Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #63

[mickey2942]

I was driving around Montana today, saw zero social distancing, full bars, restaurants, stores. Hit and miss masks. Do they think that because we have low rates here, therefore, party on?!

 

[ZoriahNZ]

I'm surprised that some people make such a big deal out of the nasal swab test. Yes, it's very uncomfortable but it's over very quickly. Just a few seconds. Just like the flu shot. Compared to a routine cervical pap smear, it's nothing. MOO

That said, if a less invasive saliva only test can be just as effective in detecting the virus, then that's an awesome development.

 

[weepingangel]

A California family lost a father to coronavirus and 28 family members got infected, son says - CNN

more at link
(CNN)Southern California resident Richard Garay tested positive for coronavirus in early June, around the same time his father also got sick, he said.

About two weeks later, his father, Vidal Garay, died of Covid-19. At least 28 family members have since tested positive, Garay said. The family is grappling with grief at the same time they fight a virus that has killed more than 125,000 people nationwide.

 

[Footwarrior]

I was driving around Montana today, saw zero social distancing, full bars, restaurants, stores. Hit and miss masks. Do they think that because we have low rates here, therefore, party on?!

Montana has low rates of infection now. Exponential growth will create high infection rates in two or three weeks.

 

[ilovewings]

Because some people find being trapped, alone, at home, for extended periods of time to be a living Hell. The great thing about bars is that no one has ever been forcibly pulled from their home and dragged to one. And the reason they are being singled out is because it's "safer" than blaming churches. Look at Miami-Dade - bars there never reopened.[/QUOTE

Palm Beach Mayor just announced on CNN that beaches will be closed on 4th of July.

the beaches should be closed now--why wait?

 

[MrX]

Or we can have no bars closing and if keeping them open kills someone and ends up causing several people to endure the ICU and possibly permanent or long-term health complications, who cares, right?

Believe it, or not, but there are people that have done the math and have decided that living in the moment is worth the risk. And what exactly are you solving by closing bars? Everyone I know gave the March lock up two weeks. After that we all started congregating whenever and wherever possible. No masks, no distancing. The same thing will happen again - although next time no one is waiting two weeks. But, I know, it's never been about a solution - it's been about feeling important.

 

[10ofRods]

Singing indoors spreads it incredibly well. At the church choir practice in Washington, it spread among the members and several died.
"Following a 2.5-hour choir practice attended by 61 persons, including a symptomatic index patient, 32 confirmed and 20 probable secondary COVID-19 cases occurred (attack rate = 53.3% to 86.7%); three patients were hospitalized, and two died. Transmission was likely facilitated by close proximity (within 6 feet) during practice and augmented by the act of singing."
High SARS-CoV-2 Attack Rate Following Exposure at a Choir Practice ...

Churches are, demographically speaking, older. Viral load is one variable (enclosed space, etc) and age is associated both with susceptibility to moderate/severe symptoms. Age is also associated with getting the virus in the first place.

Until we recognize this fact fully and explain it to young people and recognize their own specific difficulties, we will remain divided on age alone.

We lost our opportunity to contain this by reopening too soon, so right now, the young are not trusting the old on health recommendations...

 

[Trino]

All we need to do is get rid of the US Constitution and the use of freedom of religion and free speech would no longer protect people going to church singing and protesters yelling which spew the virus a greet distance. JMO

I am not anti-religion, but stats now say going to a bar and going to church are equals in spreading COVID-19.

 

[MrX]

I was driving around Montana today, saw zero social distancing, full bars, restaurants, stores. Hit and miss masks. Do they think that because we have low rates here, therefore, party on?!

Montana has sounded like paradise through this - there and Wyoming. I'm jealous.

 

[tresir2012]

Isn't it just simple physics? Seat belts and airbags are there to protect you, because while travelling you are a moving object, within a moving object, and when that object is forced to come to a sudden stop due to any kind of impact (whether or not you apply the brakes if you hit a pole, or another car, or go over a cliff it's going to happen, right?), your inertia will carry you forward until you hit a stationary object yourself.

You are correct. My original post was answering one that suggested air bags and seat belts would/would not be needed because of brakes IIRC. It wasn't important to CV19 at all really

My dad owned a towing company and I remember seeing wrecked cars when I was a kid in the 60's and 70's with holes in the windshields from people's heads going through.

The steering wheels would be bent forward from the driver holding tight, trying to keep from launching into the wheel and windshield. With no belts or bags to help it was bad whether brakes were applied or not. JMO

I know. I went thru a windscreen myself. But the original post was only talking about brakes, air bags and seatbelts relationship.

