Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #63

[Deleted member 39678]

If there are 61 in the hospital, it's likely that there are 1200 active CoVid carriers outside the hospital, of whom half are asymptomatic or have slight symptoms (easily confused with allergies). Some researchers would put the number way higher than that, but it would depend very much on the county.


Great post. San Diego must be pretty chill, because I see a lot of instant anger in California (and all over the US). Especially from the non-mask wearers who are asked to wear masks.

You can't fix stupid. And apparently educating people doesn't work all that well (although my students say that watching the below video really opened their eyes to the problem - which they said they were not taking seriously).

I still doubt that all of them will modify their behavior (although frankly, online classes are filling up fast for Fall, for obvious reasons).

...and now the video is gone, which means I have to go take it down in the class...sigh. All versions are now not public...

It's still a small number.

 

[weepingangel]

And also to conserve ppe. And staff. And equipment (ventilators!!). And to do the same in recovery/pacu/ icu areas

In some hospitals icu surge space was set up in the recovery/pacu areas
Hope we never see it like that again here.
And yah. Hospitals Can be a Good place to catch covid.

Elective surgeries weren’t postponed to make room for COVID patients. They were postponed because going to the hospital is a great way to contract this virus.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Elective surgeries weren’t postponed to make room for COVID patients. They were postponed because going to the hospital is a great way to contract this virus.

Indiana postponed elective surgeries to conserve supplies.

 

[MimosaMornings]

i dont think i will return to him for at least a month after he returns from SC--
i think he is being irresponsible and foolish--he knows most of his clients are
elderly and he chooses to travel--it just isnt the plane-- he is going to stay
with his sister-- who knows where she has been? maybe she will throw a party
while he is there--- it is all unkown but it is a risk exposure i dont want-- it is too
bad because the salonis doing all the right things

The Myrtle Beach area will be jam packed starting today and heading into the holiday weekend. A lot of places close the week of July 4th and everyone goes to the beach.
I prefer to go off season.

 

[katydid23]

These High Schoolers Organized A Graduation March Where No One Wore Masks, And Now The Community Is Divided — BuzzFeed News

“Like most other graduating classes across the country, students at Mira Costa High School in Manhattan Beach, California, weren’t allowed to hold a traditional graduation ceremony because of coronavirus restrictions. So the school held a drive-thru ceremony on June 11 in which principal Ben Dale handed out diplomas to nearly 680 students as they drove up to campus in their own cars.

But after the official celebration that promoted social distancing — graduates were given masks decorated in their school’s colors — hundreds of students took part in an unsanctioned march from Hermosa Beach to Manhattan Beach as crowds of parents gathered together to take photos, clearly violating coronavirus guidelines from the CDC and causing an uproar in the community on social media.”

If they were marching and standing outside, like the protesters, then they shouldn't be spreading the virus. Isn't that what mainstream news is telling everyone?

 

[mickey2942]

I've cut my hair myself twice now and I've done a pretty good job.

The hair cutting kit I bought has now paid for itself. Future self cuts will be money saved.

I am too. And saving quite a bit of money. Granted, it is not quite as "nuanced" as it used to be, with the perfect layers, and various frosted hues. Whatever.

So much I used to spend time and money on. Done. No pedis, manis, spa days, the gym. I can't see myself ever going back to the gym. Even for swimming. If it was an outdoor pool, I would. But not now.

 

[24Roses]

Iowa numbers today: 495-497 (IMO) new confirmed cases and no new deaths were reported today. As of 11:00 a.m., we now have 28,340 total confirmed cases of which 17,556 have recovered. 704 total have passed away. Iowa COVID-19 Information
IDPH reports 495 new COVID-19 cases in the last 24 hours

 

[CharlestonGal]

Ebola is not airborne. Also, people become infectious only after they started showing symptoms. So it was much easier to control.

We have been lucky with Ebola as it's so easy to contain. What worries me is the mutation of Ebola that gives it the ability to acquire airborne spread, such as when bubonic plaque (from fleas) gained the ability to transform to pneumonic plaque (person to person spread) and was nearly 100% fatal within a day or two.

People are surprised to learn that bubonic plaque is alive and well in many reservoir species world-wide. It's only a matter of time before we have to confront that scourge again, as well.

There is no valid reason whatsoever that humans are not ready to battle these epidemic organisms. Especially when they have the power to bring the entire world to their knees, as evidenced by the spread of SARS2.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

That’s the problem that the deniers also aren’t foreseeing.

