Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #63

[Trino]

So, Florida bans alcohol at all bars. Becha it will be like Prohibition - BYOB. Why even go to a bar?

 

[beatrixpotter]

Thanks so much for explaining that! I took a break from reading here. But I need to get back on top of following things. And you are right this will drive prices through the roof. No going back to normal any time soon. :/

Now that some nations (e.g. China) are unhappy about shipping goods via water, some nations are starting to try and work out ways to use freight airplanes to go back and forth to central airports in Asia, picking up goods. This means having a place to store the goods at both ends, of course. Right now, it's all geared toward water.

Air bridges are expensive, of course. I don't know the ecological impacts. But there's only so much that can be transported via this method and other nations are lining up to arrange it with the various Asian companies. The EU may negotiate as a bloc, then once the goods are in the EU, use their regular distribution methods.

Other nations are going to have to figure out how to do this (whose planes to use, how to get them to airports without disrupting passenger traffic, possibly using air fields away from the coast, etc).

But the planes would go back and forth, just like trucks over a bridge. When I first read it, I actually thought that CEO's were talking about a physical bridge (doh). Some would be refrigerated etc.

It's not just Asia, either. This all started because China is afraid of the virus coming back in - even from nations with very low numbers of cases. The idea is that no one from those planes will be allowed out of the transport area, there will be no mixing of ordinary people with the plane people. I assume the nations will work out the logistics of testing pilots, offloading goods, etc.

Naturally, costs will go up as a result. And it will work better for nations who have something to put in the planes that go back to Asia - like Germany.

 

[oviedo]

In this country, maybe. The problem is we didn’t have an effective, national shut down that ensured people didn’t lose their homes and businesses. And government officials keep downplaying it as a result of fear over the economy. As a result, people didn’t take this seriously. And still aren’t.

If we had had a nationwide shut down for two months, and then reopened with strict policies in place for awhile, like masks when in places near others, limiting large gatherings, constant, serious government public service announcements about how having gatherings with unmasked people, close to one another, is dangerous, and how this disease is serious, we would probably be fine with reopening.

The fact is, IMO, because of the minimization of this disease, we have too many people who have treated it like a joke. And that’s the biggest issue that makes reopening problematic. If people took it seriously I believe we could reopen safely, for the most part.

But doing nothing leads to disaster. And until people realize that, we are in for a very rough ride.

Yep - even now with our rising numbers in Florida - some people still think it's just a version of the flu - until the County forces masks they won't wear them - and sometimes not even then. it's disappointing - some of the lawyers around here are heading out to lunch to dine in every single day - I stay away as best I can but jeez. it's frustrating.
JMO

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Yes, the states that followed the leadership of their governments that relied on scientific evidence vs political rhetoric (blah blah my 1st amendment rights ) are fairing very well. Our county here in a Pennsylvania just outside of Philadelphia is doing well. Our numbers of Covid cases have continued to decline. Massachusetts as well. I haven’t seen a person without a mask on inside any building since early March. Makes me proud of my neighbors.

I'm proud of my neighbors, too Very few people don't wear masks here, and they don't make a big to-do about why they're not wearing one. Our Target has a printed sign laying out the requirement, but also points out that if you have health issues, you are exempt. So, when I see someone without a mask, I just assume they have a good reason. They don't have to scream about it like narcissistic drama addicts, and I don't judge them.

When you have good rules, government that cares, and a good educational system, people are more likely to tolerate variation.

 

[beatrixpotter]

It's hard to adequately express the insane levels of guilt being put on people to attend church. I've felt it myself despite our church totally shutting down. We reopened, attended services and despite wearing masks were exposed to someone this Saturday. We aren't going back anytime soon. It just drove home how stupid it is to get sit in a room with someone else for who knows how long that could be diagnosed with COVID shortly after that.

But for many churches that have sacraments this is not something that can be replaced online. You can't participate in a liturgy or mass that way. You can't just sub communion. You can't receive absolution online.

But we are faced with people constantly deriding us for staying home at all and questioning our salvation. This is a real problem for so many people. They feel like it's a spiritual life or death choice and they have to choose to sacrifice their physical life for eternal life.

Just yesterday I was fielding articles on COVID and the AntiChrist. It wears people down. They question themselves.