 

[Tate123]

Believe it, or not, but there are people that have done the math and have decided that living in the moment is worth the risk. And what exactly are you solving by closing bars? Everyone I know gave the March lock up two weeks. After that we all started congregating whenever and wherever possible. No masks, no distancing. The same thing will happen again - although next time no one is waiting two weeks. But, I know, it's never been about a solution - it's been about feeling important.

If their choice of living in the moment was benign I might agree with you. But it's not! It has consequences and severe ones at that. They will seek help when they get sick.. exposing others they are in contact with and those that will treat them.

 

[tresir2012]

The Florida DOH reported 8,530 new COVID-19 cases Sunday, 2,152 of which came from Miami-Dade County.

The record number was also the first time Miami-Dade eclipsed 2,000 positive cases in one day. Miami-Dade County alone now has 33,714 confirmed cases and 953 deaths.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis spoke to the media today to discuss the spike, saying younger people are continuing to drive up the numbers. “You’re seeing it in those groups who are less at risk, but you’re seeing them test positive at much higher rates. I think (ages) 25 to 34 has been pretty close to 20 percent.”

The governor also noted the state’s ever-rising positivity rate, something FIU School of Medicine infectious disease expert Aileen Marty, M.D., explained is an obvious indication of increased spread.

“That tells me there’s increased transmission,” said Marty. “This virus is now spreading almost as it was before we ever instituted any other of the public health measures we implemented. And that to me is a crime.”

20% of ages 25-34 are testing positive? That's great for herd immunity purposes and as long as they dont need ICU. That percentage seems way up.

 

[jjenny]

If their choice of living in the moment was benign I might agree with you. But it's not! It has consequences and severe ones at that. They will seek help when they get sick.. exposing others they are in contact with and those that will treat them.

Exactly. And in several states, hospitals and ICUs are getting maxed out. So when a 20 year old and a 70 year old show up, and there is only one ventilator, guess who is going to get that ventilator? The young ones who are "living in the moment" -are they going to decline that ventilator or that hospital bed if their time comes?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Churches are, demographically speaking, older. Viral load is one variable (enclosed space, etc) and age is associated both with susceptibility to moderate/severe symptoms. Age is also associated with getting the virus in the first place.

Until we recognize this fact fully and explain it to young people and recognize their own specific difficulties, we will remain divided on age alone.

We lost our opportunity to contain this by reopening too soon, so right now, the young are not trusting the old on health recommendations...

Let me try and figure out what you're saying.

Older people that are gathered in enclosed spaces like a church are more vulnerable to the virus and will have more severe symptoms vs younger people congregating outside at a beach.

Therefore older people should be discouraged from attending church while younger people who meet up and gather together at a beach shouldn't worry as much and that causes a gap in understanding between the different age groups.

 

[tresir2012]

I am not anti-religion, but stats now say going to a bar and going to church are equals in spreading COVID-19.

I know which one I would prefer if I had to choose.

 

[Bravo]

Night all. Be safe and be kind.

 

[weepingangel]

a 100 person choir.
Why though? With the risks. I don’t get it.

oh wait maybe they tested them all??

Did someone say Church?I can't even and in TX?This won't turn out well! IMO
Mike Pence in Dallas: Vice president wears mask but 100-person choir sings without them - CNNPolitics

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Dr. Seheult is live Q&A right now

 

[ZoriahNZ]

I know which one I would prefer if I had to choose.

Good thing it's not a zero sum game. You can choose to not go to either.

But what about those who may potentially be hospitalized, have permanent health problems or even die, due to those being less circumspect with their actions.

It's one thing to take a risky action that may lead to bad consequences for oneself (any dangerous sport), it's quite another when it may also negatively affect - and without their consent - those who come in contact with that person. I don't think people should be giving Typhoid Mary accolades for her individualism anytime soon. JMO, your mileage may vary of course.

 

[10ofRods]

Back in March I didn't imitate people when I wore a bulky funny looking N100 mask to the grocery store even though it wasn't mandated.

Hardly anyone was wearing any kind of mask at the stores I had to go to in order to purchase food and other essentials.

Yet, you do wear a mask designed and worn by others. We do not all imitate the same things, but some people imitate leaders (in fact, among primates, that's probably the most common).

Others imitate their close family members.

Almost none of us have ever invented a singular behavior that we've never seen before. You knew about science (or are a good guesser).

But you were in fact imitating lab scientists who work with viruses - as they are the ones who first realized that to be around a virus, we needed masks.

I daresay that if political leaders and all other leaders (clergy, teachers, celebrities, etc etc) wore masks routinely, the number of people wearing masks would go up.

Now we've done that other primate thing: divide into two camps. And, apparently, invoked a more widely mammal thing: territorialism, with all that implies.