People who refuse to wear masks, socially distance and be civic minded are making sure that local businesses and suppliers lose out while China rakes in the dough.

Because I’ve never shopped online so much in my life. But many of the things I’m buying are from Chinese companies. It’s not my choice. But it’s where a lot of on line stuff comes from. I usually realize after I get it.

That’s the deal with many people now, I’m sure. These people are the ones ruining the economy.

And almost every time I do go out I encounter these stubborn jerks who come too close and/or don’t wear masks or don’t wear them properly.

One woman came into the store, beautifully manicured, hair gorgeously and obviously recently styled. She smiled broadly at a young man who was the only other person not to have a mask. I took it to be a solidarity type thing. But I think that guy just didn’t happen to have one. It wasn’t a political statement or anything. He didn’t smile back.

She then chatted with the checker and laughed heartily. She touched the pin pad with her bare hands then casually touched her face. I was concerned because I was next in line and didn’t want to be near whatever she had exhaled.

I don’t get people like that. It’s a stubborn disdain for others, IMO. And it’s dissuading me from venturing out.

(The earlier I go, however, the better it is. I just have to get there at 7:00 and all the other “crazies” like me are there, fully masked and being careful. But many businesses aren’t open at 7:00!)

Since working from home in March, I only go out to food shop (apart from walking my dog every day). I go to one which is more expensive, but they really minimise the number of customers and there's plenty of space. Also never a queue at checkout. Here in the UK, it's still a minority who wear masks. I wore a cloth one even tho I hope to be immune, because as soon as I get inside that aircon environment I want to start coughing. Anyway, there was a couple in there today. Wow he made my skin CRAWL! In his 40s and obviously so proud of his trophy girlfriend he groped her all around the damn shop. Literally groping her in full view. Leching into her neck, grabbing her from behind, feeling up her backside. At one point they blocked the aisle full on snogging (necking?). Oh, and sniggering at me wearing my mask.

Fortunately for them, I wasnt in an unleash hell kind of mood

 

[MrX]

What did we expect? I guess exactly what happened. I agree, why are bars even opened during the pandemic? They seem to be a major source of the spread.

Because some people find being trapped, alone, at home, for extended periods of time to be a living Hell. The great thing about bars is that no one has ever been forcibly pulled from their home and dragged to one. And the reason they are being singled out is because it's "safer" than blaming churches. Look at Miami-Dade - bars there never reopened.

 

[ilovewings]

whaadayaknow--i look across the street from our house
and what do i see? i see 25 kids and some adults and a food truck--no masks-
no social distancing. ( it is a graduation party)--kids real close
to each other-- i know it is better to be outdoors, but still---'

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Elective surgeries weren’t postponed to make room for COVID patients. They were postponed because going to the hospital is a great way to contract this virus.

The fear of getting the virus at a hospital is costing lives.

Fear of COVID-19 keeping more than half of heart attack patients away from hospitals

“This is the strongest evidence yet of the collateral damage caused by the pandemic. Fear of catching the coronavirus means even people in the midst of a life-threatening heart attack are too afraid to go to hospital for life-saving treatment. There has been a lack of public reassurance that every effort has been made to provide clean hospital areas for non-COVID-19 patients,”

Hospitals Report Fewer Heart Attacks and Strokes Amid COVID-19

Like Dr. Matouk, Dr. Velazquez believes it is likely that patients are fearful of coming to the hospital and are suffering or stabilizing at home. “They may be having chest pain and deciding to live with it, and that is a problem if people are potentially dying at home or living through it but diminishing their quality of life, when all of this could have been avoided by seeking care,” he says.

Hospitals Report Fewer Heart Attacks and Strokes Amid COVID-19

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If they were marching and standing outside, like the protesters, then they shouldn't be spreading the virus. Isn't that what mainstream news is telling everyone?

Check this out. Protests are not a problem in California.

Tuolumne Lumber Jubilee Changing Name To Comply With COVID-19 Restrictions

Thursday on social media, organizers of the “Tuolumne Lumber Jubilee” announced that “In order to stay in compliance with state and local orders, this year’s event will be considered a religious/protest.” To fit that description the event’s title has been switched to “Tuolumne Lumber Protest.” The decision to make that change came after receiving a call from Tuolumne County Health Department spokesperson Michelle Jachetta earlier that day.

Tuolumne Lumber Jubilee Changing Name To Comply With COVID-19 Restrictions

 

[CharlestonGal]

Because some people find being trapped, alone, at home, for extended periods of time to be a living Hell. The great thing about bars is that no one has ever been forcibly pulled from their home and dragged to one. And the reason they are being singled out is because it's "safer" than blaming churches. Look at Miami-Dade - bars there never reopened.

