Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #62

[ilovewings]

It’s certainly such a difficult equation to balance.

One thing we do know, is that MANY places that reopened, too many to name, have had to close down again.

The whole idea is to have responsible phased openings, based on current numbers and trends, as is the case with NY.

If opening is not done correctly, then that’s where issues can be exacerbated.

If people don’t even try to help reduce risks and transmission, then the results are even more devastating.

The concept that is missing, imo, is that the more we do our individual parts to help slow the spread, the better chances we have of sustaining and rebuilding the work places. Super spreading surely isn’t the answer.

You make too much sense!!!!

 

[gngr~snap]

Deaths lag behind because it takes a while for a covid patient to die. Also, if infections are trending younger, less people will die because older people are most at risk of dying.

MOO
Younger will not die anytime soon, but there is a great chance that they will be affected for a lifetime.
The damage done by the virus can not be undone.
COVID19 is set on killing it's host.
Young people need to wake up!
Even with few to no symptoms, they may still experience adverse effects months or years later.
Lifelong Lung Damage: A Serious COVID-19 Complication

 

[margarita25]

Global Deaths Due to Various Causes and COVID-19

OMG!!!!! Must see, this is incredible! What an awesome graphic!!!!

This reminds me—

I saw a news video last night of a hospital loading up bodies into a truck.

Gah, forgot what my point was about that, specifically.

eta:
Well, the sentence stands alone. I don’t need to even remember what the other half was. The fact that bodies are still being loaded into trucks says enough.

 

[jjenny]

OMG!!!!! Must see, this is incredible! What an awesome graphic!!!!

This reminds me—

I saw a news video last night of a hospital loading up bodies into a truck.

Gah, forgot what my point was

On a bright side, malaria is in second place. Considering we have purchased millions of doses of hydroxychlroquine that doesn't work for covid, maybe we can done them to countries that need to fight malaria.

 

[margarita25]

I think the recent “flare up” in Beijing is important, and something to closely monitor. This paints a picture and provides a potentially worrisome glimpse into the future.

Seems we are screwed without a vaccine. Plain and simple, moo.

One thing that WHO keeps stressing in their conferences is the areas of the world who have very proactively and responsibly gotten their numbers down need to be aware about the potential for these “flare ups” and the importance of having mobilization for this in place.

 

[KALI]

Thank you Katydid for another of your intelligent posts.
Absolutely, this country and the States that make up the whole of the United States of America, cannot continue this lockdown.
In my opinion, the aftermath of the economic shutdown is going to be the biggest financial shakeup that the United States of America has ever seen in it's history.
As a small yet successful business in California.
We have been decimated.
The entire State of California has been decimated as of the latest figures.
In my opinion these figures will only get worse.
Right now, California is claiming a budget deficit of 54 Billion dollars.
As a restaurant, allowed to only operate at 50% of occupancy, there is no way to make a profit.
So what does a person do?
#1. You pay for the home roof over your head.
You pay to keep your utilities on.
The very LAST thing you do is send money to your government.
Surviving always comes first, and it always will.
I have a lot to say about where the California Politicians like to spend taxpayers like us, money, but this is not the forum for this.
All I can say, hopefully without being banned, is that, the economic fallout from COVID-19 is going to be horrific and consequently devastating to millions.
Why is the media ignoring the stories of hardworking Americans?
That IS the Story!
Who cares about a few blocks in Seattle when millions of lives are being turned upside down?

How could we stretch this lockdown out until 2021?

Maybe you don't have to make a living to support yourself in lockdown, but most people do.
How can anyone expect to have any businesses, stores, jobs, supply lines, etc, if we stayed locked down until 2021?

 

[Lilibet]

"State health authorities said this week that more than 230 cases were tied to an outbreak at the Lighthouse Pentecostal Church in Union County, which held services in defiance of Oregon's stay-at-home order."
236 people got the coronavirus after an Oregon church held services during lockdown — more evidence that religious gatherings are superspreading hot spots

It seems that churches who defy government orders believe that these precautions limiting the size of gatherings is an attack on freedom of religion. I’m in Oregon and I have to say that not gathering as usual since mid-March has in no way infringed on my Constitutional right to freedom of religion. Gathering on Zoom has been very successful for our congregation and many others. Before and after we visit in smaller Zoom “Breakout rooms.” We have adapted other work we do to methods that do not endanger others, because that shows love of neighbor. Financial contributions we choose to make can be done online or picked up by ones who are assigned. It can be done. We will do this as long as we need to for our safety and the safety of others. Because, again....love of neighbor. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
JMO

 

[mickey2942]

https://nypost.com/2020/06/22/man-refusing-to-wear-mask-fights-his-way-into-walmart-in-florida/

A day in the life, working in retail.

