Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #62

[Recidivist]

So, I am not a conspiracy theorist and so I'm just sitting here flabbergasted. Phoenix is now going exponential in terms of cases. Hopefully, every single attendee will be young enough to survive this (with only 4 on 10,000 people actually dying and 20 in 10,000 with a hospital stay of 2-4 weeks - or more).

I'd urge older people not to go to the rally, to avoid those who did, and stay away from public life as much as possible until the bubble bursts on this next wave. Unless, of course, your desire is to roll the dice and try for immunity that is either temporary or not.

No one will wear masks. Of course, hopefully, a lot of people won't show up. I am really feeling the pain (especially on other forums) of parents who are having to come to turns with their own risk while still living with their adult children.

We haven't heard from our Canadian friend whose son had to come back to roost, for quite a while. I hope @otto is okay.

And in another news, Yosemite had to close campgrounds again due to becoming a hot spot.

I didn't hear about Yosemite. I have reservations for Aug. 23 at Camp Curry. I hope it will be safe to go.

 

[10ofRods]

Yosemite news is on www.sfgate.com

Sometimes they don't update their website as quickly as I'd like

 

[Recidivist]

Yosemite news is on www.sfgate.com

Sometimes they don't update their website as quickly as I'd like

Thanks. I read SFGate every day, but didn't see the story this morning.

 

[10ofRods]

No one knows. I guess the jump on total lockdown comes from China that did not get the Wuhan virus under control until they instituted a complete lockdown, including welding non-compliers into their homes. Also, Italy began locking down the areas with the most cases piecemeal, going from Lombardy, to Northern Italy to all of Italy, for example.

The problem with total lockdown is that it is not sustainable. I think the Chinese / Japanese models make the most sense. Lockdown hot spots - just like they used to lock down areas with polio and encourage mitigation on the Japanese model:

Japanese model -

Avoid

• Confined spaces
• Crowds
• Contact (Wear a Mask, Wash your hands, Watch your distance)

China used some severe responses (short term) that would have had to be federal level for the US and still would have been super controversial. We don't have centralized control over our people like China does. There are many other factors of course.

But yes, having a significant number of people wear masks and wash hands things get better. China literally locked people in, if they were CV+. They didn't "self-quarantine."

 

[mickey2942]

Europe likely to extend ban on US travelers over coronavirus response

Looks like travel to Europe is going to be cancelled this Summer. United States citizens are not welcome anymore.

 

[10ofRods]

My first thought was, "hey, if he survives, at least he might not have to worry about not taking the vaccine, since he might then have antibodies." Of course, that verdict is still out.

Yeah, I was wondering if that was his (misguided) strategy). Even a minor loss of muscle mass or a minor intrusion of CoVid into his central nervous system may change his ability to play tennis forever. People are ending up in bed for weeks. It's a hard road back

But yes, it did occur to me that he preferred to do it this way, rather than via vaccine. ""SMH""

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Coronavirus: UK must prepare for a second wave of coronavirus, health leaders warn

Health leaders are calling for an urgent review to ensure Britain is properly prepared for the "real risk" of a second wave of coronavirus.

Ministers have been warned that urgent action is needed to prevent further loss of life and to protect the economy amid growing fears of a renewed outbreak in the winter.

The appeal is backed by the presidents of the Royal Colleges of Physicians, Surgeons, GPs and Nursing - as well as the chairman of the British Medical Association.

In an open letter to the leaders of all the UK political parties published in the British Medical Journal, the health leaders call for a "rapid and forward-looking assessment" of the state of national preparedness in the event of a renewed flare-up.

"While the future shape of the pandemic in the UK is hard to predict, the available evidence indicates that local flare ups are increasingly likely and a second wave a real risk," they said.

"Many elements of the infrastructure needed to contain the virus are beginning to be put in place, but substantial challenges remain.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Fears over reopening islands here, and warning over 'disturbing' surge in US: Today's Covid-19 main points

Ireland

A FURTHER THREE people with Covid-19 have died in Ireland, the Department of Health has confirmed.

Ten new cases of the virus were also confirmed yesterday evening.

It means a total of 1,720 people have died with the disease in this country, and there have been 25,391 cases to date.

As of midnight on Monday, 22 June, 404,989 tests had been carried out in Ireland. Over the past week, 18,368 tests were carried out; 97 tests were positive, giving a positivity rate of 0.5%.

Dr Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, said the success of the testing system is “dependent on people isolating and coming forward to their GP as soon as they experience symptoms”.

“Cough, fever, shortness of breath, change in smell or taste, flu like symptoms should be treated as COVID-19 until a GP assessment or test deems otherwise,” he added.

• Three more people have died from the virus in Ireland and a further 10 cases have been diagnosed, according to the latest figures.
• The government has been accused of creating divisions in west coast island communities over plans to re-open the region under the Covid-19 road map.
• About 82% of Irish adults are willing to download a contact-tracing app to their smartphone to curb the Covid-19 pandemic, according to a new study. However, some people have raised privacy concerns about the app.
• The Covid-19 infection rate of Irish healthcare workers is the highest in the world, INMO General Secretary Phil Ní Sheaghdha has told the Special Covid-19 committee. However, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has disputed some of the figures.
• The National Transport Authority has encouraged commuters to consider cycling or walking as alternatives to using public transport in the coming weeks.
• Prison visits will begin again on 20 July, with all prisoners entitled to receive one physical visit per fortnight of 15 minutes or less. Prisoners will be allowed to opt for two video visits instead, while physical visits will be limited to one adult.
• Drinks giant Diageo plans to launch a $100m (about €88.4 million) global fund to help pubs and bars recover as restrictions start to ease; €14 million will be allocated to Ireland.