Maybe she will listen if you explain that she could pass it on to you by going to church. It’s not just about her life. It’s about the lives of everyone she comes in contact with.

And please forgive me, but shouldn’t it be up to her church to make an effort to protect its congregation by making accommodations? We haven’t met in person since mid-March. Zoom works just fine, even for friends in their 90’s.

 

[jjenny]

I don’t know if anyone in any country is laughing at you. We are in Canada and our reaction varies between jaw dropping horror, grave concern, and gut wrenching sadness for you. You are, after all, our closest neighbours and what is happening is a huge shock to us. I should add that we are also adding in a few prayers that it doesn’t eventually happen here too.

What is happening to us is totally predictable. States started to open up in the middle of the shutdown, without getting virus under control. Then a lot of people in our population decided that because states are opening up, that means the virus is done for. Of course the cases were going to go up.

 

[jjenny]

It's hard to adequately express the insane levels of guilt being put on people to attend church. I've felt it myself despite our church totally shutting down. We reopened, attended services and despite wearing masks were exposed to someone this Saturday. We aren't going back anytime soon. It just drove home how stupid it is to get sit in a room with someone else for who knows how long that could be diagnosed with COVID shortly after that.

But for many churches that have sacraments this is not something that can be replaced online. You can't participate in a liturgy or mass that way. You can't just sub communion. You can't receive absolution online.

But we are faced with people constantly deriding us for staying home at all and questioning our salvation. This is a real problem for so many people. They feel like it's a spiritual life or death choice and they have to choose to sacrifice their physical life for eternal life.

Just yesterday I was fielding articles on COVID and the AntiChrist. It wears people down. They question themselves.

Attending church is quite dangerous for the reasons you described. People sitting in close proximity to each other for a long period of time. So ignore those people and stay home.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I think everyone in the world is laughing at us. Or sitting quietly in the corner, sobbing into their handkerchief. I think it is time to step away from the Internet today, so I don't join them.

Definitely not laughing, at all. We across the pond are in the same sorry boat. UK deaths have gone up slightly this week (not helped by some earlier cases being added on) but nevertheless the rates are just not going down fast enough for my liking. The beach pictures, mass gatherings and societal unrest just add to the misery and mess.

I'm sobbing into my hankie for the whole world because it's a global pandemic, a global problem and a global human tragedy.

 

[jjenny]

It worries me. In my office the windows don’t open. And I do go in there. I’m not comfortable. But I have to check the mail and meet clients.

I’ve asked the landlord to unseal the windows but he really doesn’t want to for liability reasons. But with my asthma I just want that extra protection.

If you can't get windows open, the option is to purchase a high efficiency hepa air purifier.
"If airing out the room isn’t an option, you could try using a high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA) purifier."
What You Need to Know About Air Purifiers and the Coronavirus

 

[tresir2012]

There is no comparison between an outside protest rally of masked people to an enclosed auditorium filled with mask-less screaming people. These rallies are more boisterous and louder than protesters outside.

AFAIK there have been two rallies, one with 6,000 and one with 3,000 within the last week. There is no way those are responsible for the spike in cases seen in Texas, Califirnia and Arizona IMO. If there were rallies in early June, then I have not heard about them.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Well, I have been so afraid of getting the virus and dying, leaving no one but the state to care for my grandson. It is for him that I have tried so hard to avoid germs. I only have gone to work and the store. My grandson hasn't left the house since school let out on March 13.

My Dad died yesterday, just laying out at the pool. I am picking up a rental car this afternoon and will be driving to San Francisco. I am afraid of the germs in a rental car. I'm afraid of the germs from hugs. I'm afraid of mortuary germs. I am afraid that I have no parents any more, and that I am alone (with my grandson)in this world. Sometimes I really feel that this life sucks. I feel lost, alone, and afraid.

Thanks for listening.

I'm truly sorry to hear your news @Recidivist. But please don't feel alone; this forum has been essential for the minds of many members during lockdown and there is always someone here when you want to talk/rant/sob at us. Our thoughts are with you, you can do this. Take good care and stay with us. And remember these wise words:

Everything will be ok in the end. And if it's not ok, it's not the end.

 

[MrX]

What is happening to us is totally predictable. States started to open up in the middle of the shutdown, without getting virus under control. Then a lot of people in our population decided that because states are opening up, that means the virus is done for. Of course the cases were going to go up.