 

[margarita25]

Qmfr / for clarity: I’m reading this back and realize I was not clear in my quote in the first paragraph. What I meant was that it was stated in a video that parents didn’t want to bring their kids to the rally because they were afraid of the protestors there)

One thing I thought was, um, “ironic”, shall we say, is that in the NBC news video I posted here, there was talk about rally numbers being low “because parents had to stay home with the kids because they were worried about their children’s safety due to dangerous “protestors””.

But they’re not worried about their child getting MIS-C??

No way in HELL I’d take my little child into a high risk situation like that. IMO this is parental negligence. Worse than negligence, it’s blatantly endangering the safety of their CHILD imo.

I’ll tell ya right now, if we see an innocent child contracting MIS-C from that rally (or ANY event including protesting), it’s going to be a SAD, SAD day. Even more sad than it already is, if that’s even possible.

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Let’s see what the latest is on MIS-C...

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Eta / new msm (SMDH):

Geisinger Doc: MIS-C can be subtle, keep children away from big crowds |

Gee ya think!?

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Requesting permission from @sillybilly for a thread on MIS-C? Tia.

 

[Trino]

Those of us on the other side of the issue say exactly the same thing. And I'm not trying to be funny or glib. We are really angry about this. Those of us that understand that there is a very real possibility that this virus will be with us forever are not going to sit at home, waiting for a day that may never come.

The early mortality rate was the result of a new disease ravaging an at-risk population. Treatment pathways are improving every day, just as we learn more about who is at risk, and why (diabetes, for example, is now "un-managed" diabetes.)

There is probably about a month left, before the dam breaks - eventually more people will look at mortality instead of cases, and when the $600/week checks end, a tsunami of new folks will rejoin society.

Rejoin society, assuming their jobs are still waiting.
"Friday’s U.S. jobs report from the Labor Department is expected to show U.S. employers shed nearly 30 million positions from payrolls this spring as a result of the coronavirus pandemic and related shutdowns—but that is just one of several varying estimates of job destruction.

Other data suggest layoffs might have topped 40 million, while another count shows only about 20 million are tapping unemployment benefits. No matter the measure, job loss triggered by the pandemic is historically high and likely to leave a lasting..."
Jun 3 How Many U.S. Workers Have Lost Jobs During Coronavirus Pandemic? There Are Several Ways to Count

 

[Deleted member 158085]

How are parents supposed to go back to work when they have no childcare?
Not everyone can work from home.

Businesses are opening but childcare is lagging behind due to all the new restrictions and limiting the number of children. People are afraid to tell employers no much longer - they need their jobs to support their family.

So do they ask grandparents who have carefully maintained their isolation?
I don’t see a sustainable outcome.
JMO

Maybe teenage babysitting makes a comeback. Maybe 13 and 14 year old siblings end up watching their younger siblings like in the good old days. Maybe we see latchkey kids again. IDK. Gen X turned out fine and that’s basically how “childcare” was handled then. I’m not advocating for some of what we did, like 13 year olds actually caring for infants. But I can see room for letting kids of a certain age be more responsible.

 

[MrX]

Rejoin society, assuming their jobs are still waiting.
"Friday’s U.S. jobs report from the Labor Department is expected to show U.S. employers shed nearly 30 million positions from payrolls this spring as a result of the coronavirus pandemic and related shutdowns—but that is just one of several varying estimates of job destruction.

Other data suggest layoffs might have topped 40 million, while another count shows only about 20 million are tapping unemployment benefits. No matter the measure, job loss triggered by the pandemic is historically high and likely to leave a lasting..."
Jun 3 How Many U.S. Workers Have Lost Jobs During Coronavirus Pandemic? There Are Several Ways to Count

This is what is so infuriating to those of us that are out there trying to keep the world turning. I used to want to scream when someone said they were staying home for another week because "next week will be one week 'safer' than this week." Well, as most of us knew, that was never going to be the case. So now they sit at home hoping that the rest of us will keep their restaurants and bars and music venues and galleries and museums afloat until some magical "cure" makes everything "OK." I've given up on them - it's time to fill the void. Good to see some like-minded members <modsnip>

 

[10ofRods]

This is what is so infuriating to those of us that are out there trying to keep the world turning. I used to want to scream when someone said they were staying home for another week because "next week will be one week 'safer' than this week." Well, as most of us knew, that was never going to be the case. So now they sit at home hoping that the rest of us will keep their restaurants and bars and music venues and galleries and museums afloat until some magical "cure" makes everything "OK." I've given up on them - it's time to fill the void. Good to see some like-minded members - sometimes the endless hysteria gets a bit soul crushing.