 

[tresir2012]

I'm going out on a limb now, and predict that Britain's re-opening is not going to go well in the coming weeks. We'll be on something like Thread 65 by then.

What is your evidence? Spain, Italy and France have reopened so we are following, as we have been behind them a couple of weeks. Do you anticipate NY is also not going to go well and the other states reopening?

We have our wonderful NHS and no astronomical medical bills so as long as they can cope with an uptick, which they clearly can, we are rejoining society after 3 months. How long have you yourself been in lockdown in your state, just for comparison?

 

[tresir2012]

I would like to believe that if things begin to go poorly in Britain, that they will reverse course. One would hope that having experienced the virus and almost died from it, that the PM would be watching very closely.

He did say that it could be reversed. Everyone understands that.

 

[tresir2012]

These are the businesses in England that can't reopen yet. Despite most of them having already made changes.

Still closed - the shops that won't be reopening

 

[tresir2012]

I am fascinated by this site @weepingangel linked. Thank you!

Hawaii currently has the highest RT.

Rt Covid-19

I know it's pretty neat.
Thanks again @weepingangel .




A graph on Rt.live showing how fast coronavirus is spreading in each state, with Massachusetts at the bottom. (Screenshot via Rt.live)

 

[tresir2012]

Look at us. Right up there with Brazil.

I cannot help thinking it was the gatherings. It's so noticable. So sorry after everyone's hard work staying in lockdown.

 

[tresir2012]

Coronavirus: UK must prepare for a second wave of coronavirus, health leaders warn

Health leaders are calling for an urgent review to ensure Britain is properly prepared for the "real risk" of a second wave of coronavirus.

Ministers have been warned that urgent action is needed to prevent further loss of life and to protect the economy amid growing fears of a renewed outbreak in the winter.

The appeal is backed by the presidents of the Royal Colleges of Physicians, Surgeons, GPs and Nursing - as well as the chairman of the British Medical Association.

In an open letter to the leaders of all the UK political parties published in the British Medical Journal, the health leaders call for a "rapid and forward-looking assessment" of the state of national preparedness in the event of a renewed flare-up.

"While the future shape of the pandemic in the UK is hard to predict, the available evidence indicates that local flare ups are increasingly likely and a second wave a real risk," they said.

"Many elements of the infrastructure needed to contain the virus are beginning to be put in place, but substantial challenges remain.

I think this is important even if there is no second wave, our hospitals often get inundated with flu and pneumonia cases every winter.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

I think this is important even if there is no second wave, our hospitals often get inundated with flu and pneumonia cases every winter.

Yes and also good to be prepared in the event there's ever a new virus pandemic.

 

[tresir2012]

Deaths involving COVID-19, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

 

[SouthAussie]

Eventually the rest of the free world will chafe at the endless cycle of close/open/close. Just follow the news from places like Australia and New Zealand. Single digit cases cause a draconian backlash - it just doesn't sound sustainable.

Casinos are currently taking temperatures at check-in - so I would expect high speed, accurate tests to be developed for things like international travel. Unless things have changed, if two people who don't have the virus come within six feet of each other, the virus doesn't materialize out of nothing.

I am not sure what you mean by draconian backlash. I don't hear of any Aussies complaining about things clamping down in our state of Victoria - which is now experiencing low-double-digit new cases over the last week. While the rest of our states are relaxing their restrictions and life seems fairly 'normal'.

Our defence forces are being sent to Victoria to assist with the very long lines of Victorians who want to be tested.


The ABC understands the Victorian Government has requested 300 ADF personnel, mainly medicos, for logistical support like helping with hotel quarantine and working in hotspot areas.
A spokesman for the Prime Minister said ADF personnel were already on the ground in Victoria, and there were talks about whether more could be deployed.
Victoria requests ADF support to help with coronavirus response

 

[jjenny]

Europe likely to extend ban on US travelers over coronavirus response

Looks like travel to Europe is going to be cancelled this Summer. United States citizens are not welcome anymore.

Well, of course not. Our covid is raging out of control.

 

[jjenny]

No one knows. I guess the jump on total lockdown comes from China that did not get the Wuhan virus under control until they instituted a complete lockdown, including welding non-compliers into their homes. Also, Italy began locking down the areas with the most cases piecemeal, going from Lombardy, to Northern Italy to all of Italy, for example.

The problem with total lockdown is that it is not sustainable. I think the Chinese / Japanese models make the most sense. Lockdown hot spots - just like they used to lock down areas with polio and encourage mitigation on the Japanese model:

Japanese model -

Avoid

• Confined spaces
• Crowds
• Contact (Wear a Mask, Wash your hands, Watch your distance)

Well, here in US we can't get most people to do any of it, can we? Many people want to be in confined spaces, crowds, and refuse to wear masks.

 

[ilovewings]

Palm Beach ‘Patriots’ Are Ready to Die for Their Freedom to Breathe Mask-Free

Palm Beach Patriots tell hearing why they are ready to die for their freedom to breathe mask free

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