Predictable, but for different reasons.

The lock up was unsustainable - economically and socially. Nobody that I hang out with thinks the virus is "done for." What we are "done with" is the idea that the only solution is to close up the world. Was heartened to see our Governor tweet about his meeting with business leaders. When a person would tweet "SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN," they would get half a dozen replies saying "WHY DON'T YOU JUST STAY HOME"

 

[CSIDreamer]

CDC updated list for severe risk

Coronavirus Disease 2019

 

[MimosaMornings]

Shes a mixed bag of anti-vaxxer and believer in the mark of the beast kind of anti-Christ theme. In other words, forcing people to wear masks in businesses is a step before forcing vaccinations and putting microchips in people for Satan. I’m serious.

 

[mickey2942]

So, Florida bans alcohol at all bars. Becha it will be like Prohibition - BYOB. Why even go to a bar?

My friends and I are doing "Friday night" at my garden. We started this a few weeks ago, more and more folks are just showing up. Lots of social distancing. We have a good time.

 

[tresir2012]

Well, I have been so afraid of getting the virus and dying, leaving no one but the state to care for my grandson. It is for him that I have tried so hard to avoid germs. I only have gone to work and the store. My grandson hasn't left the house since school let out on March 13.

My Dad died yesterday, just laying out at the pool. I am picking up a rental car this afternoon and will be driving to San Francisco. I am afraid of the germs in a rental car. I'm afraid of the germs from hugs. I'm afraid of mortuary germs. I am afraid that I have no parents any more, and that I am alone (with my grandson)in this world. Sometimes I really feel that this life sucks. I feel lost, alone, and afraid.

Thanks for listening.

Very sorry for your loss. I would imagine the rental car would be cleaned between rentals, however, as others have said, to be sure, wipe the areas like steering wheel, door handles, parking, brake, gear stick/selector etc down with antiseptic wipes. Take care on your journey and let us know of your safe arrival.

 

[beatrixpotter]

During the briefing, it was obvious that the Task Force members deliberately avoided the use of the word "mask". Reporters were unable to get officials to respond to questions about wearing masks.

How positively childish of them. How could they possibly effective address any issues and answer questions and pretend the word mask wasn't said?

 

[mickey2942]

And may I offer that not only is this excellent planning on your part but take it a step further and get your adult children's information as well - we see many parents who have to open probate not knowing their adult child has only $200 in checking, none in savings and they don't own much at all - but probate has to be opened because without a comprehensive list, the parent(s) have no idea of what they have and most banks will not speak to you unless you have Letters of Administration in hand - I've even seen parents of adult married children work together so that everyone knows everything - it's really not that difficult. List out your accounts, approximate balances, property, vehicles, safe deposit boxes, IRA/401K/investment accounts etc. Keep a copy of your insurance policies, estate plan documents (Will, Trust, Living Will, Power of Attorney, Health Care Surrogate, Pre-need guardian, etc.burial wishes, receipts if pre-paid funeral/cremation) with this list - you can use a sealed envelope and tell them where to find it. It makes it so much easier on those you leave behind. Probate can be messy enough.
JMO

Oh jeez, I just thought of something awful. I guess that I should tell my adult kids to get this stuff in order, in case they get sick. It is painful to even write this.

 

[oviedo]

Oh jeez, I just thought of something awful. I guess that I should tell my adult kids to get this stuff in order, in case they get sick. It is painful to even write this.

Yes our Florida young adults are testing positive in alarming numbers IMO

 

[beatrixpotter]

Good news.

Cuomo, de Blasio wrong to limit worship services, condone mass protests: federal judge

De Blasio had "simultaneous pro-protest/anti-religious gathering messages" when he "actively encouraged participation in protests and openly discouraged religious gatherings and threatened religious worshipers," Sharpe said in his federal order.
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He added, "This decision is an important step toward inhibiting the suddenly emerging trend of exercising absolute monarchy on [the] pretext of public health. What this kind of regime really meant in practice is freedom for me, but not for thee.”

Total uproar in my church over a national leader in the church who protested and walked in a BLM protest shoulder to shoulder with other people not wearing masks. But he was also not allowing more than a handful of people in churches, where everyone was spaced and had to be wearing mask. Rules didn't apply to him apparently.