Or, we sit at home not really caring about restaurants because they weren't a big deal for us, anyway. Restaurant business where I live thrived during tourist season, rest of the year is weak.

I used to order a lot of delivery, but after a couple of food poisoning incidents, we stopped.

I don't really care if any people "keep restaurants open." I do care that we can't find people to hire for needed jobs where I live (restaurant worker isn't one of them, which is sad for that business, but there are tons of other jobs - people will have to retrain, as people have done before).

It's a huge upheaval, but you can't make people go outside if they don't want to or can find a way to make a living from home. I'm truly surprised how many people already figured out how to work from home.

Music venues are likely going to suffer very badly, as it was the older people who flocked to the larger ones, and it's smaller clubs that host the packed youth crowds.

That's just the way it is. Freedom to spend our discretionary dollars as we wish (right now, I"m saving mine - but that started quite a bit before CV).

I'm not an hysteric. And I used to be more of a risk-taker, but I'm perfectly happy working from home, glad I figured out how to do it and love to give to certain causes, rather than eat out or go to the theater.

Live music was getting thin in my taste group anyway. It's over - that party is over, and it's okay if some of us want to mourn.

 

[10ofRods]

Maybe teenage babysitting makes a comeback. Maybe 13 and 14 year old siblings end up watching their younger siblings like in the good old days. Maybe we see latchkey kids again. IDK. Gen X turned out fine and that’s basically how “childcare” was handled then. I’m not advocating for some of what we did, like 13 year olds actually caring for infants. But I can see room for letting kids of a certain age be more responsible.

Here in the L.A. area, latch key kids have been a thing forever. I guess my grandparents were latchkey kids, too.

I don't see how it was so harmful (just as you say).

And where I live, 12-14 year olds already watch their younger sibs quite a bit. So, I guess it's different elsewhere, but many of us are already in communities were social ties (rather than money) help people care for younger kids.

 

[Trino]

Thank you Katydid for another of your intelligent posts.
Absolutely, this country and the States that make up the whole of the United States of America, cannot continue this lockdown.
In my opinion, the aftermath of the economic shutdown is going to be the biggest financial shakeup that the United States of America has ever seen in it's history.
As a small yet successful business in California.
We have been decimated.
The entire State of California has been decimated as of the latest figures.
In my opinion these figures will only get worse.
Right now, California is claiming a budget deficit of 54 Billion dollars.
As a restaurant, allowed to only operate at 50% of occupancy, there is no way to make a profit.
So what does a person do?
#1. You pay for the home roof over your head.
You pay to keep your utilities on.
The very LAST thing you do is send money to your government.
Surviving always comes first, and it always will.
I have a lot to say about where the California Politicians like to spend taxpayers like us, money, but this is not the forum for this.
All I can say, hopefully without being banned, is that, the economic fallout from COVID-19 is going to be horrific and consequently devastating to millions.
Why is the media ignoring the stories of hardworking Americans?
That IS the Story!
Who cares about a few blocks in Seattle when millions of lives are being turned upside down?

Good post. Guess you may call me a pessimist because I am not seeing a good way out of COVID-19. The virus is again taking hold, rising in 24 states as of today, and we are not yet to phase two.
How to survive? People survived during the Great Depression, but, of course, the virus is pushing us beyond 1929 economics. Survival is going to be trying both physical and economics, and many are unprepared. Wish us luck.

 

[margarita25]

Florida Passes 100,000 COVID-19 Cases

“Florida has hit a grim milestone — passing 100,000 cases of the coronavirus. The latest report from the state's Department of Health adds 2,926 new infections to the total number of COVID-19 cases, which now stands at 100,217 with 3,173 deaths.”

Along with Florida, six other states have registered more than 100,000 cases: New York, California, New Jersey, Illinois, Texas and Massachusetts

 

[MimosaMornings]

Here in the L.A. area, latch key kids have been a thing forever. I guess my grandparents were latchkey kids, too.

