocked to say anything about it. I could kick his butt into next Sunday. I was not there, unfortunately. (This idiot nephew is an adult, BTW.)

Anyway, according to this he’s probably worse than that.

Psychopathic traits linked to non-compliance with social distancing guidelines amid the coronavirus pandemic

I have new respect for Dr Birx - she so aptly named numerous traits of non-compliant folks. In this article she says "meanness' - that about sums it up without going deeper in psychology, which I could but I won't.
Definitely worth a read

"In addition, people who scored higher on the psychopathic subtraits of meanness and disinhibition tended to show less interest in social distancing and hygiene. Meanness and disinhibition also predicted the endorsement of behavior that puts others at risk of infection"

 

[mickey2942]

@JaneEyre the stupidest thing ever, is the "suggestion" that businesses are responsible for enforcing that their clientele wear masks, or risk being closed.

It is working at Costco, probably because the people who go to Costco are from a higher SES. But other retail stores? Not so much.

My daughter (who works in retail) should not be held accountable to make some jerk who ignores a sign that requests patrons to wear a mask in the store. These people are already delusional, and as your article states, are predisposed to psychopathy.

 

[Lilibet]

That would correlate with people who were congregating about 2 weeks ago.

That could well be true, @mickey2942, especially in counties with larger demonstrations. Now that the smaller demonstrations have faded out in my rural county in southern Oregon, I will be keeping a close eye on whether the increase in cases we are seeing (1-3/day) continues. There are many here who scoff at the virus and refuse to take precautions. As my husband walks around downtown in the evening, the bars are crowded, with no social distancing. While this behavior may not cause a sudden and dramatic increase in cases that we’ve seen recently, over time it certainly doesn’t help keep the curve flattened and erodes the progress that was made earlier. IMO.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Hundreds test positive at Tyson Foods plant in Arkansas

Hundreds test positive at Tyson Foods plant in Arkansas

If this has been posted already, I apologize. Once again we embarrass ourselves on the World stage.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

My daughter (who works in retail) should not be held accountable to make some jerk who ignores a sign that requests patrons to wear a mask in the store. These people are already delusional, and as your article states, are predisposed to psychopathy.

Well that just increases the chances she will become infected with the virus. Doesn't mean she will, but every non-mask wearing person she encounters while working retail, is another opportunity.

Some people play the lottery every day. They may lose a little, or break even, but occasionally, some will hit a big payoff. This is kind of like that, only instead of winning, it's not a good result.

It's just another example of procedures and rules that should be in place if people want to open everything up. Boy are we a selfish country. I want my damn cake....and I'm gonna eat it too. Let's open everything up! ...... Sure, just wear a mask for everyone's protection. ..... NO, don't feel like it. ...... OK, forget I asked.

 

[Lilibet]

@JaneEyre the stupidest thing ever, is the "suggestion" that businesses are responsible for enforcing that their clientele wear masks, or risk being closed.

It is working at Costco, probably because the people who go to Costco are from a higher SES. But other retail stores? Not so much.

My daughter (who works in retail) should not be held accountable to make some jerk who ignores a sign that requests patrons to wear a mask in the store. These people are already delusional, and as your article states, are predisposed to psychopathy.

And if they’re drinking, as my previous post mentioned with regard to no social distancing in local bars, it’s even more dangerous for employees to enforce anything. What a mess!

 

[Deleted member 158085]

@JaneEyre the stupidest thing ever, is the "suggestion" that businesses are responsible for enforcing that their clientele wear masks, or risk being closed.

It is working at Costco, probably because the people who go to Costco are from a higher SES. But other retail stores? Not so much.

My daughter (who works in retail) should not be held accountable to make some jerk who ignores a sign that requests patrons to wear a mask in the store. These people are already delusional, and as your article states, are predisposed to psychopathy.

Point taken. Yet, I won’t return to a store that does not enforce it because my life is too important.

 

[anneg]

I posted this in the Smiles Cafe thread but decided to put it here too. Coronavirus humor from librarians (not sure who they are):

I borrowed this from a relative's FB page. Very clever! I wonder if Websleuths' librarians have seen it.

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[mickey2942]

Point taken. Yet, I won’t return to a store that does not enforce it because my life is too important.

What it really is, is an "out" by spineless politicians who don't want to draw a line in the sand and have some fortitude to make wearing a mask in public a law, or executive order.

So, they pawn it off on people who barely make minimum wage, 40 hours a week, working with the public, wearing a mask to enforce mask wearing with a "psychopath" to care about other people.

Really "love" people who make decisions about this virus from the safety of their home office, doing telework.

 

[10ofRods]

Now that we know the subject is tests per million, how do you think the tests from outdoor events will compare to indoor events?

Or do we already know that from previous links?

My sense, from publications and pre-prints is that indoor is considerably worse than outdoor. Many strands and variables to this conclusion, but all of them support "outdoor is better." By perhaps a very large margin.

 

[Black Widow]

A follow up from discussion the other day with respect to Americans crossing the border into Canada by claiming they are on route to Alaska. At that time I mentioned that Canadians had been asked to report on Americans seen in any area and police would investigate. There was mention at that time that they could be blacklisted from future border crossing. This evening at 6.50 pm June 21, 2020 there was a follow up on our local Global News. It relates mainly to Americans hiking in Banff Alberta. I apologize that I have no idea how to post a link...but the article in part reads as follows:

“In the past week, Mounties ( Royal Canadian Mounted Police) have issued seven $1,200 fines to Americans violating public health orders in Banff National Park.“

“ If a U.S. traveller was allowed into Canada by Canadian Border Services for an essential travel,purpose, they have to abide by the requirements and obey the Public Health Order.”

Paraphrasing now ....it would mean to travel from point A, the border to point B, being your essential destination and stopping only for food, gas and rest stops. Activities like hiking in a national park and I would presume visiting beaches etc would be considered non essential and currently all non essential border crossing is prohibited.

 

[10ofRods]

I know they were to speak to the overflow crowd. There was no overflow crowd.

Do you have a link for the above? I missed seeing this in MSM.

Thanks.

Well yes, but I don't have time to find the exact spot. It unfolded in real time and here is the streamed video:

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There was an "overflow crowd" at first (small) but I think they were invited inside. So by the time Pence was to speak there was almost no crowd (IIRC, it's like 500 people at max) and then when Trump comes by, I missed seeing his entrance, but he doesn't speak and I believe several MSM outlets reported when the outdoor stage struck down and there were no people left outside.