The problem with bars and churches both is the seemingly irresistible need to closely interact with other people, contrary to current medical advice. Neither group seems to be able to control themselves and base urges seem to override all medical advice. It's ironic to me that both sexual and religious behavior are essentially equal in causing the same problems. Except one is a "right" (religious congregation) and one is a "nonessential gathering" (socializing in bars.). Either it's alright for people to gather and spread the virus, or it isn't. Make up your mind, America. Is it OK to gather or is it not?

 

[jjenny]

The problem with bars and churches both is the seemingly irresistible need to closely interact with other people, contrary to current medical advice. Neither group seems to be able to control themselves and base urges seem to override all medical advice. It's ironic to me that both sexual and religious behavior are essentially equal in causing the same problems. Except one is a "right" (religious congregation) and one is a "nonessential gathering" (socializing in bars.). Either it's alright for people to gather and spread the virus, or it isn't. Make up your mind, America. Is it OK to gather or is it not?

Well, I have no problem with both churches and bars closed. Churches can either do outside services (with social distances) or on-line services. And bars can just wait until virus is under control, unless they can do outdoor with social distancing (on-line bar services won't work for obvious reasons).

 

[jjenny]

Check this out. Protests are not a problem in California.

Tuolumne Lumber Jubilee Changing Name To Comply With COVID-19 Restrictions

Thursday on social media, organizers of the “Tuolumne Lumber Jubilee” announced that “In order to stay in compliance with state and local orders, this year’s event will be considered a religious/protest.” To fit that description the event’s title has been switched to “Tuolumne Lumber Protest.” The decision to make that change came after receiving a call from Tuolumne County Health Department spokesperson Michelle Jachetta earlier that day.

Tuolumne Lumber Jubilee Changing Name To Comply With COVID-19 Restrictions

If there are rules, people will figure out a way to go around them.

 

[jjenny]

Because some people find being trapped, alone, at home, for extended periods of time to be a living Hell. The great thing about bars is that no one has ever been forcibly pulled from their home and dragged to one. And the reason they are being singled out is because it's "safer" than blaming churches. Look at Miami-Dade - bars there never reopened.

I've seen plenty of articles about virus being spread at churches.

 

[10ofRods]

If they were marching and standing outside, like the protesters, then they shouldn't be spreading the virus. Isn't that what mainstream news is telling everyone?

I wouldn't know, as we no longer have cable and don't watch much news. But I'll take your word for it. Well, this prompted my DH to go look for live news from around the nation - we're watching Florida right now. Absolutely nothing about protests or condoning outdoor crowds. In Texas, the governor is focusing on indoor transmission.

However, if I could get any of my students (average age 21) to watch any news, I'd be a happy camper. And that's a key variable.

Here in L.A., L.A. Times says that some did get CoVid at the protests...I do read newspapers.

 

[MuddyTires]

JAMA: The Journal of the American Medical Association published a piece on the mortality at nursing homes in Cleveland, Detroit, and New York.

The piece (linked below) found that:

• In Cleveland, there was higher mortality at SNFs in 2020 vs 2019 (mean, 6.3 and 4.9, respectively, per 1000 residents per week during March-May), but the difference was not statistically significant (adjusted IRR, 1.02; 95% CI, 0.94-1.11).
  
• In Detroit, there was higher mortality at SNFs in 2020 vs in 2019 (mean, 7.9 and 3.5, respectively, per 1000 residents per week during March-May; adjusted IRR, 2.18; 95% CI, 2.01-2.37).
• In New York City, there was higher mortality at SNFs in 2020 vs in 2019 (mean, 13.8 vs 4.1, respectively, per 1000 residents per week during March-May; adjusted IRR, 4.13; 95% CI, 3.95-4.33).

So from March to May, the mortality rate in nursing homes was up about 25% in Cleveland, up about 100% in Detroit, and up a stunning 300% in NYC.

The governors of New York and Michigan were 2 of the 7 governors that required or pushed nursing homes to take back from hospitals, residents who had tested positive for COVID-19. The governor of Ohio did not make that same policy choice.

The attached charts are from that piece and show how awful the situation was at New York City nursing homes.



Mortality, Admissions, and Patient Census at Urban US SNFs During the COVID-19 Pandemic

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Face masks make a political statement in era of coronavirus

In the beginning I had hoped we would instead each make our own fashion statement with them. Sigh.