I don't see how it was so harmful (just as you say).

And where I live, 12-14 year olds already watch their younger sibs quite a bit. So, I guess it's different elsewhere, but many of us are already in communities were social ties (rather than money) help people care for younger kids.

Latchkey kids have been around for quite a while. I was a latchkey looking after youngers, back then it was called being the oldest child lol.

In my extended family and friends group, the oldest child in the families are around 8-9 years old with younger siblings. I’m not sure if an 8-9 year old would be able to handle watching younger siblings for 7-8 hours while their parent goes to work. Used to be aunts/uncles and grandparents would gladly help - but that exposes them and increases the risk after being so careful the past 4-5 months.

 

[margarita25]

Houston:

Texas Children's Hospital admitting adult patients to free up hospital beds in Houston

“HOUSTON — Texas Governor Greg Abbott acknowledged Monday there are some alarming coronavirus trends in Texas over the last week and the virus "must be corralled."

"COVID-19 is spreading at an unacceptable rate in Texas," the governor said.

Texas reported its largest daily increase in COVID-19 cases since the pandemic began on Saturday. Hospitalization numbers are up 126% statewide since Memorial Day.

When comparing the numbers in late May to the last five days, they've at least doubled across the board.”

[...]

"”If that spike continues, further action will be necessary," Abbott said. "We don't have to choose between jobs and health We can have both. We can protect Texans lives while also restoring their livelihoods."

Abbott said closing down Texas again will be the last resort but it could happen.

"If we do not start wearing masks to slow the spread of COVID-19, it could result in [businesses] actually having to close back down," Gov. Abbott said. "Our goal is to keep businesses open, to keep society engaged, and one of the most effective tools that we can do that is by people wearing masks."“

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Gov. Abbott says 'tougher actions will be required' if COVID-19 case counts continue climb

“On Monday, Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner said the health department is reporting some of the highest numbers the city has had since the start of the pandemic.

"We are moving very fast and we are moving very fast in the wrong direction," said Mayor Turner. "The course that we are currently on is not in the best interest of our city or state."

Dr. Marc Boom, CEO and President of Houston Methodist, and a member of COVID-19 response in the Texas Medical Center said Methodist hospitals have seen triple the amount of COVID-19 patients in the month of June.“

[...]

Public safety impacted after dozens of firefighters, police quarantined due to COVID-19, chief says
According to Houston Fire Chief Sam Pena, 146 HPD officers have tested positive for the virus and more than 80 firefighters are currently in quarantine.

[...]

“"It is getting critical," said Chief Pena. "For the fire department, the numbers are even more pronounced."

Chief Pena said the Houston Fire Department has seen a 140 percent increase in firefighters needing to quarantine in the last 10 days.”

[...]

“Chief Pena and city leaders are pleading with the public to mask up, social distance and practice good hygiene.

"This is very real," said Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner. "This is a healthcare crisis."“

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Houston mayor says city 'moving very fast in the wrong direction' as record cases reported

“Turner's remarks came as the city reported 1,789 new COVID-19 cases, adding to Houston's total of 14,322. Monday's total is the most the city has reported in one day so far.

"There were 1,789 new cases (over Sunday and Monday.) So this is, this is very real. This is a healthcare crisis. And quite frankly, your failure, for example, to wear masks and or to engage in social distancing directly impacts on somebody else," said a clearly exasperated mayor.“

 

[margarita25]

Louisiana:

Phase 3 in Louisiana put off amid coronavirus spike; here's how long Phase 2 might last

Louisiana to stay at Phase Two

Louisiana reacts to Gov. John Bel Edwards' plan to delay Phase 3 of coronavirus reopening


(Slightly O/T )
Hepatitis A cases increasing in Louisiana with more than 16 cases reported in Lafayette Parish

New WS Louisiana thread here with more articles:
Louisiana - Coronavirus COVID-19

 

[Rocco]

Or, we sit at home not really caring about restaurants because they weren't a big deal for us, anyway.

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SBM

The people who worked at those restaurants no longer have jobs. The owners of the restaurants no longer have a business. The city no longer collects sales tax from income generated by those restaurants. The owner of the building where the restaurant is housed, no longer collects rent. The closing of any business in a city, impacts the economy of the city---which impacts you---whether you frequented that business often or never.

Two major chain stores in our city closed today. I've never shopped at either of them, nor ever planned to, but I find it troubling that they've closed---and I DO care.